I can't wait to see all of you proven wrong when Gillis gets a top 6 forward, prospect + pick for Luongo.

What baggage does Roberto come with?

Crawford had ONE good playoff series...which he lost... and you guys give him a 3 year 8 million dollar deal. Now that's a BAD contract.
- Scooby_Doo

Oh goodness, I will look forward to that so called proposal of what you think VAN would get back...

Myth....he has no baggage? I don't understand that comment unless it's to make your argument look better. Fact....he's been the best or one of the best goaltenders over the past five years, look at the consistency of his numbers. Having spent the past six seasons here, he's much more mentally prepared for the media and fans than he was when he got here. He's said as much himself.
- LeftCoaster

if he has no baggage, then why is he not the Canucks' #1 goalie anymore?

He is not more prepared for the media. He has shown himself to not handle media pressure well at all, over and over again.

This is rationalization. There might be a sucker out there who will chump up something of value for him , but in the absence of a competitive market for his services, that seems almost impossible— no matter how you value him (as someone your team wants to trade!)

I can see a small handful of teams sniffing around: Columbus, maybe Toronto. But the size and term of the deal is going to mean Gillis gets marginal return, unless the GM in question is committing career hara kiri.

Agreed. The length of that contract is the killer. For the handful of teams that actually NEED the money on their payroll, who wants to be stuck with that many years ? Even if he plays 'lights out' he'll never play out the contract.

So many teams, so few Glen Sather's and Garth Snow's.
- Pairo11

I hate Snow, don't get me wrong. Sather has done a pretty good job the last five years or so, hows you GM doing these days? Hows your team doing(Leino)? You need to look in the mirror.

if he has no baggage, then why is he not the Canucks' #1 goalie anymore?

He is not more prepared for the media. He has shown himself to not handle media pressure well at all, over and over again.

This is rationalization. There might be a sucker out there who will chump up something of value for him , but in the absence of a competitive market for his services, that seems almost impossible— no matter how you value him (as someone your team wants to trade!)

I can see a small handful of teams sniffing around: Columbus, maybe Toronto. But the size and term of the deal is going to mean Gillis gets marginal return, unless the GM in question is committing career hara kiri.
- John Jaeckel

Because we have a younger version of him that's just as good. I will agree with you that his contract can be deemed as "baggage". But that's not personal baggage as I assumed you meant?

Gillis probably kicks his own azz every day for being short sighted and giving out a contract like that. To be so stupid to think that another good goaltender won't come along in the next ten years, rookie GM mistake if you ask me.

I will also agree with you that he won't get as much of a return as he should, given his talents, because of his contract. But I don't think it will be one dump for another.

if he has no baggage, then why is he not the Canucks' #1 goalie anymore?

He is not more prepared for the media. He has shown himself to not handle media pressure well at all, over and over again.

This is rationalization. There might be a sucker out there who will chump up something of value for him , but in the absence of a competitive market for his services, that seems almost impossible— no matter how you value him (as someone your team wants to trade!)

I can see a small handful of teams sniffing around: Columbus, maybe Toronto. But the size and term of the deal is going to mean Gillis gets marginal return, unless the GM in question is committing career hara kiri.
- John Jaeckel

Hey JJ... Burrows on the top line with Benn and Perry.

Not bad for a hair pulling biter.

A lot of Buffalo fans have been scratching their heads since day one on him being included. Literally since his first game the overall opinion has been that the guy is solid. Nothing flashy but solid. Granted he only played about 20 games for us but he rarely turned the puck over when pressured, made the safe play out of the zone and really got the puck on net when he had the opportunity.

He'll never be a top 4 but he's a solid 5/6 all day long. Not bad for a 'throw in'.
- Pairo11

He's nothing more than a 6th defenseman and if you think he's more and play him more, good luck getting into the playoffs.

if he has no baggage, then why is he not the Canucks' #1 goalie anymore?

He is not more prepared for the media. He has shown himself to not handle media pressure well at all, over and over again.

This is rationalization. There might be a sucker out there who will chump up something of value for him , but in the absence of a competitive market for his services, that seems almost impossible— no matter how you value him (as someone your team wants to trade!)

I can see a small handful of teams sniffing around: Columbus, maybe Toronto. But the size and term of the deal is going to mean Gillis gets marginal return, unless the GM in question is committing career hara kiri.
- John Jaeckel

Lu definitely comes with baggage and it is evident. I think the return for Luongo will have less to do with the market as much as it will with what happens with the Canucks internally between now and July 1. If the Canucks let go of AV and are going to change the culture of the dressing room, Burrows could end up on that list of players potentially on their way out. He is a part of that old Moose crew, has an incredibly low cap hit and can produce.

Columbus may want to deal but it will depend on what comes back and what the plan of action will be for the team. Hopefully that is all sorted out before the end of the playoffs.

if he has no baggage, then why is he not the Canucks' #1 goalie anymore?

