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JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:10 PM ET
Neal's two hearings will be phone. Asham's will be an in person hearing.
- Jsaquella

Leads me to believe they are hitting Asham off with more games. Neal was more offensive in what he did in my opinion. Would rather Neal get more suspension time and not because he's more important to the pens but what he did was more abrasive. He went out of his way to injure two different players. At least asham was responding to what he thought was a dirty hit even if he responded dirty I can accept it more.
vipeviper
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Lafayette, IN
Joined: 04.02.2012

Apr 16 @ 12:11 PM ET
Neal's two hearings will be phone. Asham's will be an in person hearing.
- Jsaquella



Where did you hear this? NHL.com just published one about it and it doesn't say. I'm just trying to find an article or something that says it.
FrankDrebbin
Location: PA
Joined: 02.27.2012

Apr 16 @ 12:11 PM ET
Whats the Shanban predictions? I say Asham gets 10 games. Neal gets a fine and a game maybe 2
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 16 @ 12:13 PM ET
you're absolutely right. asham acted on his own in that instance. however the leadership element of his team, imo, strongly encourages that type of behavior. it was also a heat of the moment act by asham
- flyerscup2011


So, when the Flyers had 5 or 6 guys suspended in 2007-08, it was the team leadership's fault?

The first two games were pretty clean affairs. Neither team really did anything too bad in the games in Pittsburgh.

Yesterday, the Pens got frustrated. That happens, and sometimes it leads to dirty play. The Flyers have been guilty of it in the past and so has every other team in the NHL.

You want to blame Pens' leadership, it starts with Lemieux. He did the same sort of things Crosby does now. He was an amazing player, perhaps the most naturally gifted one of all time. But he was-and remains-a very thin skinned guy.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:13 PM ET
Whats the Shanban predictions? I say Asham gets 10 games. Neal gets a fine and a game maybe 2
- FrankDrebbin

I would rather switch the sanctions you have predicted. Like I said above I think what Neal did was worse.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 16 @ 12:15 PM ET
Where did you hear this? NHL.com just published one about it and it doesn't say. I'm just trying to find an article or something that says it.
- vipeviper


It was tweeted first by Nick Kypreos, and then by other NHL writers.

Neal's hearings will be simultaneously at 10 am(not two calls, but two hearings, likely to make sure both incidents will be on his jacket) and Asham will be an in person hearing at 11am
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 16 @ 12:15 PM ET
ye
- OrangeBlack27

lets take this to PMs
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 16 @ 12:16 PM ET
Leads me to believe they are hitting Asham off with more games. Neal was more offensive in what he did in my opinion. Would rather Neal get more suspension time and not because he's more important to the pens but what he did was more abrasive. He went out of his way to injure two different players. At least asham was responding to what he thought was a dirty hit even if he responded dirty I can accept it more.
- JoeRussomanno


I'd be amazed if Asham didn't at least get the balance of this series. He could get the Matt Cooke ban, which would be the rest of the playoffs, plus games next season.

I'm more livid at Neal, because I know that Asham has that dirty side to him. Neal doesn't have that kind of rep.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 16 @ 12:19 PM ET
Leads me to believe they are hitting Asham off with more games. Neal was more offensive in what he did in my opinion. Would rather Neal get more suspension time and not because he's more important to the pens but what he did was more abrasive. He went out of his way to injure two different players. At least asham was responding to what he thought was a dirty hit even if he responded dirty I can accept it more.
- JoeRussomanno



two players who are playing a dominant role in the series no less
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 16 @ 12:19 PM ET
Crosby is an ambassador for the game. He is a role model to thousands of kids. He is the face of the sport. The C on his chest is supposed to signify leadership and a voice of reason in times of adversity. What he did yesterday was absolutely a disgrace to the game.
- hereticpride

Absolutely. He's a punk. Enough said
FrankDrebbin
Location: PA
Joined: 02.27.2012

Apr 16 @ 12:20 PM ET
I would rather switch the sanctions you have predicted. Like I said above I think what Neal did was worse.
- JoeRussomanno


I agree but just trying to get in Shanahans head
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:21 PM ET
This two days off before games crap gotta go.....but im really curious for the sens rags game tonight
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:21 PM ET
It was tweeted first by Nick Kypreos, and then by other NHL writers.

Neal's hearings will be simultaneously at 10 am(not two calls, but two hearings, likely to make sure both incidents will be on his jacket) and Asham will be an in person hearing at 11am

- Jsaquella

Gotta say I was a total anti twitter person but man that thing is great for getting breaking news and stuff.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:22 PM ET
If the Pens followed Crosby's lead, they would have swatted away gloves after scrums and hid behind the linesmen.

Asham's hit on Schenn was in response to Schenn's big hit on Niskanen(Pretty sure it was Niskanen). Neal's hit on Couturier probably had more to do with Couturier's early hit on him and the later hit on Giroux was probably based in frustration.

Guys are responsible for their own actions. Blaming Crosby for the hits from Asham and Neal is like blaming Bobby Clarke for Dave Schultz pulling Dale Rolfe's hair in 1974.

- Jsaquella


I was agreeing that Crosby isnt responcible for those guys actions, but it is his responcibility that the team plays within the rules. He went about it the wrong way. A captain shouldn't act like that.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:23 PM ET
I was agreeing that Crosby isnt responcible for those guys actions, but it is his responcibility that the team plays within the rules. He went about it the wrong way. A captain shouldn't act like that.
- RooNosHockey

The captain definitely set the tone for that team that's for sure.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:23 PM ET
So who else thinks Sid loses the C next season? That lockerroom is obviously a mess.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 16 @ 12:24 PM ET
Gotta say I was a total anti twitter person but man that thing is great for getting breaking news and stuff.
- JoeRussomanno


It's fantastic. Even has an ignore feature
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 16 @ 12:24 PM ET
So who else thinks Sid loses the C next season? That lockerroom is obviously a mess.
- hereticpride


JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
It's fantastic. Even has an ignore feature
- Jsaquella

yea it's a change of pace from certain forums
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 16 @ 12:27 PM ET

- bradleyc4

not to mention when this came up this year, the players taped Cs onto their practice jerseys as a show of solidarity. and their playoff t-shirts are replicas of that.

FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Apr 16 @ 12:27 PM ET
So who else thinks Sid loses the C next season? That lockerroom is obviously a mess.
- hereticpride


cooke is the only one who isnt a thug. he should wear it next year, imo
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 16 @ 12:29 PM ET
really would be so fascinating to see the reactions if somehow crosby was traded here

i think people would spontaneously implode.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 16 @ 12:29 PM ET
I was agreeing that Crosby isnt responcible for those guys actions, but it is his responcibility that the team plays within the rules. He went about it the wrong way. A captain shouldn't act like that.
- RooNosHockey


Actually, it's ultimately the coach's job to make sure the team plays within the rules.

I hate to bring it up, but yesterday's game, while wild, was hardly an embarrassment to the NHL or even close to being one of the most vicious games in it's history.

During the 1980's, yesterday's game happened three times a week. Five times a week in the playoffs. It's not a disgrace or a travesty, it's a game that got a bit out of hand.

The embarrassing thing is, that the NHL and the Penguins, generally hold themselves up as some kind of shining beacon of fair play and clean, but physical hockey. That particular PR spin died and was buried yesterday afternoon.

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 12:29 PM ET
Gotta say Jagr is quietly having a good series all things considered.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 16 @ 12:30 PM ET
really would be so fascinating to see the reactions if somehow crosby was traded here

i think people would spontaneously implode.

- Crimsoninja


I'd still take him on my team in a heartbeat.
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