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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 26 @ 12:00 PM ET
Briere just came out. Full squad on the ice.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 12:01 PM ET
LOL I remember hearing that... Oulette, JM Peltiere, Boucher, Niitimaki, and on and on and on....
- RooNosHockey


Certainly guys can flop. Funny you mention only Flyers...perhaps that's a failure of an organization and not the norm.

I don't doubt that Luongo will be traded. I also don't doubt that Vancouver will get some value in return, probably more than a 2nd rounder. But he's not going to get the Canucks some massive return that will fill all their needs.

Any GM that trades for Luongo is basically placing his job in Luongo's hands. They hold most of the cards, because Luongo can pick and choose his destination.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 26 @ 12:01 PM ET
I think that most casual fans, myself included, are looking for far more then that. I'm not satisifed with that. And I'm not interested in a moral victory. The Flyers won a playoff series, against the Pens. That it was against a top rival and Crosby makes it sweeter then say beating the Habs in round 1. But It's not like it has been suggested that they won "their" Conference final. I won't see any banners going up from it.
- MJL

MJL your twisting it around. No-one is saying if they lose we should be satisified that beating the Penguins was a Conference Final. I was saying that IF the Flyers win the cup and people say they took the easy road because they didnt have to go through Rangers or Boston, we can always say... WE HAD TO BEAT PITTSBURGH, the favorit to win the cup. That series can be looked at as tough as any Conference Final, and there would be no value to anyone's arguement they took the easy road like in 2010.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:02 PM ET
ok ok all of that is true, but for example shift 1 game 6 will be a very memorable one indeed and likely will go on highlight reels.
- FlyersFirst



Absolutely. It's one of the greatest shifts in Flyers history. And Giroux cemented himself as one of the top players in the League. If not the best right now.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 26 @ 12:03 PM ET
I think that most casual fans, myself included, are looking for far more then that. I'm not satisifed with that. And I'm not interested in a moral victory. The Flyers won a playoff series, against the Pens. That it was against a top rival and Crosby makes it sweeter then say beating the Habs in round 1. But It's not like it has been suggested that they won "their" Conference final. I won't see any banners going up from it.
- MJL

You and I are not casual fans
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 26 @ 12:05 PM ET
Quick is an East coast guy, and there's some that feel the main reason Bernier hasn't been moved is that the Kings are worried that a team from the east will grab Quick.

I think that Lehtonen and Smith can be every bit as good as Luongo, and that Howard is a small step behind.

And yes, you could have Luongo...for ten years with a NMC. Luongo the guy who was pulled for his back up when the season was on the line in each of the last two seasons in the first round. For whatever faults Smith, Lehtonen and Howard have, I didn't see their coaches start the backups in must win games.

- Jsaquella


He let in 8 goals in 7 games in the finals last year. And his regualr season number are pretty consistant. His contact, and playoff failings, and age are not that far off from Bryz... So I dont see where your going with this...
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Apr 26 @ 12:06 PM ET
Certainly guys can flop. Funny you mention only Flyers...perhaps that's a failure of an organization and not the norm.

I don't doubt that Luongo will be traded. I also don't doubt that Vancouver will get some value in return, probably more than a 2nd rounder. But he's not going to get the Canucks some massive return that will fill all their needs.

Any GM that trades for Luongo is basically placing his job in Luongo's hands. They hold most of the cards, because Luongo can pick and choose his destination.

- Jsaquella



I would think that Van will have to take some salary back if they do trade Luongo and if they do then that will limit the value of return, I would think.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:12 PM ET
MJL your twisting it around. No-one is saying if they lose we should be satisified that beating the Penguins was a Conference Final. I was saying that IF the Flyers win the cup and people say they took the easy road because they didnt have to go through Rangers or Boston, we can always say... WE HAD TO BEAT PITTSBURGH, the favorit to win the cup. That series can be looked at as tough as any Conference Final, and there would be no value to anyone's arguement they took the easy road like in 2010.
- RooNosHockey



I'm not twisting anything. You called it a Conference Final, not me. It was a first round series win. That's all. Who's to say that this upcoming Series won't be a tougher one for the Flyers. Like was said, you have to win 16 games to get the Cup. The Flyers don't get to choose their opponents. And if they do win the Cup, who give's a rats ass what people would say. And if they would say it, I would laugh and ignore it, and treat it like the idiotic statement that it is. There is no value to anyone's argument that said it 2010 either.
sulshawn
Joined: 07.28.2008

Apr 26 @ 12:12 PM ET
I wouldn't be surprised if Luongo is traded to the Islanders but I think he will probably end up in Tampa.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 26 @ 12:12 PM ET
I won't see any banners going up from it.
- MJL


Speaking of which, there's only one banner that matters. The rest are just marketing crap.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:13 PM ET
I am also not twisting anything.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 26 @ 12:13 PM ET
Players just took to the ice. Grossmann dressed for full contact today, wearing the black jersey with the rest of the starting defensemen.
- bmeltzer


Nnice!!
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 26 @ 12:14 PM ET
Certainly guys can flop. Funny you mention only Flyers...perhaps that's a failure of an organization and not the norm.

