Im sorry.. I thought diving was a penalty. Silly me.
- jak521

Crosby didn't dive. Hooking is also a penalty. Is it called every single time? Ever see a player get away with a hooking penatly, or any other type of penalty? If hooking is a penalty, why do players do it? And does a player hooking another player disgrace the sanctity and honor of the game?

- jak521

Crosby didn't dive. Hooking is also a penalty. Is it called every single time? Ever see a player get away with a hooking penatly, or any other type of penalty? If hooking is a penalty, why do players do it? And does a player hooking another player disgrace the sanctity and honor of the game?
- MJL

odd that you dont see a difference between the two. hooking - as are most penatlies - is usually committed in an effort to try to stop your opponent from scoring.

embelishment is meant to deceive the referees.

and any penalty that is offically called "unsportsmanlike conduct" i'd say does kind of factor into the honor of the game (at least more than hooking does)

Crosby didn't dive. Hooking is also a penalty. Is it called every single time? Ever see a player get away with a hooking penatly, or any other type of penalty? If hooking is a penalty, why do players do it? And does a player hooking another player disgrace the sanctity and honor of the game?
- MJL

Is hooking called "unsportsmanlike hooking"?

The reason they call that a penalty (diving) is because its makes the refs job tougher to do. Its a dishonest play that has nothing to do with the actual game. Hooking and Diving arent even comparable IMO.

odd that you dont see a difference between the two. hooking - as are most penatlies - is usually committed in an effort to try to stop your opponent from scoring.

embelishment is meant to deceive the referees.

and any penalty that is offically called "unsportsmanlike conduct" i'd say does kind of factor into the honor of the game (at least more than hooking does)
- Crimsoninja

Bravo!

My issue with the icing call is that the closer linesman-the same one that blew the offsides call on the Briere goal-waived it off after Coburn had passed him. Coburn had no idea it was waved off, because the linesman was behind him and he was about five feet from the end boards.

Waiting that long to wave an icing off opens the door to issues.

The other aspect is, while the Pens themselves have dismissed the off sides call, the media hasn't and the NHL is apologizing for it. Kind of hard not to get a little defensive when you have national media AND the league stirring the pot and ignoring a questionable call the other way.
- Jsaquella

The Goalie is supposed to be communicating to the defenseman what the linesman is signaling.

odd that you dont see a difference between the two. hooking - as are most penatlies - is usually committed in an effort to try to stop your opponent from scoring.

embelishment is meant to deceive the referees.

and any penalty that is offically called "unsportsmanlike conduct" i'd say does kind of factor into the honor of the game (at least more than hooking does)
- Crimsoninja

statement post

odd that you dont see a difference between the two. hooking - as are most penatlies - is usually committed in an effort to try to stop your opponent from scoring.

embelishment is meant to deceive the referees.

and any penalty that is offically called "unsportsmanlike conduct" i'd say does kind of factor into the honor of the game (at least more than hooking does)
- Crimsoninja

STATEMENT GAME er I mean POST

The Goalie is supposed to be communicating to the defenseman what the linesman is signaling.
- MJL

So when a ref is at the blue line and a race for the puck is underway.. you want the goalie looking down ice at the linesman? Ok...

Its different if the call icing isnt waived off last minute.. or there isnt a race. I want my goalie in position and expecting the worst... our player losing the race and the puck being spit out toward the net.

odd that you dont see a difference between the two. hooking - as are most penatlies - is usually committed in an effort to try to stop your opponent from scoring.

embelishment is meant to deceive the referees.

and any penalty that is offically called "unsportsmanlike conduct" i'd say does kind of factor into the honor of the game (at least more than hooking does)
- Crimsoninja

Coach Reid is rubbing off on you.

What I noticed was, whenever the Flyers got the puck in the defensive zone, the goal was to get to the red line and dump. It was way too easy for Pittsburgh to retrieve the puck and head back up ice. When they did try for sustained pressure in the offensive zone, Pittsburgh isolating the puck carrier, and won the physical battles to force a turn-over and head down ice.

I think to start the game, we need more puck support for the Flyers puck carrier, and to not be happy with dumping it in unless you have 2 guys already heading in on the forecheck. Much like they did in period 2 and 3 and OT last game.
- RooNosHockey

Getting the puck deep behind the goal line consistently is why the Flyers won the game. Flyers over the course of the game were the better team on puck battles down low. When the Flyers were turning the puck over too much, is when the Pens had the advantage. Dumping the puck deep and establishing the forecheck is the key to the game and the Series for the Flyers.

The Goalie is supposed to be communicating to the defenseman what the linesman is signaling.
- MJL

And the linesman is supposed to be in position to make a call on the icing. It was a close play, Adams and Coburn were right with each other, and the linesman should have been near the goal line to make the call, not in the face-off circle.

But that's just being technical.

Embellishing to draw a penalty call doesn't in any way disgrace the dignity, honor and sanctity of the game. It's part of the game. When a player takes his time and indirect line to get back to a puck on an icing call, does that do the same? It happens religiously, in every sport. It's been way overblown, especially when it comes to Crosby.
- MJL

I disagree, big time. Hockey is not every other sport. I love this game, because there is more honor and dignity then any other sport. Not only does diving and embellishing hurt that, but it also hurts the game itself.

