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Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:23 PM ET
It was refuted by Gillis, I think I'll take his word over Darren Dregger, but I think it would depend on what CBJ gets for Nash and if it'll help make them competitive enough to make a run. I don't think it'd be his first choice, no, but I don't think he'd say no just because it's Columbus. I think if I was Luongo and I actually made a list, in order of preference it'd go:

FLA (Yes, they have Markstrom but this is based on preference, not need)
TB (Close to where his wife's family lives as well and they do need a goalie)
NYI (DiPetro is getting his trillion dollar contract paid by insurance, they can afford him)
WAS (This would depend on how Holtby does against the Rangers, but Luongo is an upgrade)
TOR (Canadian market, needs a goalie, for at least the first couple of years would be a king)
SJ (Neimi isn't getting it done and SJ is looking to change their core but is still a contender)
ANA (This is unlikely seeing as they have Hiller, but with his vertigo they might be in the hunt for him)
DAL (Upgrade over Lehtonen, but unlikely)
CBJ (Need a goalie DESPERATELY, but as they're 5 years away from contending who knows)
EDM (Divisional foe and probably the last place in the NHL he'd EVER want to go to)

I point this out, I think if the deal made sense to the Canucks and he was guaranteed to be the starter for 3-4 more years on a decent team with a shot at making the playoffs, I think he'd waive his NTC.

- DariusKnight

Forgive me for being skeptical...but I don't agree with Luongo waiving to go to:

NYI
CBJ
EDM (Gillis won't trade him there)

The other teams, I would agree with you on.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:24 PM ET
And be handcuffed forever because you need a #1 center and I'm sorry, Bozak and Grabvoski ain't it.
- DariusKnight

And Seguin is?!

I'm sure guys like Lucic, Horton, and Bergeron have had nothing to do with his success...

HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:24 PM ET
Tambi is on the hockeybuzz boards!
- hankthetank


Thats the point thats caused so much trouble with canuck homers and EVERYONE else..logic.
I dont need to be the gm. Its just common sense.
hankthetank
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I went to school for journalism. Our job was to be a mirror. We were to be the watchdog for society.
Joined: 07.03.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:25 PM ET
And Seguin is?!

I'm sure guys like Lucic, Horton, and Bergeron have had nothing to do with his success...

- Pen15


Yes.
...You really don't think Seguin is going to be a #1 centre?
VanIsle Canuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada
Joined: 02.27.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:27 PM ET
If anyone else who posts from an Iphone has figured out how to do that "Text message verification" crap, with the pin # that they send, please let me know, as I've followed all the steps and it still won't let me post, even now that I'm back on my computer.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:28 PM ET
You obviously didn't watch the first to games. Luongo was great but the rest of the team had no pulse. Schneider came in to try and shake things up and the team played better the next game so they stayed with him.
- fiveandagame

Phrase it how you want. He started the playoffs but did not end them. Luongo let in 7 goals in 2 games, Schneider let in 4 in 3games.
TLinden16
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Burnaby, BC
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 30 @ 9:28 PM ET
And get the #6 scorer in the league....where do I sign...
- Pen15



To quote Rocky Balboa when talking about Paulie..."and they say I'm punchy".

Sorry bro, you know in your heart of hearts that if Burkey gets a mully on that trade he's taking it 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. You don't build championship teams around one way wingers. You do with stud Centers (Seguin) and Dmen (Hamilton, all signs point to him being one). If you don't believe that, keep drinking the blue and white Kool Aid
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:28 PM ET
Yes.
...You really don't think Seguin is going to be a #1 centre?

- hankthetank

I'm sure he will be...but he's not a lock just yet.

A lot of people like to make the Kessel comparisons...but they fail to recognize Kessel plays with NO ONE....and Seguin has been the benefactor of a great system...and some balls to the walls wingers that open up ice...
VanIsle Canuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada
Joined: 02.27.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:29 PM ET
And get the #6 scorer in the league....where do I sign...
- Pen15


Who can't play defence, and will likely never reach those totals again. . .
TLinden16
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Burnaby, BC
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 30 @ 9:30 PM ET
Do you think any of those guys were worth $5.3MM @ that age?
- Pen15



Yes (Brodeur) not really but close (Roli) Yes (Belfour) and yes (Hasek)
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:30 PM ET
To quote Rocky Balboa when talking about Paulie..."and they say I'm punchy".

Sorry bro, you know in your heart of hearts that if Burkey gets a mully on that trade he's taking it 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. You don't build championship teams around one way wingers. You do with stud Centers (Seguin) and Dmen (Hamilton, all signs point to him being one). If you don't believe that, keep drinking the blue and white Kool Aid

- TLinden16

How many times have you watched Kessel play this year?

And as of today's valuation....Kessel > Seguin
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Apr 30 @ 9:30 PM ET
And Seguin is?!

I'm sure guys like Lucic, Horton, and Bergeron have had nothing to do with his success...

- Pen15


Have seen Seguin play? He plays on a good team but his in no way a passenger. He is going to be amazing in a couple of years and it pains me to say that because I absolutely hate the Bruins
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:31 PM ET
Who can't play defence, and will likely never reach those totals again. . .
- VanIsle Canuck

Didn't know you watched 82 leafs games this year to give that assessment...tks for the great insight.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Apr 30 @ 9:32 PM ET
I'm sure he will be...but he's not a lock just yet.

