Nash toews stalberg would be a large 1st line trade bolland +picks prospects for #2c Kruger is 3c resign mayers or find a serviceable 4c add suter

Kane for Nash....please God no. I can't help thinking that would be monumentally stupid. Adding $1.5MM a year more than Kane's hit to simply replace the same role on the top line, and add another four more years of $7.8MM/yr cap hit.....

You still have Nash, Toews and......who? Does not solve the problem.

Add the missing parts, don't swap for similar parts.

Again - big winger, 19 and 88, and a serviceable second line center for 10 and 81, and your top six is solid.

Make the run at Suter and fill the roles with better players than the O'D and Brunette types and they are in the mix. Maybe there will be money left over for a goalie or a trade deadline deal to cover for injury.
- Return of the Roar

WHAT THE FFFFFFFFF IS ALL THIS LOVE FOR STALBERG??????????? the guy is a modern day version of peter marsh!
here, in these 2 semi's ,you can't tell me that this kid would be a top 6 on any of these 4 teams left? no F'n way jack!!! , the guy is at best a 3rd liner or on most teams a 4th line player!
for once i hope stan bowman could bam boozle teams into thinking this kid is all what you guys make him out to be and turn him into assets coming back.
ex.......if there is, and only speculation a kane for nash deal out there and you have your heart set on brassard also but the jackets like stalberg.............guess what vic! here's your plane ticket to columbus!
if you were even lucky enough to discuss both of thoses guys coming this way, it would probably be 6-8 total pieces involved in the deal going both ways!
we need size that can score and a 2nd line center.....i would love brassard and nash coming back this way!
kane won't be dealt because of this latest crap, but i will say that if a hockey deal is being discussed to help both teams, he is not untouchable like 19!
and furthermore, he won't stop mis behaving or should i say stay out of the view, booze, broads,partying, it's in his blood! nothing wrong with that, but fly low kid, will ya! i don't think he can! he'll be another mark bell! you can make book on that one! it's a matter of time some cop in the burbs nails him with a D U I or possession!

1 Stalberg can score he's got size and speed and he,s cheap!!

Just kinda thinking out loud here. I know this borders on blasphemy, but:

What if Stan has known what he's doing all along?

When they signed Toews and Kane, their contracts each ate up about 12% of the cap of $52M (IIRC) at the time. Should the cap move up to $72M next year, they have the same players with two more years of experience signed for only 8.75% of the cap each.

Each of these long term contracts has talented players tied to the team at an ever decreasing portion of the cap. This allows for more money each year to be spent filling in the team. It's a given that this year Stan's (Q's?) choices were less than ideal and he was unwilling to pay the price at the TDL. Still, they could be in a prime position to fill the roster very effectively this year.

Making a bid on a player like Suter while not being required to shed anyone from the core would have been unthinkable last summer. What if it was all part of a bean counter's master strategy?
- NewToHockey

Don't forget there may be other CBA changes coming too. I gotta think that teams will be able to pay some of the salary when they move players, like MLB.

Look what the Cubs are paying the fish and BoSox to take psycho-path-Z and Byrd off their hands. For Z it's $15.45M of the $18M he's being paid. For Byrd, its his $6.5M minus the pro-rata $480k MLB minimum.

Wings will have close to 21 million with 17 players signed while the Hawks have close to 6.9 million with 20 players signed.

I don't get why people on here are wondering if the Wings can afford Suter if Lidstrom retires when they can afford him (at a 7.5 cap hit) even if Lidstrom came back at 6.2 million.

Stuart is gone and that's why they traded for Quincey to replace him. Holmstrom retires imo. Hudler is gone...someone will overpay him like Buffalo did with Leino. Helm won't cost more than 2 million per (i don't think unless it's a long term deal) and Abdelkader isn't worth more than 1.5 million at most. Nyquist should be full time next season and so should Brendan Smith.
- dcz28

Cause Detroit sucks?

A father's will will never hold a candle to a wife and mother of your children wants and needs. I think this have more bearing than proximity. Hell with Ryan's new contract, he can afford to fly old Bob around the states if need be.
- slash&smash

Ask yourself this: Where'd he get more exposure? A quaint, small country music town with great BBQ? Or, the big city, with a huge market and the greatest logo in all of sports?

NSH has a big issue to solve with their highest paid players. Can they put together an even better team (can't believe your guys lost to PHX) with three $7M players?? Even with a $72M cap, that doesn't mean NSH will spend to that cap. Can they figure out how to build a solid team with 30% of their payroll going to only 13-14% of the roster.

Don't forget there may be other CBA changes coming too. I gotta think that teams will be able to pay some of the salary when they move players, like MLB.

