I'm guessing Raymond could be leaving, maybe Luongo if they get a good return for him.
- Thehabsfan93

Have you been on the moon for the past month?

Roberts called Gillis a moron... That wasn't very smart of him.
- Scooby_Doo

Wasn't smart of who? Roberts has a much better reputation in the league than Gillis will ever have.

Wasn't smart of who? Roberts has a much better reputation in the league than Gillis will ever have.
- p_zub

How would you know? Are you part of the league? Gillis represented many ex players, and players that are still in the league, how do you know they don't think highly of him?

The Canucks won't be landing any big names in the offseason. I do see Lu ending up in TO for liles and colborne - leafs are rumored to try and dump liles - a puck moving dman they lost when ehrhoff left and a mid level prospect who should be able to step in as a third line center.

Next I see edler and booth to nyi for bailey and hamonic with Canucks throwing in a 3rd or 4th while taking rolston back to even up salaries.

Not sexy moves but in revamps a porous d group and gives a punishing dman in hamonic.

I think gillis fails to acquire the necessary top 6 forward we need and there is no way we end up with any of Nash, parise, suter or weber.

Sedin/Sedin/burrows
Bailey/Kesler/Hansen
Higgins/colborne/lapierre
Volpatti/malholtra/kassian

Hamhuis/bieksa
Liles/hamonic
Ballard/Tanev

Schneider
Lack

- chompsey

I don't think this makes your team any better than it is now, I think your team would actually be worse. But it opens some capspace I guess.

I want Luongo though. I don't think it will be Liles but we can get a deal done. Luongo would be a good fit here, he's used to the media scrutiny and were more on the brink of playoffs then people realize. Plus,we have a very capable backup in Reimer to play 25-30 games and take some pressure off Lu

Wasn't smart of who? Roberts has a much better reputation in the league than Gillis will ever have.
- p_zub

oh well....roberts trains Hodgson....go figure

Although I do think the Leafs move a defender....I very much doubt it will be Liles.
- noename09

I agree. We gave Liles a 4 year extension for a reason. People forget the Leafs one of the youngest teams in the league, Liles is our veteran presence on the backend and will be a leader on this team. I can see him wearing the A next year.

Cause it definetely won't be Komisarek and Armstrong anymore.

Roberts called Gillis a moron... That wasn't very smart of him.
- Scooby_Doo

However I'd take Roberts judgement of a players potential over Gillis's any day.

gillis is strong in contracts and resigning. Between him and AV I don't think development is their strength.

I'd give MacT the nod if they were looking at bringing up more youth

oh well....roberts trains Hodgson....go figure
- Canuckfan2006

Exactly, what else was he going to say when he's GETTING PAID by the Hodgson family? He's not exactly a neutral observer. As far as the trade and what Gillis said at his presser, he was getting hammered since the trade deadline by the fans and media, he had to say something. It was clear the relationship between Gillis and AV and Hodgson wasn't right, and obviously Hodgson wasn't happy here. DrChristianTroy believes had he stayed he would have helped, I say it's possible, maybe even probable, but then hindsight is always 20/20. Our D is vastly overrated, and save for Hamhuis and maybe Edler when he wants to play like a Norris candidate, we don't have physical D-men that can clear the slot or in front of the net and handle players that drive to it. And the sad fact is we don't have anyone in system that is, they are all clones of the same type, a 3-4 defenseman that makes a decent first pass and can pinch and that's about it.

Wasn't smart of who? Roberts has a much better reputation in the league than Gillis will ever have.
- p_zub

Gary Roberts will NEVER be a GM in the NHL. He won't even be an agent.

What do you know about their reputations around the league? Gillis turned the Canucks into top of the class organization... not sure what Gary has done.