A lot of people like to make the Kessel comparisons...but they fail to recognize Kessel plays with NO ONE....and Seguin has been the benefactor of a great system...and some balls to the walls wingers that open up ice...

- Pen15


Kessel is a cherry picker who floats around waiting for the puck, he got 37 goals and 45 assists this year because Lupul actually showed signs that he was worth trading Pronger from Edmonton for him. Lupul opened up the ice for Kessel and picked up his garbage, are you telling me that Kessel is THAT good on his own?
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Apr 30 @ 9:33 PM ET
Phrase it how you want. He started the playoffs but did not end them. Luongo let in 7 goals in 2 games, Schneider let in 4 in 3games.
- sbroads24


Again, if watched the games and didn't just look at the stat line you would know how well he played. He was completely hung out to dry. The team had more jump in game 3 and the went with Schnieder, who looked amazing
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:33 PM ET
Have seen Seguin play? He plays on a good team but his in no way a passenger. He is going to be amazing in a couple of years and it pains me to say that because I absolutely hate the Bruins
- fiveandagame

Almost watched every Bruin game this year (I'm a secondary Bruin fan...love the city).

And yes...he's on his way to being a great player. But he's not even close to being as effective if he doesn't have the ice opened up for him.

Put it this way...if you put him in the leafs lineup this year after the all star game (when teams started to play tight neutral zone games)...he's as effective as Lupul.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:34 PM ET
Kessel is a cherry picker who floats around waiting for the puck, he got 37 goals and 45 assists this year because Lupul actually showed signs that he was worth trading Pronger from Edmonton for him. Lupul opened up the ice for Kessel and picked up his garbage, are you telling me that Kessel is THAT good on his own?
- DariusKnight

His play has increased year over year...and he's not even come close to being in his prime.

And to your comment about him being a cherry picker...you clearly didn't watch a lot of leafs games...his two way game has massively improved since coming from Boston.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 30 @ 9:35 PM ET
Why spend the money in FA when the market's inflated beyond reason? A quality (notice I'm not saying star or superstar) goalie in FA is going to cost teams at least 4-4.5mil per season, maybe more seeing as Bryzgalov's deal skewed the comparables. It's why Schneider will cost us 3-3.5 for 3-4 years as a RFA to keep in Vancouver, quality starters cost significantly against the cap because there aren't many out there.
- DariusKnight

That is what I am trying to say... If a team trades for him it's basically like they are signing him as a free agent, 6 yrs 5.3 a year. Thats a big comittment, but trading valueable assests and taking on that contract for someone who hasnt exactly been great in the playoffs is hard to sell
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 30 @ 9:35 PM ET
You shouldn't start your post that way followed by something this asinine.

The last thing MLSE needs to worry about is REVENUE...the leafs can probably buy half the NHL teams twice from merchandise and broadcasting contracts alone...but thanks for clarifying it for me.

The ONLY reason Luongo is a no go for blue and white is the fact that his contract will limit the moves the franchise can make going into the future.

- Pen15



Then why is every Maple leaf fan in here for the last month biitching about Luongos salary?

What friggen moves are you talking about .
Imagine me screaming "YOU HAVEN'T MADE THE PLAYOFFS IN 9 YEARS .WTF ARE YOU WAITING FOR ."
TLinden16
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Burnaby, BC
Joined: 06.30.2006

Apr 30 @ 9:36 PM ET
If anyone else who posts from an Iphone has figured out how to do that "Text message verification" crap, with the pin # that they send, please let me know, as I've followed all the steps and it still won't let me post, even now that I'm back on my computer.
- VanIsle Canuck


I'm using my iPhone as we speak and have had to do this before, I just followed the steps, pretty straight forward.
VanIsle Canuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada
Joined: 02.27.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:36 PM ET
Didn't know you watched 82 leafs games this year to give that assessment...tks for the great insight.
- Pen15


Didn't, but I watched enough. Kessel is a good player, but not even close to a top 10 player in the league.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:37 PM ET
Then why is every Maple leaf fan in here for the last month biitching about Luongos salary?
- VANTEL

Read my last paragraph bro....should answer all your questions.
VanIsle Canuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada
Joined: 02.27.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:38 PM ET
I'm using my iPhone as we speak and have had to do this before, I just followed the steps, pretty straight forward.
- TLinden16


I followed the steps too, but when I typed in the pin # it sent, and hit "verify account," nothing happened. Oh well, suppose I'll just have to use this account.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:39 PM ET
Didn't, but I watched enough. Kessel is a good player, but not even close to a top 10 player in the league.
- VanIsle Canuck

Well he's top 10 in scoring (6th to be exact)...and he's been improving his TOTAL game every year since he became a leaf....and he's still a good 3-4yrs away from his prime.
Pen15
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.01.2011

Apr 30 @ 9:40 PM ET
Then why is every Maple leaf fan in here for the last month biitching about Luongos salary?

What friggen moves are you talking about .
Imagine me screaming "YOU HAVEN'T MADE THE PLAYOFFS IN 9 YEARS .WTF ARE YOU WAITING FOR ."

- VANTEL

Luongo isn't the only option to push us into the playoffs...
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