There is no room in the league for this garbage. I've seen Torres do this to several players and he hasn't learned. Shanny should take him out of the playoffs without pay.
The real shame is that Torres is a good player when he's clean and shows emotion and energy but he blows this image when he hits like that.
Congrats to the rest of the Coyotes and their fans on the big win. Hopefully the Hawks rally around the Torres effect and come back strong. Hope to see a good, clean match with game 4.
It was right there when Shanahan lost his credibility within the league. No one cares. It's now a horrible balance of risk and reward.... if Torres gets 4 games, but Hossa is out for the series... who wins?
I heard a great solution to this weeks ago and wish someone at the NHL took notice.... What you do is cost out any players suspension.... and add that to the cap space of the victim team the following year and reduce the offending team by the same ratio.... then finally the victimized team would truly get something and the perpetrator team would lose out.... I mean, honestly..... did Chicago suffer even a little bit for Keith's 5 games suspension?
No. And the Canucks gained nothing.
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Except maybe the hockey Gods will need to only give this less than 5 games of be seen as too inconsistent if Keith was only worth 5.
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How Torres was allowed to finish the game, ala Keith, is mindnumbing. - Beatle_john
Shanny just rolls the dice and whatever number pops up that is it. He only uses one dice so the max is 6 games. That explains the inconsistency.
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Apr 18 @ 3:46 AM ET
Shanny just rolls the dice and whatever number pops up that is it. He only uses one dice so the max is 6 games. That explains the inconsistency. - flyerdude17
There is no room in the league for this garbage. I've seen Torres do this to several players and he hasn't learned. Shanny should take him out of the playoffs without pay.
The real shame is that Torres is a good player when he's clean and shows emotion and energy but he blows this image when he hits like that.
Congrats to the rest of the Coyotes and their fans on the big win. Hopefully the Hawks rally around the Torres effect and come back strong. Hope to see a good, clean match with game 4. - dnano27
Torres is just a rugged dude and he does not pick and choose his hits, he takes every hit he can and whoever it is unlike guys like Brian Boyle who goes after 160 pound star players. Torres hits hard but is not a head hunter like Cooke. I can see 29 other teams hating him but that makes him a valuable asset to his team. I am not a Coyotes fan but more power to them. I love the way they have been playing. Chicago and their whiny fans with the bad attitude are getting what they deserve. Hope Hossa is back soon as he is a super star but the hit was just a punishing hockey hit.
When did laying out a hard hit become so illegal that it warrants a 15 game suspension? I advocated this same thing last year in the SCF with Rome on Horton. Was the hit late? Maybe by a fraction of a second. Did Torres leave his feet? Arguable, depending on the angle you watch it from. From a couple angles it just looks like the impact lifts him up. I would hardly say that he "launches" himself at Hossa.
This is where the NHL needs to smarten up. They can't suspend players based on injury. The suspension has to be the result of the hit itself. If Hossa had got up and skated away unaffected, would anyone be crying this much foul? I think not. When I look at Rome's hit on Horton, Brown's hit on H. Sedin and now Torres' hit on Hossa, I see the same things. The hits are a split second late, but not worth any suplemental discipline; a minor penalty would have sufficed.
You can't take Torres out of the game because he hits harder than nearly everyone else. As someone already pointed out, he's not a headhunter like Cooke. He just finishes his checks with ridiculous strength and power.
I hate to see Hossa go down like he did, but I don't feel as though Torres deserves to have his entire post-season taken away because of this hit. Keith's elbow on Daniel Sedin is the worst hit I've seen in a long, long time and that warranted 5 regular season games in Shanny's world. If Torres gets anything even remotely close to that, there's something seriously wrong.
his "feet left the ice" and "made contact with the head" only because those facking morons at TSN said so.
Don Cherry got one thing right the other night. those "reporters" who get in free do all the complaining. the fans, well heck, WE LOVE IT
did Torres leave the ice or was it because of the contact from the check that lifted both players off the ice?
pretty darn close.
seems the Ref made the right call, Torres finished his check. - Rimland
Yes, after the TSN analysis, suddenly the videos of the hit changed to show him clearly in the air and making contact with the head. Torres was late and he clearly jumped. Anyone disputing that is a (frank)ing dumbass.
When did laying out a hard hit become so illegal that it warrants a 15 game suspension? I advocated this same thing last year in the SCF with Rome on Horton. Was the hit late? Maybe by a fraction of a second. Did Torres leave his feet? Arguable, depending on the angle you watch it from. From a couple angles it just looks like the impact lifts him up. I would hardly say that he "launches" himself at Hossa.
