They have 12 players signed for next year. They have $30 mil in cap space.

Suter will get $5-6 mil/year
Weber will get $8+

It's going to cut it close but it is possible.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Do they have $30MM in real US Dollars (or Canadian dollars)?

Do they have $30MM in real US Dollars (or Canadian dollars)?
- StLBravesFan

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=19

Do they have $30MM in real US Dollars (or Canadian dollars)?
- StLBravesFan

Its an American city. I think they probably use American currency.

If Nashville intends on keeping Radulov, that's another guy who's going to effect their cap.

Weber will easily get $7 million plus. I think Suter could easily get $6 million plus on the free agent market. I'd imagine Radulov could get money similar to Grabovski.
- EKolb13

Weber will get $8+ and Suter probably will be in the $6-7 range.

They have 12 players signed for next year. They have $30 mil in cap space.

Suter will get $5-6 mil/year
Weber will get $8+

It's going to cut it close but it is possible.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Rinne got a 3 mill raise, Suter currently make 3.5 so I bumped him to 7 (a guess) and Weber is making 7.5 so I guess 8 for him, which is 8 mill extra than their current cap.

Its an American city. I think they probably use American currency.
- Lohaus

Really...his size and perimeter play doesn't work in the playoffs..

Lets look at sir patricks playoff #'s:

09: GP=16, G=9, P=14
10: GP=22, G=10, P=28

For those two years an outstanding point +/gm player! And he wasn't 6 foot, 210 lbs and crashing the net back then.

11: GP=7, G=1, P=6
12: GP=6, G=0, P=4

1 goal in the last 13 playoff games! Playoff gm physical play has not increased that much in the last 2 years and kane didn't get any smaller.

Something else is going on to account for this production drop off this year and the last 2 playoffs.

It would behoove the coaching staff and kane to figure this out. 5 years in the league and his talent and skill his prodcution should be going strongly the other way.
- bogiedoc

I don't have the definitive solution but I can tell you him coming down the middle of the ice with the puck and trying to stickhandle thru 4 or 5 defenders at their blueline just doesn't work too well.

I'm not knocking the kid, but he's been muted by both Vancouver and Phoenix in the last 2 playoff series. And in the Cup Final Q had to get him away from Pronger because it just wasn't working.

Maybe he should watch Claude Giroux and Danny Briere videos for what they are doing right.

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=19
- CaptainBlackhawk

I know what Capgeek says - they CAN spend $30MM.

Do they have the $30MM in the bank to spend? THAT's the issue with Nashville.

Its an American city. I think they probably use American currency.
- Lohaus

It's Nashville - they probably use confederate money.

I know what Capgeek says - they CAN spend $30MM.

Do they have the $30MM in the bank to spend? THAT's the issue with Nashville.
- StLBravesFan

In a pre game interview with Foley Trotz said Poile is positioning his team to be a spend to the cap organization.

What about the level of Nashville's TV/radio revenues? Certainly much less than bigger / more hockey-oriented markets.

What about ticket prices? Don't know, but do they approach Chicago, NY, Boston, Toronto, Montreal?
- StLBravesFan

Well, from what my understanding is Nashville, the city, is now all on board with the Predators, which wasn't always the case. Its taken time but the building itself is one of the loudest arena's in the game today, the fans love the Preds and the real elusive market, the corporate sponsors, are supposedly starting to look at the Preds where as in the past, it wasn't the case. Our radio guy Jason York, former Pred and glowing supporter of Nashville the community, has somehow managed to get Barry Trotz to do our show lately and he has been ultra positive about the ground that has been made up in Nashville this past couple of seasons. The Preds are no longer one of the teams people can toss into that "traditional hockey market" crap that people spew all the time. The area has taken to them.

Weber will get $8+ and Suter probably will be in the $6-7 range.
- CaptainBlackhawk

I don't think Weber will get $8 million, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Weber is still a RFA. I think he and Nashville will hammer out a long term deal. Nashville almost has to with him. I think another go around with Weber in arbitration will seriously damage their relationship with him.

I think Suter will go somewhere else, and Nashville will sign Radulov.

That's my opinion, for what it's worth.

It's Nashville - they probably use confederate money.
- StLBravesFan

It's Nashville - they probably use confederate money.
- StLBravesFan

They will at least use Chicago contract ingenuity ala Keith, Hossa.

Really...his size and perimeter play doesn't work in the playoffs..

Lets look at sir patricks playoff #'s:

09: GP=16, G=9, P=14
10: GP=22, G=10, P=28

For those two years an outstanding point +/gm player! And he wasn't 6 foot, 210 lbs and crashing the net back then.

11: GP=7, G=1, P=6
12: GP=6, G=0, P=4

1 goal in the last 13 playoff games! Playoff gm physical play has not increased that much in the last 2 years and kane didn't get any smaller.

Something else is going on to account for this production drop off this year and the last 2 playoffs.

It would behoove the coaching staff and kane to figure this out. 5 years in the league and his talent and skill his prodcution should be going strongly the other way.
- bogiedoc

It's easy to figure out. He had size on his line in 2010. He didn't 2011 or 2012. If anything Kane is stronger and bigger than he was when we won the Cup. You don't put more smallish skill players with him. You put someone out there with size who can create space, forecheck and battle. It's not about Kane. It's about his supporting cast...