He is not more prepared for the media. He has shown himself to not handle media pressure well at all, over and over again.

This is rationalization. There might be a sucker out there who will chump up something of value for him , but in the absence of a competitive market for his services, that seems almost impossible— no matter how you value him (as someone your team wants to trade!)

I can see a small handful of teams sniffing around: Columbus, maybe Toronto. But the size and term of the deal is going to mean Gillis gets marginal return, unless the GM in question is committing career hara kiri.
- John Jaeckel

He's not the number one because there is a goalie, who's going to be the best in the league, behind him. He's low maitenance, cheap, young and intelligent. you'd have to be freaking stupid to not play Schneider. Luongo can handle pressure. Vancouver is a top five pressure market in the NHL. He's handled it fine. Especially recently. There's close to 10 teams looking for an upgrade in goal and the Canucks have the two biggest pieces. You think Luongo has no value? Think again. If Toronto tries to low ball the Canucks than they could just be like, "Fine if everybody is gonna lowball Luogno we'll just trade Schneider for a kings ransom, than 9 teams will be left to fight for scraps. Than Burke will lose his job for missing the playoffs agin. Luongo has 6 years left at 5.3 cap hit that's nothing for a goalie of his caliber.

I have a bit of a conspiracy theory. Gillis is giving the media a bit of a "F*ck you" for everything they've done the past two years. Gillis and Luongo are purposely leaking Luongo's trade demands. How would something like this get out so easily and quickly? It had to have been Luongo. No one in the organization would leak it, unless they wanted it out. Than Gillis back tracked in the media saying, "I don't know where something like that could get out, but Roberto hasn't asked for a trade" Their must have been teams lining up for Schneider's services and were willing to throw a huge package for him. Now that he's "off the table" teams will get desperate and will up the anti. Gillis will use both goalies to get the best possible return. I honestly can't see Gillis trading Luongo for nothing. I obviously want Schneider, but if the Canucks can get a massive deal for Schneider, go for it. His price will be high because Luongo is willing to wave his NTC. Schneider is worth a premier, first line, young forward. He's that good. He's worth a Nash or Perry.

He's not the number one because there is a goalie, who's going to be the best in the league, behind him. He's low maitenance, cheap, young and intelligent. you'd have to be freaking stupid to not play Schneider. Luongo can handle pressure. Vancouver is a top five pressure market in the NHL. He's handled it fine. Especially recently. There's close to 10 teams looking for an upgrade in goal and the Canucks have the two biggest pieces. You think Luongo has no value? Think again. If Toronto tries to low ball the Canucks than they could just be like, "Fine if everybody is gonna lowball Luogno we'll just trade Schneider for a kings ransom, than 9 teams will be left to fight for scraps. Than Burke will lose his job for missing the playoffs agin. Luongo has 6 years left at 5.3 cap hit that's nothing for a goalie of his caliber.
- Boinker

Or Luongo could be simply a piece with several other players/prospects/picks in order to get a bigger return. And again, there's more teams out there than the so-called 'list' that would love an upgrade over who they have. One goalie from the Canucks will be gone via trade at or before the draft along with a few others to help us address our needs for next year. Many people, including Canuck fans don't realize or forget that Gillis prefers to go the moneyball route, including using advanced stats, to sign/trade for players who are undervalued, but with the right development can exceed their contract/expectations. See Higgins/Lapierre for examples.

if he has no baggage, then why is he not the Canucks' #1 goalie anymore?

He is not more prepared for the media. He has shown himself to not handle media pressure well at all, over and over again.

This is rationalization. There might be a sucker out there who will chump up something of value for him , but in the absence of a competitive market for his services, that seems almost impossible— no matter how you value him (as someone your team wants to trade!)

I can see a small handful of teams sniffing around: Columbus, maybe Toronto. But the size and term of the deal is going to mean Gillis gets marginal return, unless the GM in question is committing career hara kiri.
- John Jaeckel

I am not going to say that he doesn't have any baggage, but I believe that he is not the number one goalie because he has baggage or played bad, but because Corey is turning into an elite goalie (albeit as a backup)

If Corey can play 60 - 70 games like he played 30 (he did it in the AHL) then that is why he is our possible number 1. He is better then Lu and Lu is very good.

Lu has had a "few" bad games at very bad times in the playoffs. He has had a few bad regular season games. But he has had hundreds and hundreds of spectacular games.

I say Lui is a top 10 goalie at worst and when he is on his game top 5. I just think Shnids is just a bit better and a lot younger.

Roberts called Gillis a moron... That wasn't very smart of him.
- Scooby_Doo

I would've called him worse.

It's hard to trade Edler without getting a better defenseman back this summer as well. Weber is a pipe dream if you ask me... As is Suter. I don't really see who would be available to replace Edler if we trade him?

