4. Leclair. Bertuzzi. Stevens. Iginla. Horton. Just some other Power Forwards who were traded due to impatience that left their former suitors regretting the decision afterwards.
- mochoson

Just to play Devil's advocate, there's an even longer list of lottery-pick power forwards that never even came close to meeting their potential... Pyatt, Torres, Alexeev, Nystrom, Jessiman, Bernier, Fehr, Ladd, Wheeler, Olesz, Gillies, etc.

JvR's nowhere near as bad as most of those guys, but by that same token, he hasn't accomplished as much as relative disappointments like Ladd and Wheeler either. He's got plenty of time to prove himself, but that contract extension does accelerate the time-table considerably.

- Crimsoninja

Theres Dr.'s I work with that are around this team so much its sick. One of them is best friends and a next door neighbor to Lava. Another one is friendly with both Pronger and Timonen because all three of their wives and their kids are close.

I honestly never bring it up because...

A) I totally get the skepticism
B) Theres really no point, cause I legally can't share 90% of the poop I know anyway.

edit: Kudos on the Donald Glover + community gif

But yeah, I've acquired knowledge about this team most people dont know and never will know. It's not really anything worth bragging about (again, for the reasons listed above), so I hope no one takes it that way.

I honestly ment to include something along the lines of "including other factors", rushed post.

Simple point that PWF's are typically late bloomers, and these "calling for JVR's head" are entirely to premature for me.
- mochoson

I see the Jets in your location (ha), the Jvr discusion brings to mind Wheeler. Blake Wheeler is a guy just starting to realize his potential, reminds me of Jvr, with Jvr having a higher ceiling.

Wheeler looked dominant in a few games I watched him. Big guy, strong skater, takes the puck to the net.

the idea that we are even talking about Parise has my head spinning

I guess a top six forward almost has to leave then in a trade for a defenseman

Parise... it's crazy, but I'd love it if it happens... one of my favorite players
- Marc D

I think it's all speculation. But one thing that has been said that I totally agree with is that the Flyers always make a splash of some kind.

I see the Jets in your location (ha), the Jvr discusion brings to mind Wheeler. Blake Wheeler is a guy just starting to realize his potential, reminds me of Jvr, with Jvr having a higher ceiling.

Wheeler looked dominant in a few games I watched him. Big guy, strong skater, takes the puck to the net.
- Marc D

He was hands down the Peg's best forward all season.

I don't follow Winnipeg closely at all, mind you. I bleed black and orange.

However, Im also a huge Dallas Stars fan. Also pretty big into the Preds, Blues, Panthers, and Oilers.

Going in other forums and discussing a team usually comes with the "Your a dumb idiot Philly fan, you don't even watch non-Flyers games".

So I just picked a random team to piss everyone off and said (frank) it.

I think it's all speculation. But one thing that has been said that I totally agree with is that the Flyers always make a splash of some kind.
- MJL

I realize, the thing is everyone expects the splash to come in the form of a D man, but if Suter isn't going to work, and they end up signing a forward to trade for a D man, well, its very interesting to say the least.

Theres Dr.'s I work with that are around this team so much its sick. One of them is best friends and a next door neighbor to Lava. Another one is friendly with both Pronger and Timonen because all three of their wives and their kids are close.

I honestly never bring it up because...

A) I totally get the skepticism
B) Theres really no point, cause I legally can't share 90% of the poop I know anyway.

edit: Kudos on the Donald Glover + community gif

But yeah, I've acquired knowledge about this team most people dont know and never will know. It's not really anything worth bragging about (again, for the reasons listed above), so I hope no one takes it that way.
- mochoson

the docs have to be very careful, all this patient info stuff is highly protected by the HIPPA laws

the docs have to be very careful, all this patient info stuff is highly protected by the HIPPA laws
- Marc D

I mean I can't speak for them. Personally, I've never heard of them discussing anything patient related outside of the practice. It's not just current Flyers that come in here a lot. Theres plenty of former Flyers and personal that make their way through here.