This is where the NHL needs to smarten up. They can't suspend players based on injury. The suspension has to be the result of the hit itself. If Hossa had got up and skated away unaffected, would anyone be crying this much foul? I think not. When I look at Rome's hit on Horton, Brown's hit on H. Sedin and now Torres' hit on Hossa, I see the same things. The hits are a split second late, but not worth any suplemental discipline; a minor penalty would have sufficed.
You can't take Torres out of the game because he hits harder than nearly everyone else. As someone already pointed out, he's not a headhunter like Cooke. He just finishes his checks with ridiculous strength and power.
I hate to see Hossa go down like he did, but I don't feel as though Torres deserves to have his entire post-season taken away because of this hit. Keith's elbow on Daniel Sedin is the worst hit I've seen in a long, long time and that warranted 5 regular season games in Shanny's world. If Torres gets anything even remotely close to that, there's something seriously wrong. - Michael_Stuart
Explain to me this. What value does the hit add to the play?
What value did he add by hitting Seabrook late last year? It does nothing for the play except injure a key player. Seabrook never had the puck when he got hit by Torres, and Hossa had clearly gotten rid of it. Instead of pulling away from the hits, he chose to go full speed ahead, high and hard. And when you have a guy out there whose job is solely to hurt people, I think the NHL has to do something about it.
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Apr 18 @ 6:53 AM ET
When did laying out a hard hit become so illegal that it warrants a 15 game suspension? I advocated this same thing last year in the SCF with Rome on Horton. Was the hit late? Maybe by a fraction of a second. Did Torres leave his feet? Arguable, depending on the angle you watch it from. From a couple angles it just looks like the impact lifts him up. I would hardly say that he "launches" himself at Hossa.
This is where the NHL needs to smarten up. They can't suspend players based on injury. The suspension has to be the result of the hit itself. If Hossa had got up and skated away unaffected, would anyone be crying this much foul? I think not. When I look at Rome's hit on Horton, Brown's hit on H. Sedin and now Torres' hit on Hossa, I see the same things. The hits are a split second late, but not worth any suplemental discipline; a minor penalty would have sufficed.
You can't take Torres out of the game because he hits harder than nearly everyone else. As someone already pointed out, he's not a headhunter like Cooke. He just finishes his checks with ridiculous strength and power.
I hate to see Hossa go down like he did, but I don't feel as though Torres deserves to have his entire post-season taken away because of this hit. Keith's elbow on Daniel Sedin is the worst hit I've seen in a long, long time and that warranted 5 regular season games in Shanny's world. If Torres gets anything even remotely close to that, there's something seriously wrong. - Michael_Stuart
Explain to me this. What value does the hit add to the play?
What value did he add by hitting Seabrook late last year? It does nothing for the play except injure a key player. And when you have a guy out there whose job is solely to hurt people, I think the NHL has to do something about it. - nyy
I don't believe that's really his only job out there. He's actually a pretty effective player who can score 15+ goals per season. The fact that he can hit like a freight train just adds to it. Am I impressed by all of Torres' hits? No, but I don't believe that this was anywhere close to the terrible hit people are making it out to be.
What's the NHL supposed to do, tell him he can't hit anymore? They are taking physicality out of the game. I'm all for taking out cheapshots and hits from the blindside, but Hossa wasn't unsuspecting, he wasn't in a vulnerable position and the hit wasn't all that late. Keith's elbow on Sedin was way "dirtier" than Torres' hit. Torres just threw a big bodycheck with unfortunate consequences. If Hossa wasn't injured on the play, nobody would be talking about the hit at all. Had Daniel Sedin been fine, Keith's elbow still would have been disgusting. Just my two cents.
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Apr 18 @ 7:02 AM ET
I don't believe that's really his only job out there. He's actually a pretty effective player who can score 15+ goals per season. The fact that he can hit like a freight train just adds to it. Am I impressed by all of Torres' hits? No, but I don't believe that this was anywhere close to the terrible hit people are making it out to be.
What's the NHL supposed to do, tell him he can't hit anymore? They are taking physicality out of the game. I'm all for taking out cheapshots and hits from the blindside, but Hossa wasn't unsuspecting, he wasn't in a vulnerable position and the hit wasn't all that late. Keith's elbow on Sedin was way "dirtier" than Torres' hit. Torres just threw a big bodycheck with unfortunate consequences. If Hossa wasn't injured on the play, nobody would be talking about the hit at all. Had Daniel Sedin been fine, Keith's elbow still would have been disgusting. Just my two cents. - Michael_Stuart
Dude, the rules are pretty clear.... you cannot leave your feet to hit a guy. It's a punishable offense. He clearly did that, and has a history of doing such.
By suspending him for this hit (just like other hits he's been suspended for) is telling him and the rest of the league that this isn't acceptable. They are in no way taking hitting out of the game, only enforcing the illegal hits.