That being said, if we can find someone to pick up Edler's minutes, I'd like to package him with Luongo and get more some more value back in a trade with Tampa.
- nucks_94

Luongo Edler and Tanev for Hedman and Connolly

I would've called him worse.
- DrChristianTroy

For what? Trading your precious Cody? Kassian will be a more impact-full player. Offensive player's who can only play in the other teams zone are easy to find. Players that weigh 230 lbs, that can skate better than the aforementioned Hodgson, are not easy to find. He was in his rookie season last year, and at times could physically fend off big 30 year old defenseman. Wait until this kid develops and gets comfortable.

I agree we need to trade some or all of them, but our needs are better served by drafting or getting prospects, as our pool isn't very good. With the trade of Hodgson and Schneider no longer being a prospect, we have no real high-level prospects. Schroeder and Jansen (and now Kassian) are our default best ones but by the rest of the league standards are mid-level at best. We have no potential #1 stud defenseman in our system, but a lot of 3-4 defensemen. It's been our hole ever since Bourdon passed away.
- DariusKnight

Did van receive any compensation when he died, like an extra draft pick or anything? I forget

Luongo Edler and Tanev for Hedman and Connolly
- VANTEL

Hmmmm. Good value there for both sides.

Did van receive any compensation when he died, like an extra draft pick or anything? I forget
- bryant

No.

Luongo Edler and Tanev for Hedman and Connolly
- VANTEL

I don't think Hedman is an upgrade on Edler right now.

For what? Trading your precious Cody? Kassian will be a more impact-full player. Offensive player's who can only play in the other teams zone, are easy to find. Players that weigh 230 lbs, that can skate better than the aforementioned Hodgson, are not easy to find. He was in his rookie season last year, and at times could physically fend off big 30 year old defenseman. Wait until this kid develops and gets comfortable.
- Boinker

Gillis handled that final interview like a loser. Justified the trade by whining about Hodgson rather than admitting it might not have been the greatest timing/return for a player who was one of our top 5 scorers at the time. Own your sh!tty trade you puffy b!tch.

Is it just me or is Gillis starting to look like one of those people that's had a full face transplant...

"My precious Cody" would have made a difference down the stretch and in the playoffs. All I need to support that argument is to tell you to look at our offensive AND defensive stats prior to and following the trade. Although, now that he's not a Canuck, all the rest of you people are acting like it had to be done. It didn't. Keep drinking the kool-aid.

I don't think Hedman is an upgrade on Edler right now.
- nucks_94

Maybe not .I see a lot of laws in Edlers game.I think moving Lu for a decent return needs to be a package deal.

All this talk of how much Lu's value is and nobody ever stops to think what if your stuck with him ? Because if Scheider is gonna be as good as you all think then if im another GM then im offer sheeting him with Lu type money and long term. Good luck holding onto 2 high priced goalies

We (Canucks fans) have wanted him traded because we didn't want to lose Schneider... not because Luongo was on par with goalies like Crawford, Reimer, Hiller, Dubnyk etc... Because of this, observers like yourself and your blogger think Luongo is an awful goalie. This isn't the case, we just didn't want to lose Schneider so we ran Luongo out of town. He's still a top 10 goalie in the league, you don't find guys like him available that often.
- Scooby_Doo

I never said he was an 'awful goalie'. Also, I never read Garth blogs. Sabre fans don't read Garth blogs; everyone else does..

He might be a top 10 goalie (until April) but his contract makes him a very undesirable top 10 goalie.

Gillis handled that final interview like a loser. Justified the trade by whining about Hodgson rather than admitting it might not have been the greatest timing/return for a player who was one of our top 5 scorers at the time. Own your sh!tty trade you puffy b!tch.

Is it just me or is Gillis starting to look like one of those people that's had a full face transplant...

"My precious Cody" would have made a difference down the stretch and in the playoffs. All I need to support that argument is to tell you to look at our offensive AND defensive stats prior to and following the trade. Although, now that he's not a Canuck, all the rest of you people are acting like it had to be done. It didn't. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
- DrChristianTroy

Doug McLean said the same thing last week.He said when he was GM his face broke out with stress lines (it had a name ,your the Doc ) .He said it was very evident.He also said it when away when he stopped being GM and relaxed more.

All this talk of how much Lu's value is and nobody ever stops to think what if your stuck with him ? Because if Scheider is gonna be as good as you all think then if im another GM then im offer sheeting him with Lu type money and long term. Good luck holding onto 2 high priced goalies
- HawksGuySince85

No problem ,year long concussion like Ballard .Lack comes up Lu's salary paid by insurance like Pronger.

Maybe not .I see a lot of laws in Edlers game.I think moving Lu for a decent return needs to be a package deal.
- VANTEL

I agree. But Hedman has lots of flaws as well. I see the Luongo trade going something like Lu and Edler for Malone, Connolly, and Detroit's 1rst. This would have to be preluded by a trade for another defenseman though... There are a lot of good, young, RFA dmen this year: Weber, Green, Erik Johnson, Kulikov, Karlsson, Del Zotto etc. Maybe an offer sheet is an option.