A couple of them are very friendly with them outside of work. As I said, the one Dr. who I'm very familiar with is actually Lava's next door neighbor and a good friend.

This partciular Dr. has relayed to me some interesting conversations he's had with Pete, but I'm not about to dive into any of that. If anyones curious, shoot me a message or something.

I mean I can't speak for them. Personally, I've never heard of them discussing anything patient related outside of the practice. It's not just current Flyers that come in here a lot. Theres plenty of former Flyers and personal that make their way through here.

A couple of them are very friendly with them outside of work. As I said, the one Dr. who I'm very familiar with is actually Lava's next door neighbor and a good friend.

This partciular Dr. has relayed to me some interesting conversations he's had with Pete, but I'm not about to dive into any of that. If anyones curious, shoot me a message or something.
- mochoson

I think your either going to share it or your not. And if you can't. Better off not saying anything or hinting at anything. That includes privately.

I think your either going to share it or your not. And if you can't. Better off not saying anything or hinting at anything. That includes privately.
- MJL

Certain information I absolutely refuse to share for obvious legal reasons.

But other stuff, such as comments relayed from Lava/Snider/Homer/Players, I'll share if someones interested. I'm not typing out all of that just for an entire board's worth of fans to go.....

"Oh yeah? thats awesome. I don't believe a word of it, but good for you. I mean if you could prove it, maybe."

So what does Carle's contract look like (years/money)? Any educated guesses?

So what does Carle's contract look like (years/money)? Any educated guesses?
- stveshdy

5 years 24 mil



hopefully

My article on Jagr is now online at the Flyers' official site:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=631504

Certain information I absolutely refuse to share for obvious legal reasons.

But other stuff, such as comments relayed from Lava/Snider/Homer/Players, I'll share if someones interested. I'm not typing out all of that just for an entire board's worth of fans to go.....

"Oh yeah? thats awesome. I don't believe a word of it, but good for you. I mean if you could prove it, maybe."
- mochoson

That's my whole point. It would undoubtedly be met with skepticism. But why tease with it?

My article on Jagr is now online at the Flyers' official site:

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=631504
- bmeltzer

Nice article. When I watched Homers press conference I just got the feeling that the Flyers were going to let Jagr test the market. If his price is too high, I think they move forward without him.

That's my whole point. It would undoubtedly be met with skepticism. But why tease with it?
- MJL

Exactly.

And back to the reason I think JVR doesnt fit, and I've said this time and time again is his cap hit, the emergence of the new blood this season at wing, and the need to put more money into the D. It's not a knock on him as a player... I just dont see how the team can address it's biggest needs with him at that hit right now.

Schenn-He's a more expensive version of Grossman. Slight upgrade in skating and offense. Not enough that warrants his acquistion.

Tyutin: Contract is atrocious. Pass

Visnovsky: Would love to add him, Ducks not willing to move him. Cap hit high, but a deadline deal next year (which would be either the last year or second to last year of his deal, if I'm not mistaken) is desireable.

Wisniewski: See Tyutin.

Giordano: 29 other teams in the league want this (frank)er. His deal is absolute steal as well. He's Calgary's best dman by a wide margin. No way the Flames move him.

Bogosian: Very intriguing player. Not sure if he's worth what it would take to acquire him, but he's a very talented player.
- mochoson

Schenn is a bit of a mystery because he's so young still. I'd probably wait to see him develop a little more before trading for him.

Bogosian I think is a top-pairing D after another year, and a guy who can move the puck a lot better than Coburn and Grossmann and who has a good shot on the power play, which is lacking for Philly right now.

I also realize the other D all have problems, but I think Holmgren should at least inquire about what it would take to land those players. Knowledge is power and even with bad contracts, those guys could likely help this team with the likelihood of Pronger not returning and Timmonen in the twilight of his career.

