His cap hit isnt bad, his cash is for the next few years... I think his cap hit is less then Thomas'. Isnt Thomas at like 6 million?
- RooNosHockey

Thomas has one year left at $5mm hit.

Luongo has 10 years left, at $5.33mm.

The cap hit isn't the issue. Even the cash isn't a crippling issue, except for teams like Tampa or NJ.

The length of the deal is a big issue.

Who the Hell cares what the "haters" will say. If somebody talks about an easy path to the Stanley Cup, I'll simply post a picture of the team holding it and retort, your team couldn't beat these teams, so STFU.
- Jsaquella

I don't care because I don't listen to what 86% of Flyers fans say, so yea they can STFU i'm just speaking for others that will be affected by this comedic naysayer nastiness.

I don't care because I don't listen to what 86% of Flyers fans say, so yea they can STFU i'm just speaking for others that will be affected by this comedic naysayer nastiness.
- JoeRussomanno

Honestly, if people are bothered by that, they should probably just grow up.

The Flyers had a fairly easy run through the 1975 playoffs. Don;t hear many people chirping about it now.

Wait...86%?

Honestly, if people are bothered by that, they should probably just grow up.
- Jsaquella

Now we are talking about a perfect world

News that Thomas might be available has been around for weeks now.

Even if Thomas wasn't available, his contract's length was going to hurt his return. There's a lot of NHL GMs that are not willing to hand a goalie a deal for more than a few years.

DiPietro was a foolish GM making a foolish move. Bryzgalov was given the deal he got because the owner was saying in the media that the goalie issue would be resolved. Rinne got his deal because the GM was sending a message that the team was committed to keeping it's star players.

GM's don't like making major commitments to goalies.
- Jsaquella

I didn't hear anything about Thomas being available.

Now we are talking about a perfect world
- JoeRussomanno

A Flyers Stanley Cup would pretty much be that, IMO. I'd be too busy being happy to give a rat's ass what anyone said.

I didn't hear anything about Thomas being available.
- RooNosHockey

It's been hinted at since the White House snub.

I don't care if it's boring hockey and they make it to the Cup Finals. I will start drinking coffee at night to stay up. I would like them to win the Cup, thats there goal and my goal as a Flyers fan. I want to experience the same thing I expereienced in 2008 with the Phillies.
- phi1671

I have the same attitude as most do. I just want them to win and I'm fully confident in this team. However, to turn a blind eye and act as if the Rangers haven't steam rolled over the Flyers all season long is silly. Everyone in here has a preference as to whom they'd like not to face and who'd they're rather see. My response to my own question is simple. Avoid the Rangers at all costs. I was even more worried about the Bruins then I was the Pens entering the playoffs. I was never worried about the Pens to be honest, we've played well against them all season.

My Black Aces article is now online at Flyers' web site:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=629700

whoever wins the cup each year has to win 16 games on top of making it into the playoffs. Is that cheap? I get the point but in the end you win it.

Just like I've heard people talk about the cheapness of the Phillies WS Title...
I don't give a sh!t because they beat who was there, they could only control their own destiny. The did that...

Now it's the Flyers turn.

Thomas has one year left at $5mm hit.

Luongo has 10 years left, at $5.33mm.

The cap hit isn't the issue. Even the cash isn't a crippling issue, except for teams like Tampa or NJ.

The length of the deal is a big issue.
- Jsaquella

I don't think length matters as much as people think. Carter and Richards both long deals and were dealt easily enough. There will always be teams that need to get to the cap floor like Florida last offseason. If Tampa picked up Lu and couldn't afford him it wouldn't be that hard to move him a few years later.

I still think Toronto will likely land him though. Burke has a lot of pressure from the fan base and he is extremely reactionary.

whoever wins the cup each year has to win 16 games on top of making it into the playoffs. Is that cheap? I get the point but in the end you win it.

Just like I've heard people talk about the cheapness of the Phillies WS Title...
I don't give a sh!t because they beat who was there, they could only control their own destiny. The did that...

Now it's the Flyers turn.
- phi1671

The Flyers only had to win 12 games in 1975. Pussies

exactly... and what happened.... Just goes to show... 1 game 7 win, does not make a guy a starter for life.
- RooNosHockey

Nobody stated that it does.

I don't think length matters as much as people think. Carter and Richards both long deals and were dealt easily enough. There will always be teams that need to get to the cap floor like Florida last offseason. If Tampa picked up Lu and couldn't afford him it wouldn't be that hard to move him a few years later.

