I really don't know...... that's the exact type of player we need in this organization, so I can't see why not.
- burn

The questions about his work ethic make me wonder.

What if MTL takes Galchenyuk? Think Burke will take Grigorenko?
- GuyLaDouche

I think Edmonton is definitely going to take a D-man

I think Edmonton is definitely going to take a D-man
- steve362

I have little doubt.

interesting fact:

kessel has 37 goals in only 289 shots this year compared to 32 goals in 325 year before and 30 goals in 297 shots.

good luck...
- burn

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That isn't you and Juice teaming up is it?

interesting fact:

kessel has 37 goals in only 289 shots this year compared to 32 goals in 325 year before and 30 goals in 297 shots.
- matt1337

Time to start firing more shots then. We need him to hit 45-50. Hes to soft and doesn't try enough not to.

Just want to remind the folks who were claiming Ashton as a bust....really, after 15 games?

The same fans who claim they want a real rebuild, don't even have 16 games worth of patience to let prospects develop.


- Juice

The real rebuild that many where asking for was a one that had the leafs drafting elite/high end talent like RNH/Hall/Seguin ect...

I like the Ashton trade and have no problem with Burke trading Aulie for him but i'm not counting on him being a top 6 player..

Just an example but the Leafs are desperate for a top line center and drafting a "Seguin" would have solved that issue..

There a big difference in the talent level between a "Colborne" and a "Seguin"..


Many Fans are expecting way to much from leafs prospects imo...For me i look at line of Kadri/Colborne/Ashton as being a solid 3rd line down the road..

Am i undervaluing there potential or being more realistic of what they are/will become???..

The real rebuild that many where asking for was a one that had the leafs drafting elite/high end talent like RNH/Hall/Seguin ect...

I like the Ashton trade and have no problem with Burke trading Aulie for him but i'm not counting on him being a top 6 player..

Just an example but the Leafs are desperate for a top line center and drafting a "Seguin" would have solved that issue..

There a big difference in the talent level between a "Colborne" and a "Seguin"..


Many Fans are expecting way to much from leafs prospects imo...For me i look at line of Kadri/Colborne/Ashton as being a solid 3rd line down the road..

Am i undervaluing there potential or being more realistic of what they are/will become???..
- Fruitcakenipple

3rd line sounds about right. Frattin could probably be a decent 2nd liner. Gardiner looks to be on his way to a top 2 dman. We have some pieces but nothing top level. Excluding Gardiner hopefully.

The real rebuild that many where asking for was a one that had the leafs drafting elite/high end talent like RNH/Hall/Seguin ect...

I like the Ashton trade and have no problem with Burke trading Aulie for him but i'm not counting on him being a top 6 player..

Just an example but the Leafs are desperate for a top line center and drafting a "Seguin" would have solved that issue..

There a big difference in the talent level between a "Colborne" and a "Seguin"..


Many Fans are expecting way to much from leafs prospects imo...For me i look at line of Kadri/Colborne/Ashton as being a solid 3rd line down the road..

Am i undervaluing there potential or being more realistic of what they are/will become???..
- Fruitcakenipple

i think your undervaluing kadri but colborne and ashton have potential to be 2nd line guys at most, so 3rd line isnt bad for them. that line should look like Ashton/Colborne/Ross (who also has 2nd line potential)

So what you are saying is that the same people preaching a rebuild through the draft can't sit tight for more than 15 games without labeling a bust?
- burn

Insert FedEx commercial Witt the guy tattooing his own back "that's exactly what I'm saying!"

took thornton 29 games to get his first goal. i hate the fans who want a rebuild yet call all our prospects a bust. look how long it took gardiner to get his first goal this year and now he has 7 and 23 assists. hopefully he has a long run with the marlies in the playoffs and gains more confidence
- matt1337

Yup, Gardiner can progress as slowly or as fast as he wants as far as I'm concerned, whatever it takes to get him to his potential is how long it should take.

Same with Schenn, he's not going to be what people think he should be until he's about 26-28...many more years of complaining that he's a failure for those folks...

Yeah an undefeated team isn't going to make the playoffs. You must watch a lot of sports.
- weirdoh

tigers too,

The real rebuild that many where asking for was a one that had the leafs drafting elite/high end talent like RNH/Hall/Seguin ect...