That's my whole point. It would undoubtedly be met with skepticism. But why tease with it?
- MJL

I dont know. Id be interested in your opinion personally on some of the subject matter. Most of what I know isn't all that farfetched, mainly specifics that I think most would find interesting.

Theres a reason I've never really brought it up before though, and I'm not gonna mention it any further.

I wouldn't trade JVR to move up in the draft. IMO that's a waste of an assett. Philly's first pick and a player and prospect may get them something in the top ten.
Tampa needs a goalie. Why not offer Bob and Philly's first to Tampa for the ten pick if the guy you want is available.
I would love for the flyers to get Reinhart. He has an NHL body already and his favorite player is Weber. If PH has it in his mind to go after Weber then why not try and get this kid. Weber would be a great mentor for the kid.

I wouldn't trade JVR to move up in the draft. IMO that's a waste of an assett. Philly's first pick and a player and prospect may get them something in the top ten.
Tampa needs a goalie. Why not offer Bob and Philly's first to Tampa for the ten pick if the guy you want is available.
I would love for the flyers to get Reinhart. He has an NHL body already and his favorite player is Weber. If PH has it in his mind to go after Weber then why not try and get this kid. Weber would be a great mentor for the kid.
- bird_dog

For Tampa to give up that high of a pick. I would think they'd want a more established Goalie. Or at least one with a higher upside.

Exactly.

And back to the reason I think JVR doesnt fit, and I've said this time and time again is his cap hit, the emergence of the new blood this season at wing, and the need to put more money into the D. It's not a knock on him as a player... I just dont see how the team can address it's biggest needs with him at that hit right now.
- hereticpride

Well here is a sample Roster with the rumored 69M Cap ceiling. You'll see that it leaves them plenty of room. I estimated for Voracek and Carle.

James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jakub Voracek ($3.500m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Matt Carle ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,696,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,303,056

If I'm the Flyers and I sign Parise. Then I think I'm trading either JVR or Voracek.
- MJL

No question. Thats the move to make if they could land Parise.

For Tampa to give up that high of a pick. I would think they'd want a more established Goalie. Or at least one with a higher upside.
- MJL

That may be the case but Bob has a attractive cap hit if he is the main guy, and a roster player like Wellwood or Gus, Nick Cousins, and the flyers pick 20-22 in that area I think could get done.
I don't know Tampa's cap situation nor can I look it up but I can't see them giving up a ransom for Luongo, or T Thomas. Tampa has a group of decent young Dmen so it may be worth their while.

That may be the case but Bob has a attractive cap hit if he is the main guy, and a roster player like Wellwood or Gus, Nick Cousins, and the flyers pick 20-22 in that area I think could get done.
I don't know Tampa's cap situation nor can I look it up but I can't see them giving up a ransom for Luongo, or T Thomas. Tampa has a group of decent young Dmen so it may be worth their while.
- bird_dog

I don't think it would. Tampa isn't going to choose it's Goalie for the future and give up that high pick just based on an attractive Cap hit. And a decent depth player isn't going to sweeten that pot enough.

Bobrovsky is an unproven NHL backup. Regardless of his talent. He doesn't have that kind of value.

"... the [type of player the] Flyers need to step onto their top pairing and better compete with the New York Rangers' extremely deep and talented blueline for years to come. "

The New York Rangers only have two defensemen committed beyond this year (Staal and Girardi). They've gort four depth D-men who are UFA's this summer, Stralman and DelZotto are RFA's this summer, and McDonagh and Sauer are RFA's after next summer. Girardi only has two years left before he's a UFA.

So yes, the Rangers have a deep and talented blue line, but I don't know how deep or for how many years to come, given their need to sign a back-up goalie this summer, along with the pending UFA status of Lundquist, Callahan and Gaborik in 2014. And those are just the major pieces to be managed (e.g., Fedotenko and Prust are UFA's this summer and Zucarello will be looking for a raise as an RFA).