Keep it up boys, Berger is loving this

How has he lost it
- ThePresident

Who won game four for the Canucks? Who is going to give them a chance to win game five? Is it Cory Schneider or was Luongo making saves from his place on the bench?

What does this have to do with Luongo? Lundqvist has the numbers to make that argument. Luongo doesn't. Luongo doesn't even have top 10 numbers anymore. In fact, his back-up, out performed him this year. You want to make the argument that the Canucks are President trophy winners because of Luongo? I could say the same about Schneider. Without Schneider, they can't do it either. Point is, Luongo has lost it in Vancouver and overall, his numbers aren't where they use to be.
- Unholy_Goalie

Because you can't seem to understand that just because a team is at the top of the standings, they are not the best team in the league. Most of the time they have great goaltending that got them there, great goaltending that makes up for the average team in front of them.

Who won game four for the Canucks? Who is going to give them a chance to win game five? Is it Cory Schneider or was Luongo making saves from his place on the bench?
- Unholy_Goalie

Can Cory Schneider play more then 33 games in an NHL season?

Don't think anyone was thinking that.
- ThePresident

When the Habs got Gomez, he had 58 points. The years before that, he had 70, 60 and 84. At the time, he looked like a 1st line center. Now, he's down to 11 points at age 34.

It doesn't take much or very long for a 10 year deal to go from good to bad and bad to worse. Especially with a goalie who seems to be a headcase in possibly the worst market in the world.

Because you can't seem to understand that just because a team is at the top of the standings, they are not the best team in the league. Most of the time they have great goaltending that got them there, great goaltending that makes up for the average team in front of them.
- ThePresident

And this year, Schneider had better numbers. And he took the net from Luongo during the playoffs too. So if you want to say it was the goaltending that won them the Presidents trophy, it's just as easy to say Schneider was the reason for it too. He did win 20 games. That's 40 points right there. Could Luongo have won an extra 20 games?

When the Habs got Gomez, he had 58 points. The years before that, he had 70, 60 and 84. At the time, he looked like a 1st line center. Now, he's down to 11 points at age 34.

It doesn't take much or very long for a 10 year deal to go from good to bad and bad to worse. Especially with a goalie who seems to be a headcase in possibly the worst market in the world.
- Unholy_Goalie

I don't think anyone thought that was a good signing when the Rangers shelled out that contract, the same cannot be said about Luongo. Luongo is a Franchise player, Gomez is a joke.

What if they find a guy who is ready to take the net in 3 years? Then you have a 5.3 million dollar back-up signed for 10 years.

Not to mention, the Leafs really need more tanking than they need 7th or 8th place.
- Unholy_Goalie

Well if the plan is to tank (and it's not) then this whole discussion is irrelevant. Knowing BB's plan is to win now and in the future then he won't Richard around with what if's.

He said he wants a "four year guy". I don't know what that means but I have to assume it means somebody who's already a number 1 and can be so for atleast the next 4 years.

I'm not suggesting the Leaf should do this but I'm suggesting what the logic would be if they did. And Luongo is an asset so unless he turns to poop (and sure he might) he can be moved 3-4 years down the road.

Can Cory Schneider play more then 33 games in an NHL season?
- ThePresident

Given his history, at every level, yes he can. He didn't have a problem playing 60 in the AHL.

Because you can't seem to understand that just because a team is at the top of the standings, they are not the best team in the league. Most of the time they have great goaltending that got them there, great goaltending that makes up for the average team in front of them.
- ThePresident

I don't think anyone thought that was a good signing when the Rangers shelled out that contract, the same cannot be said about Luongo.
- ThePresident

Yes it can. Plenty of people laughed at the Luongo contract. They also laughed when they made him team captain. And they're laughing again now that he isn't the starter anymore.

Luongo is a Franchise player, Gomez is a joke.

Franchise goalies don't ride the pine during the playoffs.

Well if the plan is to tank (and it's not) then this whole discussion is irrelevant. Knowing BB's plan is to win now and in the future then he won't Richard around with what if's.

He said he wants a "four year guy". I don't know what that means but I have to assume it means somebody who's already a number 1 and can be so for atleast the next 4 years.

I'm not suggesting the Leaf should do this but I'm suggesting what the logic would be if they did. And Luongo is an asset so unless he turns to poop (and sure he might) he can be moved 3-4 years down the road.
- The Law

If Burke wants to win now and get a "four year guy" then he had better call Calgary and ask about Kiprusoff because not only is he a far better goaltender than Luongo but he also isn't signed until the end of time.