Look what the Cubs are paying the fish and BoSox to take psycho-path-Z and Byrd off their hands. For Z it's $15.45M of the $18M he's being paid. For Byrd, its his $6.5M minus the pro-rata $480k MLB minimum.
- blackhawk24

A cap complicates it: Player making $6MM - gets traded, new team takes on the cap hit.

Original team now sends $2MM to new team along with the player: who takes the cap hit? All to the new team? Split it 4 and 2? New team gets 4, old team -0-?

Cap hit sports want to end long term, large contracts, not make it easy to get out of them.

Kane for Nash....please God no. I can't help thinking that would be monumentally stupid. Adding $1.5MM a year more than Kane's hit to simply replace the same role on the top line, and add another four more years of $7.8MM/yr cap hit.....

You still have Nash, Toews and......who? Does not solve the problem.

Add the missing parts, don't swap for similar parts.

Again - big winger, 19 and 88, and a serviceable second line center for 10 and 81, and your top six is solid.

Make the run at Suter and fill the roles with better players than the O'D and Brunette types and they are in the mix. Maybe there will be money left over for a goalie or a trade deadline deal to cover for injury.
- Return of the Roar

Depends. If they play a more slogging it out style like St Louis or New Jersey or LA or to a certain extent Nashville then Nash > Kane

If they continue to mold themselves after Detroit then they should keep Kane as he fits the mold for that style better.

Ask yourself this: Where'd he get more exposure? A quaint, small country music town with great BBQ? Or, the big city, with a huge market and the greatest logo in all of sports?

NSH has a big issue to solve with their highest paid players. Can they put together an even better team (can't believe your guys lost to PHX) with three $7M players?? Even with a $72M cap, that doesn't mean NSH will spend to that cap. Can they figure out how to build a solid team with 30% of their payroll going to only 13-14% of the roster.
- blackhawk24

Nashville may or may not be able to pay the bills or want to pay all the bills or have to pay all the bills in 3 years anyways. A team like Chicago that not only has a rabid fan base but the money and power of a billion dollar organization behind it kind of helps.

Speaking of Phoenix and losing... How about that Sutter... Actually making coaching adjustments and playing an entertaining style of hockey, who would have thought? Good for him, I hope they win and that Brown gets the Conn Smythe.

Would Frolik be in your outgoing mix ? He's in mine.
- philco28

I think Al's info. is right, Stalberg is the likelier one to be moved.

Nash toews stalberg would be a large 1st line trade bolland +picks prospects for #2c Kruger is 3c resign mayers or find a serviceable 4c add suter
- southernhawk

If Nash comes, Stalberg will likely go the other way (with company). Just saying.

If Nash comes, Stalberg will likely go the other way (with company). Just saying.
- John Jaeckel

I think stalberg would pull more back than fro my self.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but I would luv the new CBA to include an ability for clubs to move cash, plus players, in transactions...just like MLB.

If the Hawks could offer cash plus Frolik for instance, it would make moving him easier. This ability in general would make moving pricey players, or players with long term contracts easier....at least in theory.
- ArlingtonRob

MLB does not have a salary cap. Makes that kind of deal easier.

A cap complicates it: Player making $6MM - gets traded, new team takes on the cap hit.

Original team now sends $2MM to new team along with the player: who takes the cap hit? All to the new team? Split it 4 and 2? New team gets 4, old team -0-?

Cap hit sports want to end long term, large contracts, not make it easy to get out of them.
- StLBravesFan

Cap complicates it a little but not much. They can agree monies sent will average across the life of the contract to the acquiring team + allow the acquiring team to go above the cap that average amount or some agreed-to percentage.

So for instance if the 'Hawks moved Montador and are paying $3M towards his deal, that would be $1M a year for the 3 remaining years of the deal. The acquiring team would have the $2.75M cap hit, but their cap would artificially rise $1M and the 'Hawks would have that $1M count against their cap, just like a buyout would.

I'd imagine that with all these genius minds at play here, they could arrive at some middle ground.

Nashville may or may not be able to pay the bills or want to pay all the bills or have to pay all the bills in 3 years anyways. A team like Chicago that not only has a rabid fan base but the money and power of a billion dollar organization behind it kind of helps.

Speaking of Phoenix and losing... How about that Sutter... Actually making coaching adjustments and playing an entertaining style of hockey, who would have thought? Good for him, I hope they win and that Brown gets the Conn Smythe.
- fattybeef

I'm totally not surprised. Not.one.bit. Darryl was one of my favourite 'Hawks players in his relatively-short NHL tenure and got shafted by FO BS as a HC.

That team is making complete asses of PHX, as they should and how the 'Hawks could have and NSH could have. Good for them. Too bad the "fan base" pretty much like all sports in CA ... sucks.