I don't believe that's really his only job out there. He's actually a pretty effective player who can score 15+ goals per season. The fact that he can hit like a freight train just adds to it. Am I impressed by all of Torres' hits? No, but I don't believe that this was anywhere close to the terrible hit people are making it out to be.
What's the NHL supposed to do, tell him he can't hit anymore? They are taking physicality out of the game. I'm all for taking out cheapshots and hits from the blindside, but Hossa wasn't unsuspecting, he wasn't in a vulnerable position and the hit wasn't all that late. Keith's elbow on Sedin was way "dirtier" than Torres' hit. Torres just threw a big bodycheck with unfortunate consequences. If Hossa wasn't injured on the play, nobody would be talking about the hit at all. Had Daniel Sedin been fine, Keith's elbow still would have been disgusting. Just my two cents. - Michael_Stuart
I agree that Keith's elbow was despicable, and that's the kind of stuff they really need to crack down on.
In Torres's case, it's one thing to throw a big hit on a guy who is skating with the puck with his head down. It's another to hit a guy before he even has the puck, or after he's already gotten rid of it.
I agree that Keith's elbow was despicable, and that's the kind of stuff they really need to crack down on.
In Torres's case, it's one thing to throw a big hit on a guy who is skating with the puck with his head down. It's another to hit a guy before he even has the puck, or after he's already gotten rid of it. - nyy
I think it's a bit of a double edged sword. The game is so fast right now that by the time Torres has decided to make the hit, it's too late to change course. People are saying it's about 0.8 seconds late and, like Rome in the Stanley Cup Final, Torres can't really be expected to divert in that amount of time. To take that hit out of the game, you have to slow the game down. It's impossible to get rid of it with the speed of today's game.
I think it's a bit of a double edged sword. The game is so fast right now that by the time Torres has decided to make the hit, it's too late to change course. People are saying it's about 0.8 seconds late and, like Rome in the Stanley Cup Final, Torres can't really be expected to divert in that amount of time. To take that hit out of the game, you have to slow the game down. It's impossible to get rid of it with the speed of today's game. - Michael_Stuart
Then it's his job not to put himself into a situation where he might hit a guy very late. You don't have to slow the game down, you just have to take out the players who don't know how to time their hits.
It's the same discussion as his hit last year on Seabrook. Except then he hit before Seabrook could even get the puck.
The purpose of a body check is to slow down or stop the puck carrier. Torres is just looking for any chance to lay a huge hit on someone. He doesn't care what else is going on in the game, or if the puck is even in the picture. It's not a hockey play, it's just an attack.
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Apr 18 @ 7:33 AM ET
I don't see the issue with the hit - it may have been a bit late, but beyond that -meh..... Torres' momentum as he followed through on his hit is what brought his feet off the ice - he did not leave his feet, then hit him. He hit him, then his feet came off the ice ....
This is another classic example of why guys need to keep their heads up. Same thing with the hit in the St. Loius game the other night - buddy is against the boards, see's his opponent coming at him (to hit him), looks down at his feet to find the puck and gets lambasted ..... duh, what the hell else would you expect ?????
I feel bad for Hossa, but it was a good hockey hit ... but maybe a half a stride late.
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Apr 18 @ 7:35 AM ET
I don't see the issue with the hit - it may have been a bit late, but beyond that -meh..... Torres' momentum as he followed through on his hit is what brought his feet off the ice - he did not leave his feet, then hit him. He hit him, then his feet came off the ice ....
This is another classic example of why guys need to keep their heads up. Same thing with the hit in the St. Loius game the other night - buddy is against the boards, see's his opponent coming at him (to hit him), looks down at his feet to find the puck and gets lambasted ..... duh, what the hell else would you expect ?????
I feel bad for Hossa, but it was a good hockey hit ... but maybe a half a stride late. - GadesnSens
Man, I actually don't mind the hit. But I like hard hitting, blood baths of a game.
But you can't sit here, and say he didnt leave his feet before the hit...There's actually video proof, of him leaving his feet before contact..
I don't see the issue with the hit - it may have been a bit late, but beyond that -meh..... Torres' momentum as he followed through on his hit is what brought his feet off the ice - he did not leave his feet, then hit him. He hit him, then his feet came off the ice ....
This is another classic example of why guys need to keep their heads up. Same thing with the hit in the St. Loius game the other night - buddy is against the boards, see's his opponent coming at him (to hit him), looks down at his feet to find the puck and gets lambasted ..... duh, what the hell else would you expect ?????
I feel bad for Hossa, but it was a good hockey hit ... but maybe a half a stride late. - GadesnSens