Exactly, what else was he going to say when he's GETTING PAID by the Hodgson family? He's not exactly a neutral observer. As far as the trade and what Gillis said at his presser, he was getting hammered since the trade deadline by the fans and media, he had to say something. It was clear the relationship between Gillis and AV and Hodgson wasn't right, and obviously Hodgson wasn't happy here. DrChristianTroy believes had he stayed he would have helped, I say it's possible, maybe even probable, but then hindsight is always 20/20. Our D is vastly overrated, and save for Hamhuis and maybe Edler when he wants to play like a Norris candidate, we don't have physical D-men that can clear the slot or in front of the net and handle players that drive to it. And the sad fact is we don't have anyone in system that is, they are all clones of the same type, a 3-4 defenseman that makes a decent first pass and can pinch and that's about it.
- DariusKnight

I think too many people are blaming Luongo for your failures. I agree Schneider is the better options of the two long term...but given that both (imo) can get the job done I think its smarter to move Schneider. ONLY because Luongo wont fetch his fair trade and you improve your team a lot more by moving Cory than Luongo.

Luongo is good enough goalie to get this team to the cup, but its not your goaltending that needs to be addressed...if you want to make BIG changes on this team you should consider moving Schneider for upgrades on defense/grit/leadership instead.

My 3 cents.

Exactly, what else was he going to say when he's GETTING PAID by the Hodgson family? He's not exactly a neutral observer. As far as the trade and what Gillis said at his presser, he was getting hammered since the trade deadline by the fans and media, he had to say something. It was clear the relationship between Gillis and AV and Hodgson wasn't right, and obviously Hodgson wasn't happy here. DrChristianTroy believes had he stayed he would have helped, I say it's possible, maybe even probable, but then hindsight is always 20/20. Our D is vastly overrated, and save for Hamhuis and maybe Edler when he wants to play like a Norris candidate, we don't have physical D-men that can clear the slot or in front of the net and handle players that drive to it. And the sad fact is we don't have anyone in system that is, they are all clones of the same type, a 3-4 defenseman that makes a decent first pass and can pinch and that's about it.
- DariusKnight

It's not "hindsight" when you make the point before things play out, which I did.

As for our "vastly overrated" D, it's not the players who are overrated... It's the management of those players. Bowness @#$%ed with the pairings so often that the guys never looked comfortable out there (what's new? same thing killed us last year & the year before & the year before that). Our best looking pairing was Ballard & Tanev because they got the most consistent opportunity together. Even so, our goals against & defensive play weren't really the problem... and they contributed to our offense as much as any defensive unit can be expected to. 3 of our 8 goals in the series were scored by d-men.

I agree. We gave Liles a 4 year extension for a reason. People forget the Leafs one of the youngest teams in the league, Liles is our veteran presence on the backend and will be a leader on this team. I can see him wearing the A next year.

Cause it definetely won't be Komisarek and Armstrong anymore.
- t_leafs21

Liles was just a name I read who might be a cap dump by the Toronto media....

I don't think this makes your team any better than it is now, I think your team would actually be worse. But it opens some capspace I guess.

I want Luongo though. I don't think it will be Liles but we can get a deal done. Luongo would be a good fit here, he's used to the media scrutiny and were more on the brink of playoffs then people realize. Plus,we have a very capable backup in Reimer to play 25-30 games and take some pressure off Lu
- t_leafs21

No it won't make us better but it wouldn't make us worse. It'd change the face of our team a bit and inject some youth that has played at the NHL level...

Hodgson wouldn't have played in the playoffs. That's why they traded him. AV didn't trust him enough defensively. Than his value would have gone down in the summer and maybe Gillis thought that because he didn't see any playoff time, that the trade for Kassian wouldn't be there in the summer. He took a risk. It didnt payoff this season but will in the future. With Cody this team doesn't get out of the first round.
- Boinker

I have to agree with the Doc ,Gillis did not handle it well .He should have just kept quiet. We are seeing MG is not superman but all in all a damn fine GM.

However I'd take Roberts judgement of a players potential over Gillis's any day.

gillis is strong in contracts and resigning. Between him and AV I don't think development is their strength.

I'd give MacT the nod if they were looking at bringing up more youth
- numbear

Whoa.

