- Sheppy99

Furious

edit: you leaf fans sure do love your memes

No, Luongo has no value becasue the majority of other fans, dislike the Canucks, Canucks fans and Luongo.

Which facts are you refering to? Luongo's career stats or other "unmovable" contracts like Gomez, Campbell, Carter ect.?
- fiveandagame

He is not completely untradeable. There is a very small market.
Just dont expect a big return.
Thats been the crux of the debate the entire time, which some nuck fans just didnt want to hear.

Moving that contract IS the value.
U want a valuable asset back? then take a bad contract in return.

Campbell got nothing back. (olesz?) They wanted to get rid of the salary, and thats what they got for it.
How do u think mtl feels about that deal now?? U think other gm's dont see this?

Carter was completely different. Not to mention that Philly was in a position of strength, not the other way around

No. Because it's common sense that the market for a guy who has his contract wont be big.
Not to mention the nucks clearly dealing from a position of weakness.

U dont want to pay 2 goalies? U want good value? Deal schneider instead.
Interested?... I didnt think so. And everybody knows this.
- hugefemale dog77

Is it?

I think the market for a goalie who can win is there.

I think teams will compare the value of winning and playoffs versus the value of his contract long-term.

What's the average tenure of a General Manager? 4-5 years?
Teams/GM's under pressure to win now would make sense to me.
Take Lou on an win, you look like a genius. If it doesn't work out, you were probably out the door anyways.

Also, with the rate the salary cap seems to be going up, that "huge" contract will be average when Lou isn't capable of starting anymore.

I'm not suggesting outrageous return, but it's there. Just wait.

People, people.

You have trolls in here from teams that are the "bottom of the barrel". The butt of league jokes. The embodiment of pathetic. Ignore and they have to go back to their own team threads.

Then reality sets in. That's punishment enough.

He is not completely untradeable. There is a very small market.
Just dont expect a big return.
Thats been the crux the entire time which sone nuck fans just didnt want to hear.

Moving that contract IS the value.

Campbell got nothing back. (olesz?) They wanted to get rid of the salary, and thats what they got for it.
How do u think mtl feels about that deal now?? U think other gm's dont see this?

Carter was completely different. Not to mention that Philly was in a position of strength, not the other way around
- hugefemale dog77

the difference between Campbell and Luongo is that when Campbell was traded:

a) he was believed to be on the decline where as Lu has shown very consistent numbers

b) Chicago was up against the cap whereas Vancouver is not

c) Campbell is not a goalie which has shown to be the most valuable position to fill in the NHL

Now, I am not saying Lu will get a huge windfall in a deal but he won't be dumped either. the Canucks have options including trading Schneider...

This whole garbage about his contract being unmovable and only a dump is narrow-minded, short-sighted and idiotic. Like a said before, something like J-M Liles and Colborne for Lu (and possibly a mid-round pick). Not great but decent. Thats the kind of deal you will see......

the difference between Campbell and Luongo is that when Campbell was traded:

a) he was believed to be on the decline where as Lu has shown very consistent numbers

b) Chicago was up against the cap whereas Vancouver is not

c) Campbell is not a goalie which has shown to be the most valuable position to fill in the NHL

Now, I am not saying Lu will get a huge windfall in a deal but he won't be dumped either. the Canucks have options including trading Schneider...

This whole garbage about his contract being unmovable and only a dump is narrow-minded, short-sighted and idiotic. Like a said before, something like J-M Liles and Colborne for Lu (and possibly a mid-round pick). Not great but decent. Thats the kind of deal you will see......
- chompsey

One counterpoint is Campbell was not asking to be traded.
That detracts from value in most situations.

One counterpoint is Campbell was not asking to be traded.
That detracts from value in most situations.
- Cfser

Just like it detracted from Nash's value....thank you, come again......

I also have a solution for you. Since you guys are having so much trouble deciding between RNH, Hall or Eberle for Luongo, just ask for all three. Problem solved

No thanks is needed guys. We're all friends here
- Sheppy99

Please try and make your jokes funny.

U mean like 0 cups in 40 years?
What about the presidents trophy and a first round exit?
Last years choke?

Pathetic like that? Butt of those jokes? .... Nah, not interested.

So now that we shut the monkey up, im interested in talking about the luongo deal again.
- hugefemale dog77

We're trying but you don't seem to be

I started to feel a little empathetic to Lu's situation. Felt bad for the guy. A friend quickly reminded me about Lu's contract negotiation.

After Gillis got the twins signed (which was a steal) he started to concentrate on Luongo who was entering the final year of his deal. Lu gave the Canucks a September 13 deadline to come to an agreement before ceasing negotiations for the upcoming season. I remember all Canuck fans stressing that a deal wouldn't get done. Our first franchise goalie could slip to free agency.
Boom, in early September Gillis signed him to a 12-year, $64 million contract extension.