I like the Ashton trade and have no problem with Burke trading Aulie for him but i'm not counting on him being a top 6 player..

Just an example but the Leafs are desperate for a top line center and drafting a "Seguin" would have solved that issue..

There a big difference in the talent level between a "Colborne" and a "Seguin"..


Many Fans are expecting way to much from leafs prospects imo...For me i look at line of Kadri/Colborne/Ashton as being a solid 3rd line down the road..

Am i undervaluing there potential or being more realistic of what they are/will become???..
- Fruitcakenipple

I think you're playing it safe and nothing more. You're setting your expectations low and hoping to be proven wrong.

Sound about right?

I think you're playing it safe and nothing more. You're setting your expectations low and hoping to be proven wrong.

Sound about right?
- Juice

Its never a bad idea. I know I didn't get overly excited about Eberle and that's turned out ok...

our only prospect with 1st line potential is Kadri (don't see him hitting that potential though, will probably be a 2nd liner at best)

Colborne at best could be a 2nd line center but will probably be 3rd line for first 3-4 years and maybe bump grabo

Ashton will be a 3rd liner who will fill in on 2nd line for injuries (most of our prospects are like this, dont think they'd miss a beat playing 2nd line for 10-15 games but probably wouldn't be a good idea to keep them 2nd line)

Ross at best, 2nd line winger (like tucker was) but i see more biggs playing in the 2nd line role (his big frame will allow kadri to have more room and more time with the puck)

McKegg to me is the dark horse of the group. i think if he can get chemistry with guys on the top line i could see him doing a better job as a #1C then bozak has. I'm excited to see what happens with McKegg as to me, it seems like anything can happen with him.

Blacker top 4 dman, Percy top 4

Yup, Gardiner can progress as slowly or as fast as he wants as far as I'm concerned, whatever it takes to get him to his potential is how long it should take.

Same with Schenn, he's not going to be what people think he should be until he's about 26-28...many more years of complaining that he's a failure for those folks...
- Juice

that's true. i see down the line in 3 years a 1-2 of gardiner and schenn (our version of Niedermayer and Stevens, obviously not as good though)

I think that schenn and even to an extent komisarek will come into better form under carlyle's system then under wilson's. wilson's system got defencemen out of position and made look weak and with shutdown defencemen cofidence is everything.

I think that schenn and even to an extent komisarek will come into better form under carlyle's system then under wilson's. wilson's system got defencemen out of position and made look weak and with shutdown defencemen cofidence is everything.
- jimib

Well that's good news!

I think you're playing it safe and nothing more. You're setting your expectations low and hoping to be proven wrong.

Sound about right?
- Juice

I dont view it as playing it safe , i believe it to be a more realistic view of what this teams has in its talent pool at this point...I'm not calling them bust.....

I think that schenn and even to an extent komisarek will come into better form under carlyle's system then under wilson's. wilson's system got defencemen out of position and made look weak and with shutdown defencemen cofidence is everything.
- jimib

There is zero evidence that would suggest Komisarek will improve on this poop show of a contract he's had in Toronto.

Frig, lets just hope Anaheim beat Calgary at 4:30.
- wendel13

I'm going to the game, Go Flames Go!

I dont view it as playing it safe , i believe it to be a more realistic view of what this teams has in its talent pool at this point...I'm not calling them bust.....
- Fruitcakenipple

Didn't mean it in a bad way....just not setting your expectations too high.

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That isn't you and Juice teaming up is it?
- nbboy

no.

The real rebuild that many where asking for was a one that had the leafs drafting elite/high end talent like RNH/Hall/Seguin ect...

I like the Ashton trade and have no problem with Burke trading Aulie for him but i'm not counting on him being a top 6 player..

Just an example but the Leafs are desperate for a top line center and drafting a "Seguin" would have solved that issue..

There a big difference in the talent level between a "Colborne" and a "Seguin"..


Many Fans are expecting way to much from leafs prospects imo...For me i look at line of Kadri/Colborne/Ashton as being a solid 3rd line down the road..

Am i undervaluing there potential or being more realistic of what they are/will become???..
- Fruitcakenipple

as I said before that has no relevance to this..... If they can't want more than 15 games for a guy then it doesn't matter what rebuild it is. There is no patience.

Holy Crap, do those Leafs suck!