I have to agree with the Doc ,Gillis did not handle it well .He should have just kept quiet. We are seeing MG is not superman but all in all a damn fine GM.
- VANTEL

We were all waiting for the reasoning behind trading Cody... now he comes out with a taste of news and you guys jump all over him for being honest.

I applaud him for ripping the kid, the NHL doesn't need rookies telling GMs and coaches what to do, especially when it's done by the kid's father.

Wasn't smart of who? Roberts has a much better reputation in the league than Gillis will ever have.
- p_zub

As a player.

We were all waiting for the reasoning behind trading Cody... now he comes out with a taste of news and you guys jump all over him for being honest.

I applaud him for ripping the kid, the NHL doesn't need rookies telling GMs and coaches what to do, especially when it's done by the kid's father.
- Scooby_Doo

The fans wanted/needed answers, and we got one.

Seems fair, I'll agree.

I'd trade Luongo for Patrick White at this point. JUST GIVE ME THE CAP SPACE!

I'd trade Luongo for Patrick White at this point. JUST GIVE ME THE CAP SPACE!
- vancity787

Cap space great - then what? Free agency doesn't offer a lot of hope and those fa's actually signed seem to financially cripple a team - see buffalo....

Says who? Without him we lost in 5. Couldn't have done much worse.

As for Kassian, he needs major attitude re-wiring in order to live up to his potential (which is much lower than expected based on what I observed of his hockey IQ). More troubling than that, I didn't see any genuine competitiveness or attitude out of the kid at all. No hunger... All superficial "tough-guy" gestures... No real intimidation factor... Just empty emotionless interaction. He looked nervous/scared/disinterested around almost everyone he came face to face with. Barely engaged... Very disappointing.
- DrChristianTroy

Says me. Hodgson would have been the Canucks match up nightmare. Kassian was a freaking 20 year old through most of the season. At his age Hodgson was putting up unimpressive numbers in the ahl. His stat line was 17 goals 12 assists in 52 games. Kassian was 15 goals 11 assist in 30 games and got 44 games in the nhl compared to Cody's 8. Schroeder looked extremely close to Hodgson in training camp, so I dont think we lose much with that swap. Schroeder is much better defensively but lacks Hodgsons offensive vision. Not by a lot though. Come training camp Schroeder will impress all of you. We would not have won the cup with the way the team was playing even with Daniel and Cody in the lineup. It's a blessing in disguise that we went out in the first round. Extra rest for our top players and it forces Gillis to make a few needed changes.

Cap space great - then what? Free agency doesn't offer a lot of hope and those fa's actually signed seem to financially cripple a team - see buffalo....
- chompsey

Exactly. There's only two players that Gillis should intensely target and the chances of them coming here are very slim. We can't just expect to sign Parise or Suter by opening up cap space. We have enough right now to sign one of them and than make a move for cap space after. That'd be a very dumb move trading Luongo for just cap space. We can easily free up cap space with Malhotra and Ballard.

Luongo Edler and Tanev for Hedman ****and Connolly
- VANTEL

**** = denotes where Stevie Y hangs up/LOLZes

We were all waiting for the reasoning behind trading Cody... now he comes out with a taste of news and you guys jump all over him for being honest.

I applaud him for ripping the kid, the NHL doesn't need rookies telling GMs and coaches what to do, especially when it's done by the kid's father.
- Scooby_Doo

I think if Gillis would have just said Yes Cody did request a trade a few times .I would have been happy with that answer.

You know how the media are out East.We will never know what went on inside the closed doors,but CBC ,TSN will jump all over it and it will become headlines. In free agency the UFA will look at the twisted facts built up by the media and say maybe I don't want to go there. I can't see what Gillis said helping the situation.

I'd trade Luongo for Patrick White at this point. JUST GIVE ME THE CAP SPACE!
- vancity787

Luongo makes 5.3
Youll need to resign Schneider...dosnt exactly give a ton of extra cap space if you move him for nothing. Plus, consider that whatever you trade Luongo for, there will be cap coming back.