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ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 7 @ 3:56 PM ET
Puzzling maybe, but not relevant. It's like getting a speeding ticket. Sure, everyone else is speeding too, but you're the one who got caught.

It's also the fact that the hit was born out of his frustration 10 seconds prior that makes it premeditated. It makes it seem much worse that those other hits.

Giroux should make a statement and apologize to his teammates.

- FlyerGuy


I really don't need him to make a statement, I'm sure he will address his teammates and be remorseful. As a fan, I'm pretty sure he understands the gravity of his mistake. It was a heat of the moment mistake that I'm sure he wishes he could do over.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 7 @ 3:56 PM ET
No apology necessary. Giroux has countless times put the team on his back this year, time for his teammates to pick him up.
- PLindbergh31



It is neccessary. Giroux put himself before the team there. The latter point I agree with wholeheartedly.
Ripped Fuel
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 11.01.2006

May 7 @ 3:57 PM ET
if there's any day that this team deserves to be trolled it is today

we should just suck it up and take our lumps, imo

- Crimsoninja



You guys are like my old friends......the day to day responsibilities of life make it tough to stay in touch...

....but i ALWAYS show up for the funerals....
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 7 @ 3:58 PM ET
not from what Im watching
- Ripped Fuel

You've missed a LOT of Sid, then.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

May 7 @ 3:58 PM ET
I don't have a problem with the suspension. When you look around the playoffs there have been worse shots or players leaving skates that are not being held to the same standard.
- stveshdy

yeah, but in this case it was the whole play. After complaining to the ref he charged up the ice to make a big hit to take out his frustrations.

There may have been technically worse hits this year that went unsuspended, but his had a whole predatory feel to it after the non-call on Brodeur.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 7 @ 3:58 PM ET
You guys are like my old friends......the day to day responsibilities of life make it tough to stay in touch...

....but i ALWAYS show up for the funerals....

- Ripped Fuel

thankfully Lindy will live (and be employed as coach) forever
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 7 @ 3:58 PM ET
It is neccessary. Giroux put himself before the team there. The latter point I agree with wholeheartedly.
- MJL


Who do you think gets the call into the lineup?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 7 @ 3:59 PM ET
thankfully Lindy will live (and be employed as coach) forever
- Crimsoninja


Lindy Ruff, the Andy Reid of the NHL.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

May 7 @ 3:59 PM ET
Why does he go on and on about what happened the past 60 seconds as if it proves intent? Clearly, it establishes that Giroux is mad and perhaps wants revenge. No one disputes interference/roughing.

But how does it establish Giroux is mad and is specifically targeting head? If Giroux had been laughing for the past 60 secs and thrown that exact same hit, would that have meant a lesser fine?

- PT21


The action speaks for itself. The head was the primary point of contact. I haven't watched the Shanny explanation vid clip yet, but you're correct in saying that what led up to the hit is really a moot point.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 7 @ 4:00 PM ET
Who do you think gets the call into the lineup?
- stveshdy



No idea, but it really doesn't matter. The players who are regulars will get extended minutes.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

May 7 @ 4:00 PM ET
yeah, but in this case it was the whole play. After complaining to the ref he charged up the ice to make a big hit to take out his frustrations.

There may have been technically worse hits this year that went unsuspended, but his had a whole predatory feel to it after the non-call on Brodeur.

- FlyerGuy


but who cares, he let malkin, neal, weber and ovechkin off for much worse
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 7 @ 4:00 PM ET
yeah, but in this case it was the whole play. After complaining to the ref he charged up the ice to make a big hit to take out his frustrations.

There may have been technically worse hits this year that went unsuspended, but his had a whole predatory feel to it after the non-call on Brodeur.

