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Apr 30 @ 12:10 PM ET
Myth....he has no baggage? I don't understand that comment unless it's to make your argument look better. Fact....he's been the best or one of the best goaltenders over the past five years, look at the consistency of his numbers. Having spent the past six seasons here, he's much more mentally prepared for the media and fans than he was when he got here. He's said as much himself. - LeftCoaster
He's terrible from a media perspective. He's the most nervous athlete with interviews I've practically ever seen ! He can't look into the camera and looks off the guy doing the interview.
This is all symantics but to say he's mentally prepared from a media perpspective is being naive or just not being an objective fan.
I agree. But Hedman has lots of flaws as well. I see the Luongo trade going something like Lu and Edler for Malone, Connolly, and Detroit's 1rst. This would have to be preluded by a trade for another defenseman though... There are a lot of good, young, RFA dmen this year: Weber, Green, Erik Johnson, Kulikov, Karlsson, Del Zotto etc. Maybe an offer sheet is an option. - nucks_94
I thought of that and it is more likely if Malone waives NTC.
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Apr 30 @ 12:12 PM ET
I hate Snow, don't get me wrong. Sather has done a pretty good job the last five years or so, hows you GM doing these days? Hows your team doing(Leino)? You need to look in the mirror. - Cptmjl
Please. Leino's contract can't be judged after one year.
Dipietro, Yashin.
'Nuff said.
Edit: I don't think Yashin was Snow's handy work but he's still paying him.
He's terrible from a media perspective. He's the most nervous athlete with interviews I've practically ever seen ! He can't look into the camera and looks off the guy doing the interview.
This is all symantics but to say he's mentally prepared from a media perpspective is being naive or just not being an objective fan. - Pairo11
And that makes him a better goalie how? In that case we should put BizNasty in goals.
Gillis handled that final interview like a loser. Justified the trade by whining about Hodgson rather than admitting it might not have been the greatest timing/return for a player who was one of our top 5 scorers at the time. Own your sh!tty trade you puffy b!tch.
Is it just me or is Gillis starting to look like one of those people that's had a full face transplant...
"My precious Cody" would have made a difference down the stretch and in the playoffs. All I need to support that argument is to tell you to look at our offensive AND defensive stats prior to and following the trade. Although, now that he's not a Canuck, all the rest of you people are acting like it had to be done. It didn't. Keep drinking the kool-aid. - DrChristianTroy
Hodgson wouldn't have played in the playoffs. That's why they traded him. AV didn't trust him enough defensively. Than his value would have gone down in the summer and maybe Gillis thought that because he didn't see any playoff time, that the trade for Kassian wouldn't be there in the summer. He took a risk. It didnt payoff this season but will in the future. With Cody this team doesn't get out of the first round.
I haven't seen a lot of meanness in Hedman's game thus far. Mind you, I've only watched him play maybe 10-15 times so I might not be the best judge. - nucks_94
Well, it's not hard to be meaner than Edler. He's waayyy too nice to be the stud defenseman we are looking for. The only stud defenseman out there who is a nice guy is Lidstrom. Every other stud defensman out there is feared by the other team because they turn buckle star player's heads into the glass and rag doll people like Chara did to McCabe.
In regards to your other post: I think there is no way Malone will wave his NTC to come to Vancouver based on the difference of what he will be taxed alone.
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Apr 30 @ 12:28 PM ET
Hodgson wouldn't have played in the playoffs. That's why they traded him. AV didn't trust him enough defensively. Than his value would have gone down in the summer and maybe Gillis thought that because he didn't see any playoff time, that the trade for Kassian wouldn't be there in the summer. He took a risk. It didnt payoff this season but will in the future. With Cody this team doesn't get out of the first round. - Boinker
Says who? Without him we lost in 5. Couldn't have done much worse.
As for Kassian, he needs major attitude re-wiring in order to live up to his potential (which is much lower than expected based on what I observed of his hockey IQ). More troubling than that, I didn't see any genuine competitiveness or attitude out of the kid at all. No hunger... All superficial "tough-guy" gestures... No real intimidation factor... Just empty emotionless interaction. He looked nervous/scared/disinterested around almost everyone he came face to face with. Barely engaged... Very disappointing.
if he has no baggage, then why is he not the Canucks' #1 goalie anymore?
He is not more prepared for the media. He has shown himself to not handle media pressure well at all, over and over again.
This is rationalization. There might be a sucker out there who will chump up something of value for him , but in the absence of a competitive market for his services, that seems almost impossible— no matter how you value him (as someone your team wants to trade!)
I can see a small handful of teams sniffing around: Columbus, maybe Toronto. But the size and term of the deal is going to mean Gillis gets marginal return, unless the GM in question is committing career hara kiri. - John Jaeckel
...its a no win situation in Vancouver, 2 good goalies that can start...one of which does have a long term contract and the other is due for a big raise..cant keep both, so the team has too deal one or the other, i was hopeing both can stay, but logic as it may seem...wont happen here in Vancouver
Says who? Without him we lost in 5. Couldn't have done much worse.