Well, that's 7 FO wins per sh1t - should put him in the top 3 in the league, I would think.
- StLBravesFan

I think its supposed to represent shots, as in shots on goal, not shifts

I'm totally not surprised. Not.one.bit. Darryl was one of my favourite 'Hawks players in his relatively-short NHL tenure and got shafted by FO BS as a HC.

That team is making complete asses of PHX, as they should and how the 'Hawks could have and NSH could have. Good for them. Too bad the "fan base" pretty much like all sports in CA ... sucks.
- blackhawk24

Amen to that...

The cap hit is the total salary divided evenly by the number of years on the deal.

For example, if Suter were to sign for 6 years at $36 million, his cap hit would be $6 million.

I'm sure you could spread out the actual salary like you've shown, but the cap hit would be the constant average.
- EKolb13

Didn't get to reply to this yesterday... Thanks for the information...

Cap complicates it a little but not much. They can agree monies sent will average across the life of the contract to the acquiring team + allow the acquiring team to go above the cap that average amount or some agreed-to percentage.

So for instance if the 'Hawks moved Montador and are paying $3M towards his deal, that would be $1M a year for the 3 remaining years of the deal. The acquiring team would have the $2.75M cap hit, but their cap would artificially rise $1M and the 'Hawks would have that $1M count against their cap, just like a buyout would.

I'd imagine that with all these genius minds at play here, they could arrive at some middle ground.
- blackhawk24

But again - what the leage wants to do is make it hard to get out of long, large-dollar contracts - so that clubs will think twice before signing them.

They don't want to make it easy to get rid of mistakes.

If Nash comes, Stalberg will likely go the other way (with company). Just saying.
- John Jaeckel

What your realisitc view of where Stalberg can play now.. and where he would top out at.. are the two the same?

But again - what the leage wants to do is make it hard to get out of long, large-dollar contracts - so that clubs will think twice before signing them.

They don't want to make it easy to get rid of mistakes.
- StLBravesFan

Fine. Language can be put in there to place limits on deals. PA will balk at first, then there will be some agreement. Where it lands, who knows.

But it is not impossible, in fact easy IMO to put rules in place for moving monies, capping the max deal etc etc. NBA has a form of a max contract. NHL can do something similar.

Eklund is saying that he thinks the new CBA will have a one time out for bad contracts.

There is a growing belief that the new CBA will include a clause that will allow teams amnesty on one bad contract, similar to the one the NBA passed through where teams are given the chance to waive a single player contract... but teams are still bound to pay the players' salary... however, the salary comes off the Cap and the player becomes a UFA again....presumably a UFA who might play for very little given he is already making pretty good money.

So if this does happen, I'm thinking Rusty is the salary the Hawks tank?

Kane for Nash....please God no. I can't help thinking that would be monumentally stupid. Adding $1.5MM a year more than Kane's hit to simply replace the same role on the top line, and add another four more years of $7.8MM/yr cap hit.....

You still have Nash, Toews and......who? Does not solve the problem.

Add the missing parts, don't swap for similar parts.

Again - big winger, 19 and 88, and a serviceable second line center for 10 and 81, and your top six is solid.

Make the run at Suter and fill the roles with better players than the O'D and Brunette types and they are in the mix. Maybe there will be money left over for a goalie or a trade deadline deal to cover for injury.
- Return of the Roar

Totally agree! Adding players that complement 19, 88, 10 and 81 should be the goal especially in a salary cap era where you can't just try to buy championships (i.e. NY Yankees). If you can add a decent winger and 2C with some size that should be the ticket to complete our top 2 lines. Other than Doan, Jones and Stoll the UFA list doesn't have a lot to choose from to fill these roles so the trade route may be more likely.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tea...08&hubname=nhl-blackhawks

Does Cullen really think OD has one more year left in the tank?

Eklund is saying that he thinks the new CBA will have a one time out for bad contracts.



So if this does happen, I'm thinking Rusty is the salary the Hawks tank?
- Lido_Shuffle

Why? Wirtz is already paying him and he's not counted against the cap - leave him be in Rockford.

Other issues with the amnesty: the NBA's amnesty is only for players who were on the rosters when the CBA was signed (last December) - Boozer could be amnestied, someone signed this summer couldn't be.

And - only one amnesty for the life of the CBA.

Need to be careful how you use it.

I'd love to see Rick Nash with the Hawks, that being said, why would you trade the only player that can put the puck on a string to him constantly. I say put all the eggs in the basket for Suter. Move Sharp and Bolland to Pittsburgh for Jordan Stall and Ben Lovejoy. Trade Hammer and get Malone and Thompson.