- FlyerGuy


No different than Neal. He was complaining about a hit he took to the knee. He than ran Couturier without the puck and then headhunted Giroux with the intent to injure (with a previous history) and got 1 game. Makes no sense at all.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 7 @ 4:01 PM ET
Exactly. It sucks for flyers fans that it happened, but letting this hit go unpunished would just set the league back further.
- rmdevil313

Yes.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

May 7 @ 4:01 PM ET
Exactly. It sucks for flyers fans that it happened, but letting this hit go unpunished would just set the league back further.
- rmdevil313


That's the thing though. I don't mind if Giroux is the precedent. Do you really think that all of these hits will be called down the line into next season? Not likely. The Grioux suspension, for lack of better words, was random. There's nothing about his hit that set him apart from Neal/Malkin/Weber/Ovechkin/etc. Nothing at all. If anything, the first-time offender status should have worked in his favor.

Instead, it truly does look like Shanahan spun his wheel of suspensions and it landed on 1 game. I don't wanna hear this sh*t about him having a hard job and everything isn't black or white. Of course it isn't. But when fans of all teams can come to one conclusion and Shanahan often reaches the other conclusion, it should be brought to somebody's attention.....
stormey
Location: it is Babsy turning a boy into a man - JL0961
Joined: 10.13.2005

May 7 @ 4:01 PM ET
thankfully Lindy will live (and be employed as coach) forever
- Crimsoninja

well played.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 7 @ 4:02 PM ET
Lindy Ruff, the Andy Reid of the NHL.
- PLindbergh31

Oh snap, thems fightin' words
Ripped Fuel
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 11.01.2006

May 7 @ 4:02 PM ET
Lindy Ruff, the Andy Reid of the NHL.
- PLindbergh31



I admit hes not quite the Cup wimmer Lavi, Barber, Hitchcock, John Stevens, all have been leading the Flyers....its tough for Lindy to win the cup when you guys do every year
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 7 @ 4:02 PM ET
No idea, but it really doesn't matter. The players who are regulars will get extended minutes.
- MJL


I guess we could see some new lines again come tomorrow.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 7 @ 4:02 PM ET
Shanahan shat the bed yet again, but not with this suspension, with the non-suspension of others.
- markmark


Saltier wording than I would've used but I agree with the sentiment.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 7 @ 4:02 PM ET
Who do you think gets the call into the lineup?
- stveshdy


I would go with Sestito. Another big body can't hurt. Flyers are being pushed off the puck like infants.
Rally_Shots
Joined: 07.24.2008

May 7 @ 4:03 PM ET
Lindy Ruff, the Andy Reid of the NHL.
- PLindbergh31


Similar seasons last year between the two teams. Big expectations, bad results.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 7 @ 4:03 PM ET
I would go with Sestito. Another big body can't hurt. Flyers are being pushed off the puck like infants.
- PLindbergh31


Is he even available to play yet?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 7 @ 4:04 PM ET
Giroux deserved the suspension. It was a dirty play. The Flyers became the Penguins in this round. Maybe having Giroux out will force the team to work simpler and harder. I doubt it though. If I see a great effort in Game 5 thats all I want to see.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 7 @ 4:04 PM ET
I admit hes not quite the Cup wimmer Lavi, Barber, Hitchcock, John Stevens, all have been leading the Flyers....its tough for Lindy to win the cup when you guys do every year
- Ripped Fuel


You used to be more original, and mildly entertaining. This is weak sauce Sir.
markmark
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.27.2010

May 7 @ 4:05 PM ET
That's the thing though. I don't mind if Giroux is the precedent. Do you really think that all of these hits will be called down the line into next season? Not likely. The Grioux suspension, for lack of better words, was random. There's nothing about his hit that set him apart from Neal/Malkin/Weber/Ovechkin/etc. Nothing at all. If anything, the first-time offender status should have worked in his favor.

Instead, it truly does look like Shanahan spun his wheel of suspensions and it landed on 1 game. I don't wanna hear this sh*t about him having a hard job and everything isn't black or white. Of course it isn't. But when fans of all teams can come to one conclusion and Shanahan often reaches the other conclusion, it should be brought to somebody's attention.....

- steelydan


As much as you wouldn't want it to, human nature plays a part here. The whole "grey area" argument becomes a little less grey because of Giroux's actions prior to the hit. It's easier for Shanahan (and more likely for any person) to deem it malicious because they go "yup, look he's mad". Where as with other plays its not so clear cut because it is happening "heat of the moment".
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