I still think Toronto will likely land him though. Burke has a lot of pressure from the fan base and he is extremely reactionary.
- NickTheKid87

There will be a new CBA soon, and who knows what the cap floor or ceiling will be.

A ten year deal with a NMC will scare teams off and hurt Luongo's value. I'm sure he will get Vancouver some assets...I mean, Heatley got Ottawa some pretty good assets...but I'd be stunned if Luongo got Vancouver a top four defenseman or top six forward and a 1st rounder.

Also Carter and Richards are in their mid 20's, not 33, and they're not goalies.

It's been hinted at since the White House snub.
- Jsaquella

Which was before Rask got hurt. It's all about the cap. If I was Chiarelli, I would wait to move Thomas. The fact they signed Turco to backup would indicate that there's not much depth.

I don't think length matters as much as people think. Carter and Richards both long deals and were dealt easily enough. There will always be teams that need to get to the cap floor like Florida last offseason. If Tampa picked up Lu and couldn't afford him it wouldn't be that hard to move him a few years later.

I still think Toronto will likely land him though. Burke has a lot of pressure from the fan base and he is extremely reactionary.
- NickTheKid87

Carter and Richards are both in their mid 20's.

Thomas has one year left at $5mm hit.

Luongo has 10 years left, at $5.33mm.

The cap hit isn't the issue. Even the cash isn't a crippling issue, except for teams like Tampa or NJ.

The length of the deal is a big issue.
- Jsaquella

The length and cash isn't going to be an issue for a team that needs/wants a franchise goalie, and doesnt have one lined up.

Who does NJ have that is going to replace Broduer? Who does Tampa that is going to be ready any time soon? Could these teams get a 1 year fix with Vokoun or Thomas? Yea, but then what? Luongo is going to have about 6-7 teams bidding on his services. He will probally want to go to about 4-5 of those teams. So you can bet Vancouver will get the best deal for him. And it's not going to be a second round pick.

There will be a new CBA soon, and who knows what the cap floor or ceiling will be.

A ten year deal with a NMC will scare teams off and hurt Luongo's value. I'm sure he will get Vancouver some assets...I mean, Heatley got Ottawa some assets...but I'd be stunned if Luongo got Vancouver a top four defenseman or top six forward and a 1st rounder.
- Jsaquella

Agreed. When other teams know that you want to dump the guy it's tough to get great value. Toronto won't give up their first. Maybe Kadri and/or Schenn who have yet to prove themselves in the Bigs.

IMO the teams that win playoff rounds are the actual good teams. If the Flyers end up with an "easy" route because teams like Boston and NYR lose, well, maybe those teams weren't all they were cracked up to be in the first place.

Which was before Rask got hurt. It's all about the cap. If I was Chiarelli, I would wait to move Thomas. The fact they signed Turco to backup would indicate that there's not much depth.
- 12,9 and 22

I would wait, as well. I'd wait for the TDL, unless somebody gave me a great offer this summer.

There will be a new CBA soon, and who knows what the cap floor or ceiling will be.

A ten year deal with a NMC will scare teams off and hurt Luongo's value. I'm sure he will get Vancouver some assets...I mean, Heatley got Ottawa some pretty good assets...but I'd be stunned if Luongo got Vancouver a top four defenseman or top six forward and a 1st rounder.Also Carter and Richards are in their mid 20's, not 33, and they're not goalies.
- Jsaquella

Me too. The return for guys with big contracts is usually underwhelming.

Carter and Richards are both in their mid 20's.
- MBFlyerfan

True but Carter's cap hit is $5.3 million and Richards' is $5.75 million and both guys are arguably not as valuable to a team as Luongo would be.

The Flyers only had to win 12 games in 1975. Pussies
- Jsaquella

and remember when you only had to win 8 games...oh wait...i wasn't even born...

Nobody stated that it does.
- MJL

Is this a Nascar Forum, cause I feel like I'm going in circles.....

I was replying to the folks that were saying if the Flyers win, they wouldn't care if they took the "easy" road or not. I was saying, they could look back and not see it as an "easy" road because we had to go through Pittsburgh, a series that had the intensity of any conference finals I have seen in a long time.

And this is the last thing I am saying on the subjet, cause you will just find some way to twist this too.
- RooNosHockey

It was a first round series. That is how history will look back on it. Nothing more. If the Flyers lose in the next round, will it have mattered that they beat the Pens, in the big picture? Not really. Maybe now there is some satisfaction in knocking out Crosby and the Pens. But a year from now it won't mean much.