It's pretty clear he's out to get Philly.
Damn Shanny!!!!
- stormey

Out of all the posts to respond to with this, you picked his?

It's pretty clear he's out to get Philly.
Damn Shanny!!!!
- stormey

Um dont spin my words. I said the consistency in suspensions is ridiculous. We can go over the head shots if you like.

Its the inconsistancy. Some players get away with a hit like that, and others dont. Did Giroux deserve it? Just as much as Malkin and Neal deserved it. So why did Giroux get one, and the other didn't.

The real lesson here is, you have to take the guess work out of this. Don't discipline based on "intent" The rules need to read any contact that's initial point of contact is the head will result in a suspension. From there you can use "intent" or "severity" to decide the length of the suspension.

Also, while your taking such a close look at head shots, also get rid of other real dangerous hits like charging hits, or boarding hits.
- RooNosHockey

You know what I find difficult with the severity is the league makes a quick turnaround to dish out suspension due to the game upcoming. They take into account if the players was injured, what to say the players resume to action within the game. But starts to feel the affect of the hit 24-48 hours later, how can you backtrack on a suspension thats already been handed out.

Um dont spin my words. I said the consistency in suspensions is ridiculous. We can go over the head shots if you like.
- stveshdy

OK. Go.

So do they dress Meszy and leave it at 7 d-man with the Giroux suspension? Seems like a smart move, since the D looks gassed after the first period...

IMHO the suspension is irrelevant at this point...they looked dead in the water last night...maybe they try to rally a little, but I doubt it...

i do not have the whole scene leadin g to g hitting zubrus, but apparently marty played the puck in the no play zone and did not get whistled leading g to his hit on zubrus and yelling at the refs for a no call.

So do they dress Meszy and leave it at 7 d-man with the Giroux suspension? Seems like a smart move, since the D looks gassed after the first period...
- steelydan

i say play the black aces and anyone who wants to fight (to win games not fist fight)

Very disappointed in G's action. Not the best time to lose your composure.

Whether it was suspendable based on criteria laid out by Shanny is immaterial. What is material is his selfish play that forced the league to make a decision.

In a time when the season is imploding all around them, it's time for your best player/arguably future captain to keep a cool demeanor about him and lead by example. And that was a poor example of how to help lead your team back into the series.
- 77rams

+1, well said.

It is a measure of the extreme incompetence of Shanahan that he goes on and on about how Giroux is clearly frustrated, points to the ref, slashes his stick against the boards etc. In other words, if he does not display such emotion and does it in a premeditated fashion, like Malkin (who does it as part of his style all the time) or Neal (without apparent provocation or any display of anger) then he can get away with a fine or an excuse that he was trying to avoid colliding into Zubrus.

The NHL is a joke. By far the worst officiated professional sport in the world, except world cup soccer, where they have country quotas for the refs.

So do they dress Meszy and leave it at 7 d-man with the Giroux suspension? Seems like a smart move, since the D looks gassed after the first period...
- steelydan

If he's healthy you def go that route.

Hartnell-Briere-Voracheck
Simmonds-Schenn-JVR
Jagr-Read-(Rotating)
Talbot-Couturier-Wellwood

Is Ovechkin getting a game for leaving his skates?
- stveshdy

nope, god bless

OK. Go.
- stormey

If he's healthy you def go that route.

Hartnell-Briere-Voracheck
Simmonds-Schenn-JVR
Jagr-Read-(Rotating)
Talbot-Couturier-Wellwood
- Pat MaGroin

where is Sami Kapanen when you need him

It is a measure of the extreme incompetence of Shanahan that he goes on and on about how Giroux is clearly frustrated, points to the ref, slashes his stick against the boards etc. In other words, if he does not display such emotion and does it in a premeditated fashion, like Malkin (who does it as part of his style all the time) or Neal (without apparent provocation or any display of anger) then he can get away with a fine or an excuse that he was trying to avoid colliding into Zubrus.

The NHL is a joke. By far the worst officiated professional sport in the world, except world cup soccer, where they have country quotas for the refs.
- PT21

exactly. if he wants to suspend g for that hit he needs to retroactively suspend malkin, neal, weber and many many others for multiple games, then i'll say g deserved the game.

no question


i still consider him my favorite player in the league. but it doesnt mean he's above criticism
- Crimsoninja

No player is above criticism, but he's # 20 on the list. There is an entire roster of players that deserve it before he does.