It's easy to figure out. He had size on his line in 2010. He didn't 2011 or 2012. If anything Kane is stronger and bigger than he was when we won the Cup. You don't put more smallish skill players with him. You put someone out there with size who can create space, forecheck and battle. It's not about Kane. It's about his supporting cast...
- ilinkhawk

YES

I don't have the definitive solution but I can tell you him coming down the middle of the ice with the puck and trying to stickhandle thru 4 or 5 defenders at their blueline just doesn't work too well.
I'm not knocking the kid, but he's been muted by both Vancouver and Phoenix in the last 2 playoff series. And in the Cup Final Q had to get him away from Pronger because it just wasn't working.

Maybe he should watch Claude Giroux and Danny Briere videos for what they are doing right.
- RickJ

on both points....

For a very short period of time with a very high likelihood of serious injury.

The owners have invested only money - which they have more of. The players invest their lives - which they have only one of.

No one pays to see Rocky Wirtz: they pay to see Toews, Hossa, Kane.
- StLBravesFan

Point taken, however I don't see anyone holding guns to the players heads making them play (PLAY) a game they love, while getting paid silly money for it. Without Rocky Wirtz, and the rest the owners, there would be no watching Toews, Hossa, or Kane.

As much as I dislike Bettman, he has grown hockey in the U.S. drastically, which has increased revenues not only for the owners, but the players aswell, and in doing so has provided more opportunity for players that might very well not had the chance to play hockey and earn such a good living.

To a degree. You can draft and develop and then pull off deals from time to time to fill the gaps but no matter how smart the GM is, if the money issue is far too significant, you can't maintain a championship calibre team, only even a moderate one. Margin of error is too slim in the MLB if your stud players you develop into stars keep walking and you keep unloading them before the deal is up for more prospects in an endless cycle... eventually you either have to put the cash on the table or accept the fate. Tamp is a good example and the purge that just occurred is set to occur soon again with guys like Price. You have ot have a decent payroll, it doens't have to be top 8, but it has to be decent enough to give options.
- Lohaus

No one said it was easier to do this.. Yankess model is easier, just buy to fix your mistakes. This model will take time and is very detailed so you don't have to make a mistakes that cost you. Look at OAK, they are in Baseball Hell, with what you said... it isn't easy, but much better model than the Yankees IMO.

When Price goes, I have faith the TAMPA mngt will have someone waiting in the wings to take his place.

It's Nashville - they probably use confederate money.
- StLBravesFan

Nicely played!

That could happen if there were no salary cap. Hawks could offer Ott 6 mil, Doan 7 mil, Stoll 5 mil. While they are at it, why not give Suter 10mil to come here?

Toews, Kane, Ott
Stoll, Sharp, Doan
Bolland, Downie, Bickell
Stalberg, Kruger, Bollig

Suter, Keith, Seabs by 25 each a night, and you just rotate defense partners. Even Crawford can look good in front of that team. But teams like Nashville, Dallas, Phoenix all lose out because they can't compete financially with the bigger market. So while money doesn't buy a winner, it makes small markets uncompetitive, Hence the salary cap.
- anawrocki

I get you. I actually didn't mean that the Hawks could get all those guys, but to simply say that it would be more likely to get Doan through free agency rather than trade for Ott (who Dallas likes a lot). Stoll too.

No one said it was easier to do this.. Yankess model is easier, just buy to fix your mistakes. This model will take time and is very detailed so you don't have to make a mistakes that cost you. Look at OAK, they are in Baseball Hell, with what you said... it isn't easy, but much better model than the Yankees IMO.

When Price goes, I have faith the TAMPA mngt will have someone waiting in the wings to take his place.
- victorymc98

I think part of the issue with having an unlimited payroll is that you dont worry about making mistakes. The Yankees toss out ridiculous money, I think a couple of years ago their infield made more than 12+ teams total payrolls if I recall. THe key is being a smart GM with an unlimited payroll... unstoppable!

I do agree that Kane will probably the core player to be dangled out, but Im not convinced that his season is a pattern. The Kane that we are used to had a strong supporting role. He had Buff, Eager, Ladd, Burrish, Brouwer, Kopecky, etc... Kane had space to move out there becasue he also had people that were grinders, that worked well with his talent, and policed the ice when he was out there. This year, one strong line meant that 2+ lines were lacking in depth and Kane's line tended to be one of those. Unfortunately, IMO, Kane was forced to do a lot of the things himself. Was he selfish at times and trying to dazzle too much, sure, but he didnt have much support. Hawks fans (and this is what bandwagoners dont get) got spolied in 2009-2010 with that team. Does anyone really see a team that deep happening any time soon or again? The players that HAD to be moved are captains or assistant captains on other teams now. That's how deep they were. Unfortunately, looks like the only way to get the grit and the grinders (the Kesler's and Nash's) is to have money to spend and Kane may be the only option to move. However, he may be seen as the only big name option because of his play the last 2 seasons that was impacted by a poor supporting cast. Just my opinion, but I may be wrong (ask my wife. She says Im wrong a lot).