As for Kassian, he needs major attitude re-wiring in order to live up to his potential (which is much lower than expected based on what I observed of his hockey IQ). More troubling than that, I didn't see any genuine competitiveness or attitude out of the kid at all. No hunger... All superficial "tough-guy" gestures... No real intimidation factor... Just empty emotionless interaction. He looked nervous/scared/disinterested around almost everyone he came face to face with. Barely engaged... Very disappointing. - DrChristianTroy
Whle I agree with this comment 100%, I wonder how much has to do with AV looking over your shoulder the whole time. One bad, undiciplined penalty and he doesn't see the ice for a week. I agree that the Hodgson trade might have hurt us this year but I think it's too early to start calling Kassian a bust yet.
...its a no win situation in Vancouver, 2 good goalies that can start...one of which does have a long term contract and the other is due for a big raise..cant keep both, so the team has too deal one or the other, i was hopeing both can stay, but logic as it may seem...wont happen here in Vancouver - Canuckfan2006
I can't wait to see Gillis get completely fleeced in the trade. From what I have read, Luongo is a just a headcase with a bad contract. No value what so ever. The team should be lucky to get a 3rd pick for him.
I think some of the Vancouver fans trade proposals have been a little ambitious , but I think that almost every other fan base has undervalued Luongo. I’m not sure if they are just trolling or what, but I think they will be surprised at what Gillis can get for him.
Whle I agree with this comment 100%, I wonder how much having AV looking over your shoulder the whole time. One bad, undiciplined penalty and he doesn't see the ice for a week. I agree that the Hodgson trade might have hurt us this year but I think it's too early to start calling Kassian a bust yet. - fiveandagame
One bad pass and he was benched for a week.
AV's treatment of rookies is one reason why I am not a big fan of his. With the prospects we have in the system, and the potential getting a couple for Roberto, I'm not sure AV is the best coach to bring them along. AV needs to have some faith in his younger players, they can make a difference. Just look at how many PHI has in their line up and where they are at right now.
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Apr 30 @ 1:10 PM ET
The Canucks won't be landing any big names in the offseason. I do see Lu ending up in TO for liles and colborne - leafs are rumored to try and dump liles - a puck moving dman they lost when ehrhoff left and a mid level prospect who should be able to step in as a third line center.
Next I see edler and booth to nyi for bailey and hamonic with Canucks throwing in a 3rd or 4th while taking rolston back to even up salaries.
Not sexy moves but in revamps a porous d group and gives a punishing dman in hamonic.
I think gillis fails to acquire the necessary top 6 forward we need and there is no way we end up with any of Nash, parise, suter or weber.
For the people who are suggesting trading Edler, who is there in the system or on the market that could be a viable replacement?
Shea Weber is not available, and will never be a Canuck. Teams almost always overpay for young stud defenseman, which makes a replacement hard to find. Sure, a team may overpay for Edler, but unless there is someone to replace him, it's a big mistake.
The guy just turned 26, and if not for an injury last season would have his 3rd 40+ point season in a row (37 points his sophomore season, as well), he hits like a tank, and is more than decent defensively. He had some breakdowns against LA, but so did everyones BC-born saviour, Dan Hamhuis. Nobody makes any mention when the guy makes a clutch play, which he does often, but jumps on him whenever he makes a bad one. It just shocks me sometimes who ends up the whipping boy in this market.
He needs more consistency, sure, but what player on the Canucks didn't have stretches of poor play this year.
I can't wait to see Gillis get completely fleeced in the trade. From what I have read, Luongo is a just a headcase with a bad contract. No value what so ever. The team should be lucky to get a 3rd pick for him.
I think some of the Vancouver fans trade proposals have been a little ambitious , but I think that almost every other fan base has undervalued Luongo. I’m not sure if they are just trolling or what, but I think they will be surprised at what Gillis can get for him. - fiveandagame
Im hoping, for your guys' sake...that Gillis is able to realize that its NOT the freakn goalies faults for your post season failures.
IMO, your best move (given what youll likely get for Luongo) is to keep Lou, move Schneider for some actual assets and bring in some ACTUAL grit and leadership to this team. Moving Lou for under fair value (which is very likely) wont help. Both goalies are good, Lou just needs to be trusted in as your starter and not pulled after two games because the team as a whole wasnt getting it done.
Blaming Lou for the failures is a mistake, moving him for peanuts will be a bigger mistake. We will gladly take him off your hands though.
The Canucks won't be landing any big names in the offseason. I do see Lu ending up in TO for liles and colborne - leafs are rumored to try and dump liles - a puck moving dman they lost when ehrhoff left and a mid level prospect who should be able to step in as a third line center.
Next I see edler and booth to nyi for bailey and hamonic with Canucks throwing in a 3rd or 4th while taking rolston back to even up salaries.
- chompsey
Although I do think the Leafs move a defender....I very much doubt it will be Liles.
, but I think that almost every other fan base has undervalued Luongo. I’m not sure if they are just trolling or what, but I think they will be surprised at what Gillis can get for him.