I hate it when Crosby does it, I hate it when Briere does it, I hated it when Recchi does it. It's cheating plain and simple. It is difficult for a Ref to call this in game, but if its obvious, I would make it a suspendable offense.

I wonder how many calories you'd consume in one sitting by eating the whole thing?

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And the linesman is supposed to be in position to make a call on the icing. It was a close play, Adams and Coburn were right with each other, and the linesman should have been near the goal line to make the call, not in the face-off circle.

But that's just being technical.
- Jsaquella

I actually like the fact the refs allowed both teams to play the other night. Some calls were missed on both sides but I didnt feel that the refs caused the outcome of the game one way or another.

I actually like the fact the refs allowed both teams to play the other night. Some calls were missed on both sides but I didnt feel that the refs caused the outcome of the game one way or another.
- stveshdy

There were 2 glaring mistakes that cancelled each other out... aside from that I had very little problem with the way it was called.

odd that you dont see a difference between the two. hooking - as are most penatlies - is usually committed in an effort to try to stop your opponent from scoring.

embelishment is meant to deceive the referees.

and any penalty that is offically called "unsportsmanlike conduct" i'd say does kind of factor into the honor of the game (at least more than hooking does)
- Crimsoninja

I don't see it that way. Embellishment is way of trying to draw a penalty, and get a PP. You want a PP to try and score a goal, correct? Cheating and bending the rules goes on all the time. In many different manners. How many times have we read Flyers fans suggest getting in the crease and bumping the Goalie? Or any other manner of bending the rules? So were going to pick and choose what's honorable and what's not, just because it's the Pens and Crosby? Competing is competing.

There were 2 glaring mistakes that cancelled each other out... aside from that I had very little problem with the way it was called.
- jak521

Agreed.

odd that you dont see a difference between the two. hooking - as are most penatlies - is usually committed in an effort to try to stop your opponent from scoring.

embelishment is meant to deceive the referees.

and any penalty that is offically called "unsportsmanlike conduct" i'd say does kind of factor into the honor of the game (at least more than hooking does)
- Crimsoninja

So when a ref is at the blue line and a race for the puck is underway.. you want the goalie looking down ice at the linesman? Ok...

Its different if the call icing isnt waived off last minute.. or there isnt a race. I want my goalie in position and expecting the worst... our player losing the race and the puck being spit out toward the net.
- jak521

It only takes a glance for the Goalie to see what the linesman is signaling. A Goalie can do that and also be in position to have to make a save. It's a fundamental of Hockey and part of the communication on the ice.

I disagree, big time. Hockey is not every other sport. I love this game, because there is more honor and dignity then any other sport. Not only does diving and embellishing hurt that, but it also hurts the game itself.

I hate it when Crosby does it, I hate it when Briere does it, I hated it when Recchi does it. It's cheating plain and simple. It is difficult for a Ref to call this in game, but if its obvious, I would make it a suspendable offense.
- RooNosHockey

It doesn't hurt the game at all. It's part of the game, and has been going on forever. And it goes on in every sport. I don't have a problem with it. I hope the Flyers do it and get away with it.

Getting the puck deep behind the goal line consistently is why the Flyers won the game. Flyers over the course of the game were the better team on puck battles down low. When the Flyers were turning the puck over too much, is when the Pens had the advantage. Dumping the puck deep and establishing the forecheck is the key to the game and the Series for the Flyers.
- MJL

Yes, and if you read back you would see that is exactly what I want them to do from the start, instead of trying to "weather" a storm. To me that means playing cautiously and is what they did in the first period last game, I dont want them to do that this game.

Is hooking called "unsportsmanlike hooking"?

The reason they call that a penalty (diving) is because its makes the refs job tougher to do. Its a dishonest play that has nothing to do with the actual game. Hooking and Diving arent even comparable IMO.
- jak521

And a player grabbing a players stick to try and draw a hooking penatly makes the refs job tougher to do. It's absolutely part of the game and has been forever. It's all the same. And players do it all the time. Even the Flyers.

I don't see it that way. Embellishment is way of trying to draw a penalty, and get a PP. You want a PP to try and score a goal, correct? Cheating and bending the rules goes on all the time. In many different manners. How many times have we read Flyers fans suggest getting in the crease and bumping the Goalie? Or any other manner of bending the rules? So were going to pick and choose what's honorable and what's not, just because it's the Pens and Crosby? Competing is competing.
- MJL

the NHL has already done the picking and choosing on what's considered honorable or not, hence the term unsportsmanlike

I don't see it that way. Embellishment is way of trying to draw a penalty, and get a PP. You want a PP to try and score a goal, correct? Cheating and bending the rules goes on all the time. In many different manners. How many times have we read Flyers fans suggest getting in the crease and bumping the Goalie? Or any other manner of bending the rules? So were going to pick and choose what's honorable and what's not, just because it's the Pens and Crosby? Competing is competing.
- MJL

you're the one who began comparing the two calls, sir. and again, i find it very odd that you do not see a difference between them.

and as for the bolded, not sure how you got that from my post.
my Crosby admiration is well documented. i just dont care to see any player - on any team - embellish.