I don't doubt that Luongo will be traded. I also don't doubt that Vancouver will get some value in return, probably more than a 2nd rounder. But he's not going to get the Canucks some massive return that will fill all their needs.

Any GM that trades for Luongo is basically placing his job in Luongo's hands. They hold most of the cards, because Luongo can pick and choose his destination.

- Jsaquella


I dont think Vancouver has too many needs to fill. I think they will get a roster player and a high draft pick for him. Roster player isnt a Star, maybe a decent young guy that hasnt panned out yet and a first.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:15 PM ET
I am also not twisting anything.
- Crimsoninja



You twist everything. Take a stand and make a STATEMENT.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Apr 26 @ 12:15 PM ET
Nnice!!
- Scoob



I see what you did there.

maine_mariner
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Live From Wayne Gretzky's Rest
Joined: 04.05.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:17 PM ET
It was like something out of a Spike Lee joint. Mostly idiot kids, who mostly used their real names on the account.
- Jsaquella


Fixed.
maine_mariner
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Live From Wayne Gretzky's Rest
Joined: 04.05.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:19 PM ET
I'm not twisting anything. You called it a Conference Final, not me. It was a first round series win. That's all. Who's to say that this upcoming Series won't be a tougher one for the Flyers. Like was said, you have to win 16 games to get the Cup. The Flyers don't get to choose their opponents. And if they do win the Cup, who give's a rats ass what people would say. And if they would say it, I would laugh and ignore it, and treat it like the idiotic statement that it is. There is no value to anyone's argument that said it 2010 either.
- MJL


Can we worry about this after the fact? Its all pointless BS right now..
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 26 @ 12:20 PM ET
I'm not twisting anything. You called it a Conference Final, not me. It was a first round series win. That's all. Who's to say that this upcoming Series won't be a tougher one for the Flyers. Like was said, you have to win 16 games to get the Cup. The Flyers don't get to choose their opponents. And if they do win the Cup, who give's a rats ass what people would say. And if they would say it, I would laugh and ignore it, and treat it like the idiotic statement that it is. There is no value to anyone's argument that said it 2010 either.
- MJL


Have you ever heard of a metaphore? How about a simile? Do you take everything literally?

Let me give you a hint. If someone is using words such as "Like" or "as" they are just making a comparision. If someone says "could be considered" They are not saying it will become....
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:21 PM ET
Have you ever heard of a metaphore? How about a simile? Do you take everything literally?

Let me give you a hint. If someone is using words such as "Like" or "as" they are just making a comparision. If someone says "could be considered" They are not saying it will become....

- RooNosHockey

I've actually never heard of a "metaphore"
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 26 @ 12:27 PM ET
I've actually never heard of a "metaphore"
- Crimsoninja

Are you making fun of my spelling? It's a product of my dyslexia. So really, your making fun of me because of a disability.... You have gone to far this time.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:28 PM ET
Are you making fun of my spelling? It's a product of my dyslexia. So really, your making fun of me because of a disability.... You have gone to far this time.
- RooNosHockey

*too
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:31 PM ET
I am also not twisting anything.
- Crimsoninja



my back would hurt....
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 26 @ 12:31 PM ET
*too
- Crimsoninja

7. No trolling and no feeding the trolls All posters are welcome in all threads, regardless of team loyalty, to discuss hockey. But do not post merely to inflame or disrupt.

Do not engage those who are out to disrupt the thread. Simply hit the post report button "!" and the Mods will deal with it from there.

Do not correct the spelling and grammar of other posters. Their errors may make you question how much credence to give their opinions, that’s up to you, but correcting their lapses is rude and trollish.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:31 PM ET
*too
- Crimsoninja


b or not 2 be
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 26 @ 12:34 PM ET
7. No trolling and no feeding the trolls All posters are welcome in all threads, regardless of team loyalty, to discuss hockey. But do not post merely to inflame or disrupt.

Do not engage those who are out to disrupt the thread. Simply hit the post report button "!" and the Mods will deal with it from there.

Do not correct the spelling and grammar of other posters. Their errors may make you question how much credence to give their opinions, that’s up to you, but correcting their lapses is rude and trollish.

- RooNosHockey

This would be so much more meaningful if it came from someone who consistently followed the Code of Conduct.
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