It would probably cost them a lot but Luongo wouldn't come cheap either. Especially considering who the GM in Vancouver is.

If Burke wants to win now and get a "four year guy" then he had better call Calgary and ask about Kiprusoff because not only is he a far better goaltender than Luongo but he also isn't signed until the end of time.

It would probably cost them a lot but Luongo wouldn't come cheap either. Especially considering who the GM in Vancouver is.
- Unholy_Goalie

I wonder what the Blues would want for Brian Elliott

I wonder what the Blues would want for Brian Elliott
- stoned

According to the consensus, he's a clearcut top 5 goaltender, even #1 if we go by this year

I wonder what the Blues would want for Brian Elliott
- stoned

I doubt they want to disrupt what they have there. They have two statistically amazing goaltenders both signed for a total of 5.5 million per year. Unless somebody throws the farm at them, they would be wise to keep it together.

According to the consensus, he's a clearcut top 5 goaltender, even #1 if we go by this year
- ThePresident

Not a single person here said that nor did they include him in any top 5 lists.

I wonder what the Blues would want for Brian Elliott
- stoned

I'd actually be quite curious to see if Brian Elliott has all of the sudden become good or if it is just more of a product or a system and a team that gives him confidence. Its hard to believe he went from what he was here in Ottawa to All star in one summer. Boggles the mind, it does...

I doubt they want to disrupt what they have there. They have two statistically amazing goaltenders both signed for a total of 5.5 million per year. Unless somebody throws the farm at them, they would be wise to keep it together.
- Unholy_Goalie

It's the system they are playing in, nothing more.

I doubt they want to disrupt what they have there. They have two statistically amazing goaltenders both signed for a total of 5.5 million per year. Unless somebody throws the farm at them, they would be wise to keep it together.
- Unholy_Goalie

He could just as easily fall back to earth next year, they may want to sell high

He could just as easily fall back to earth next year, they may want to sell high
- stoned

Then what's the point of acquiring a back-up?

Then what's the point of acquiring a back-up?
- Unholy_Goalie

He could be for real,if the price is reasonable he might be worth the gamble

He could be for real,if the price is reasonable he might be worth the gamble
- stoned

Doubt it. Once upon a time Dan Ellis looked like he was for real. There are a lot of back-up goalies who have a career year and then disappear again. Elliot isn't worth the inflated price tag.

Doubt it. Once upon a time Dan Ellis looked like he was for real. There are a lot of back-up goalies who have a career year and then disappear again. Elliot isn't worth the inflated price tag.
- Unholy_Goalie

The bottom line is, there are only about half a dozen goalies in the league that are year to year consistently solid money goalies.That's why it scares the crap out of me that Nonis and Burke will go after "Lui"

The bottom line is, there are only about half a dozen goalies in the league that are year to year consistently solid money goalies.That's why it scares the crap out of me that Nonis and Burke will go after "Lui"
- stoned

All the more reason to draft and develop our own goalies. Why go out and chase veterans or trade for them and waste assets? Even when the Leafs got Joseph and Belfour, it wasn't long before Joseph picked up and left or that Belfour was too old to play. They had good runs but it wasn't sustainable.

The Leafs haven't had a legit goalie, that was their own, who lasted more than four or five years. It's time the Leafs did the right thing and found their next long term goalie by themselves. You look at goalies like Ward, Fleury, Rinne, Lundqvist, Price; these goalies are all 10 year type goaltenders. Guys that will literally be the cornerstone for a full decade. Enough of this patchwork. Do it right and get a guy who will stand the test of time.

All the more reason to draft and develop our own goalies. Why go out and chase veterans or trade for them and waste assets? Even when the Leafs got Joseph and Belfour, it wasn't long before Joseph picked up and left or that Belfour was too old to play. They had good runs but it wasn't sustainable.

The Leafs haven't had a legit goalie, that was their own, who lasted more than four or five years. It's time the Leafs did the right thing and found their next long term goalie by themselves. You look at goalies like Ward, Fleury, Rinne, Lundqvist, Price; these goalies are all 10 year type goaltenders. Guys that will literally be the cornerstone for a full decade. Enough of this patchwork. Do it right and get a guy who will stand the test of time.
- Unholy_Goalie

No question,draft one in the 2nd round this year, but the present is the present