The suspension makes complete sense. It's obviously going to sting for Philly because there are a few around the league that deserved at least the same but never happened.

Shanahan shat the bed yet again, but not with this suspension, with the non-suspension of others.

The suspension makes complete sense. It's obviously going to sting for Philly because there are a few around the league that deserved at least the same but never happened.

Shanahan shat the bed yet again, but not with this suspension, with the non-suspension of others.
- markmark

so he needs to stay consistent and not suspend giroux. he either has the hammer or doesn't and when other players in his class get away with worse, suspending him shows bias.

Game 26 against the Islander, sure.

Game 4 of a series against a team about to place you one loss away from PO elimination, nope.
- 77rams

So, by this token Crosby getting into fights (he asked to fight Schenn, who declined) after his conky; AO's last hit, Neal... all absolutely unforgivable? You are being too harsh.

Game 26 against the Islander, sure.

Game 4 of a series against a team about to place you one loss away from PO elimination, nope.
- 77rams

There wouldn't have been a game # 1 of any playoff series without him. Hell he's the only guy who showed any fight at all. The rest of the team went through the motions. At least Giroux showed some fire. He just channeled it the wrong way.

Edit: And by the rest of the team I'm excluding the goaltender who did all he could to keep his team in the game.

For me, the outrage is about the inconsistency of Shanny. I would have no problems with G sitting a game if Weber, Malkin, and Neal got what they deserved as well. Weber deliberately slams a stars face into the glass and gets nothing but a parking ticket. Malkin targets multiple Flyers in the head, injuring Grossmann, and gets a pat on the back. Neal takes 2 deliberate, dangerous runs at 2 key players and gets a game (with a history). It's absolute garbage by the league.

Kudos to Zoobs for an Academy Award on the play as well, sprawling to the ice for 3 minutes as if he'd been hit with a missile then returning to score the game winner
- LetsGoFlyersss

my exact feelings. I don't get Shanahan's decisions. Weber specificially

Coburn has to go high there. That side, the only Flyer left is Briere. If he lets his man go, so does Briere, given what he is, and then that man is open instead of Zubrus. Hartnell showed his dumb there. The only thing I can think of is he thought he was playing with Jagr, who would normally not be down so low to receive the pass from KImmo. He did not expect Kimmo to be beat so clean.
- PT21

With the way the Flyers play in the defensive zone, your right, he does have to. But it's still a point that teams look to exploit. Hartnell screwed up. He was in the defensive Center position. You could also argue that Briere being on the puck side should drop down low. But I put it mostly on Hartnell.

exactly. if he wants to suspend g for that hit he needs to retroactively suspend malkin, neal, weber and many many others for multiple games, then i'll say g deserved the game.
- flyerscup2011

OR......Giroux could have NOT acted like a 5 year old....tracked down ZUbrus and DELIBRITELY hit him in the head with a shoulder....that would keep him on the ice as well

It is a measure of the extreme incompetence of Shanahan that he goes on and on about how Giroux is clearly frustrated, points to the ref, slashes his stick against the boards etc. In other words, if he does not display such emotion and does it in a premeditated fashion, like Malkin (who does it as part of his style all the time) or Neal (without apparent provocation or any display of anger) then he can get away with a fine or an excuse that he was trying to avoid colliding into Zubrus.

The NHL is a joke. By far the worst officiated professional sport in the world, except world cup soccer, where they have country quotas for the refs.
- PT21

Your point is valid. I agree that Shanahan has been too inconsistent in his calls/non calls this playoffs. ALL of those offenses should have met with suspensions imo. However two wrongs don't make a right and suspending Giroux one game is the proper verdict imo. Hopefully, Shanahan will get/stay tough on these calls moving forward.

Giroux fully deserved his suspension. Too many of us Flyer fans whine and complain when one of our guys gets hit, and yet act like nothing is amiss when we do it to another team.

It was an embarrassing moment for Giroux, from the second he turned his back to the play to complain to the ref, to charging up the ice to lay a big hit. As far as I'm concerned this shows that he's not ready to be captain of this team. Very, very immature. He hurt his own team to make a selfish point.

So, who is in? Harry Z? Rinaldo? Does it matter? Can they really do anything differently that will enable them to not lose game 5 on home ice?