Lu had Gillis (and the Canuck faithful) by the short and curlys. Didn't do this organization any favours. I no longer feel sorry for Lu.

One counterpoint is Campbell was not asking to be traded.
That detracts from value in most situations.
- Cfser

Uh, Luongo didn't ASK to be traded, he just said if a deal was out there he would be willing to waive his no-trade clause. There's a HUGE difference between saying that you would waive your no-trade to demanding a trade. Here's the thing, one goalie WILL be moved, it is LIKELY although not CERTAIN that goalie will be Luongo. We do have other goalies in the system that have the potential in 3-4 years to be as good, if not better, than Schneider, which means that yes, we are in a position of strength. The fact is, while keeping Schneider would be the ideal situation, it's not assured as if someone were to offer a huge package for him, I'm sure Gillis would consider it.

Just like it detracted from Nash's value....thank you, come again......
- chompsey

??
The jackets couldnt/didnt trade him cause other teams wouldnt pay the price howson asked. Hence, His value was lower in there eyes ( opposing gm's) than the home teams.

Not sure this was a good reference for your rebuttal.

I'm just trying to help

What about Crosby and Malkin for Luongo? or is that enough, Crosby does have his concussion issues......... I'd probably ask for Staal as well
- Sheppy99

What about Schenn for JVR? Or maybe the 2nd overall? Or Schenn and Kulemin for Malkin?

The difference. Leafs fans actually proposed these deals.

U and the one liners bud!.. As i said before, Pure genious to come up with those witty remarks.
- hugefemale dog77

Well I tried responding on topic but you seem to pick and choose responses.

and they're not 33 with 10 year long contracts but hey who pays attention to that stuff.

Luuuuuuuuuuuu
- Sheppy99

But these were serious proposals that Leafs fans put out. No Canuck fan has proposed anything close to what you have claimed.

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The jackets couldnt/didnt trade him cause other teams wouldnt pay the price howson asked. Hence, His value was lower in there eyes ( opposing gm's) than the home teams.

Not sure this was a good reference for your rebuttal.
- hugefemale dog77

No, point is that Howson wasn't going to give Nash away below his value and from my understanding Sather nearly did pay it.....had Howson actually traded him for less, then you'd be correct but no, didn't happen.....

- pker2theend

Guys, he's gonna be a real good goalie. He's gonna make so many super saves and be awesome next season. Just you wait guys.

Uh, Luongo didn't ASK to be traded, he just said if a deal was out there he would be willing to waive his no-trade clause. There's a HUGE difference between saying that you would waive your no-trade to demanding a trade. Here's the thing, one goalie WILL be moved, it is LIKELY although not CERTAIN that goalie will be Luongo. We do have other goalies in the system that have the potential in 3-4 years to be as good, if not better, than Schneider, which means that yes, we are in a position of strength. The fact is, while keeping Schneider would be the ideal situation, it's not assured as if someone were to offer a huge package for him, I'm sure Gillis would consider it.
- DariusKnight

How the Hell do you keep Luongo after the way the play-offs played out? His "good of the team, I'm not a selfish player' translates into move me please.

Is it?

I think the market for a goalie who can win is there.

I think teams will compare the value of winning and playoffs versus the value of his contract long-term.

What's the average tenure of a General Manager? 4-5 years?
Teams/GM's under pressure to win now would make sense to me.
Take Lou on an win, you look like a genius. If it doesn't work out, you were probably out the door anyways.

Also, with the rate the salary cap seems to be going up, that "huge" contract will be average when Lou isn't capable of starting anymore.

I'm not suggesting outrageous return, but it's there. Just wait.
- Mattjd123

This.

No, point is that Howson wasn't going to give Nash away below his value and from my understanding Sather nearly did pay it.....had Howson actually traded him for less, then you'd be correct but no, didn't happen.....
- chompsey

Ok. So by howson keeping nash and not getting the desired return, this somehow validates your luongo is valuable theory?

Couldn't you photo shop similar pics for optimus reim? the reimminister? He saves everything...
- nucks_94

Ok. So by howson keeping nash and not getting the desired return, this somehow validates your luongo is valuable theory?


- hugefemale dog77

Just as much as Nash not getting moved validates yours....

and they're not 33 with 10 year long contracts but hey who pays attention to that stuff.

Luuuuuuuuuuuu
- Sheppy99

Ok, here's a trade proposal: Lu, Raymond, Bieksa + our 1st (22nd) for Reimer, Gardiner and Kessel + your 1st (5). Fair value for both teams, we trade underachieving horrible goaltenders being run out of town by the fans, small cherry picking forwards with no heart or drive and can barely stand on their skates, and our second best defensemen. Plus picking 5th you aren't going to get a #1 center anyways since both Grigorenko and Galchenyuk will go before you pick and there's a huge drop off in forward talent after Galchenyuk and you have more than enough defensemen already.

This.
- Mattjd123

So what do you expect to get for him?