There were 2 glaring mistakes that cancelled each other out... aside from that I had very little problem with the way it was called.
- jak521

Agreed.

It doesn't hurt the game at all. It's part of the game, and has been going on forever. And it goes on in every sport. I don't have a problem with it. I hope the Flyers do it and get away with it.
- MJL

I understand why Crosby does it. My only "beef" with it is that he does it more than one occasion in a single game. The best player in the world will get the calls thats the way it is whether he embellishes it or not. My problem is call him for it and dont let him get away with it because of who he is.

the NHL has already done the picking and choosing on what's considered honorable or not, hence the term unsportsmanlike
- Don'tForgetTocchet

And a player grabbing a players stick to try and draw a hooking penatly makes the refs job tougher to do. It's absolutely part of the game and has been forever. It's all the same. And players do it all the time. Even the Flyers.
- MJL

If you do something in an attempt to draw a call.. where it is diving, grabbing a stick to make it look like a hold (although it can be called holding the stick ), or faking an injury and in the ref's mind it is glaring enough... it should be called. It takes away from the game IMO. It also bothers the players.

the NHL has already done the picking and choosing on what's considered honorable or not, hence the term unsportsmanlike
- Don'tForgetTocchet

No, not really. All the penalties in the NHL rule book are considered violations of the rules. How about slashing, is that hinorable? Or slew footing? Is that honorable? Or elbowing? Is it sportsmanlike to elbow a player intentionally?

If you do something in an attempt to draw a call.. where it is diving, grabbing a stick to make it look like a hold (although it can be called holding the stick ), or faking an injury... it should be called. It takes away from the game IMO. It also bothers the players.
- jak521

I agree, it should be called. It's against the rules.

I don't see it that way. Embellishment is way of trying to draw a penalty, and get a PP. You want a PP to try and score a goal, correct? Cheating and bending the rules goes on all the time. In many different manners. How many times have we read Flyers fans suggest getting in the crease and bumping the Goalie? Or any other manner of bending the rules? So were going to pick and choose what's honorable and what's not, just because it's the Pens and Crosby? Competing is competing.
- MJL

District Five Peewee Hockey Team: Take the fall! Act hurt! Get indignant!

you're the one who began comparing the two calls, sir. and again, i find it very odd that you do not see a difference between them.

and as for the bolded, not sure how you got that from my post.
my Crosby admiration is well documented. i just dont care to see any player - on any team - embellish.
- Crimsoninja

That was a general statement not made to single you out. Sorry for the confusion. I did compare them. Because it's all breaking or bending the rules to try and gain an advantage. It's all the same.

No, not really. All the penalties in the NHL rule book are considered violations of the rules. How about slashing, is that hinorable? Or slew footing? Is that honorable? Or elbowing? Is it sportsmanlike to elbow a player intentionally?
- MJL

They all depend. Slashing to break up a play is different from slashing to let a guy know your disapproval is different than slashing with intent to injure.

Elbowing a guy intentionally is absolutely unsporsmanlike.. hence suspension being handed out regularly. Slew footing just the same. The difference is that diving is way to deceive the refs..

I understand why Crosby does it. My only "beef" with it is that he does it more than one occasion in a single game. The best player in the world will get the calls thats the way it is whether he embellishes it or not. My problem is call him for it and dont let him get away with it because of who he is.
- stveshdy

We know that star players get calls. It happens. Whether it should or not.

I understand why Crosby does it. My only "beef" with it is that he does it more than one occasion in a single game. The best player in the world will get the calls thats the way it is whether he embellishes it or not. My problem is call him for it and dont let him get away with it because of who he is.
- stveshdy

This reminds me of Lindros and LeClair. Remember all the hooking and grabbing they went through... If they went down, it would have been a penality, but they never did... They powered through it and thats what made them stars and my heroes to me.

That was a general statement not made to single you out. Sorry for the confusion. I did compare them. Because it's all breaking or bending the rules to try and gain an advantage. It's all the same.
- MJL

Why are people suspended then? Is it not to keep the gentlemanly conduct in the game and the unsportsmanlike conduct out?

They all depend. Slashing to break up a play is different from slashing to let a guy know your disapproval is different than slashing with intent to injure.

Elbowing a guy intentionally is absolutely unsporsmanlike.. hence suspension being handed out regularly. Slew footing just the same. The difference is that diving is way to deceive the refs..
- jak521

It happens all over the ice. A player should be trying to deceive the refs, to gain an advantage. It happens in numerous ways.

No, not really. All the penalties in the NHL rule book are considered violations of the rules. How about slashing, is that hinorable? Or slew footing? Is that honorable? Or elbowing? Is it sportsmanlike to elbow a player intentionally?
- MJL

imo most of the physical fouls would be considered by most players and fans to be under the umbrella of unsportsmanlike, and then they have the generic unsportsmanlike to cover the ones not already itemized like kneeing elbowing etc

i think we'll never agree here, i'd hate to see the sense of honor taken out of the game

Let's talk off season moves........

Why are people suspended then? Is it not to keep the gentlemanly conduct in the game and the unsportsmanlike conduct out?
- jak521

For the same reason that players get penalties. Because they break the rules.

This reminds me of Lindros and LeClair. Remember all the hooking and grabbing they went through... If they went down, it would have been a penality, but they never did... They powered through it and thats what made them stars and my heroes to me.
- RooNosHockey

Its why I love Giroux. The guy is small.. and he gets hacked, whacked, hit and hugged.. but you dont see him going all "oohh ive been hit by a .50 cal" on us.

imo most of the physical fouls would be considered by most players and fans to be under the umbrella of unsportsmanlike, and then they have the generic unsportsmanlike to cover the ones not already itemized like kneeing elbowing etc

i think we'll never agree here, i'd hate to see the sense of honor taken out of the game
- Don'tForgetTocchet

I agree with your first paragraph.

Let's talk off season moves........
- hockeylover

i wonder if we'll wish they got voracek extended before he blows up in the playoffs

Remind me.. who had 3 power plays and who had one?
- jak521

Yes, because ALL games should have an equal number of powerplays for each team, regardless of the number of actual infractions.

Holy poop.

For the same reason that players get penalties. Because they break the rules.
- MJL

So simple a concept. eh?

So hooking should be a suspendable offense huh? Its a penalty.

People get suspended because they not only break the rules, but they take it to a level that is unsportsmanlike. If it was just a run of the mill elbow.. a guy wouldnt get suspended.

Yes, because ALL games should have an equal number of powerplays for each team, regardless of the number of actual infractions.
- Emperor Filonius

Not what I am saying. My point is that there is never an absolute level of equal calls. Each team will catch numerous breaks, as well as have to face bad calls.

Do you think the Flyers committed only 3 penalties? Do you think the Pens committed only 1?

Get my gist?

Holy poop.

- BringBack25

I understand why Butsy and crew left.

I am done with such a trivial topic. I dont like diving and Ill leave it at that.

So simple a concept. eh?

So hooking should be a suspendable offense huh? Its a penalty.

People get suspended because they not only break the rules, but they take it to a level that is unsportsmanlike. If it was just a run of the mill elbow.. a guy wouldnt get suspended.
- jak521

No, a player can be suspended for an unintentional play such as a check that went wrong. Many of the suspensions handed out by Shanahan have addressed whether it was intentional or not, or whether there was intent to injure or not, a player can still be held responsible. If a hit is an accident, how can it be dishonorable?