would be said to see him go, even if it's a good deal for the flyers.

like I said, youth is wasted on the young. But I got married in my early 20's too so... not that I'm not in love anymore, but yea the debt is piled up

- JoeRussomanno

Oh, no worries, you can have youth and piles of debt at the same time now

Yogurt?! I hate Yogurt! Even with strawberries!
- BulliesPhan87

Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz!

This may have detonated about 20 pages of opened can of worms

- JoeRussomanno

I'll be at work ignoring it all.

People need to realize, Bryzgalov has 8 years left and a NMC. He's the goalie. If thy make a goalie move, it will be to bring in a veteran back-up.

Oh, no worries, you can have youth and piles of debt at the same time now
- BulliesPhan87

Yep. It's called college

I don't understand why people don't understand they have their goalie. get used to/over it already.
- funmaster18

They need to trade JvR for Nabokov!!!

Fear is the path to the dark side. Much fear, I sense in you.
- funmaster18

if the dark side gives me the ability to force lightning and sith choke hold people then so be it.
oh wait we already have that guy...
yes yes much to learn I still have

Yep. It's called college
- Jsaquella

Exactly. Still got a bit of that on my plate, ugh.

would be said to see him go, even if it's a good deal for the flyers.
- OrangeBlack27

agreed. very, very said

Exactly. Still got a bit of that on my plate, ugh.
- BulliesPhan87

HA! I got the debt without the degree!


Wait. Man that sucks

if the dark side gives me the ability to force lightning and sith choke hold people then so be it.
(snip) oh wait we already have that guy...
(snip) yes yes much to learn I still have (snip)
- JoeRussomanno

Remember, the dark side is not stronger, only quicker, easier, more seductive.

Yep. It's called college
- Jsaquella

yes but the original situation was about a youth who got a full scholarship to a division 1 school but turned it down to stay local with his gf.

HA! I got the debt without the degree!


Wait. Man that sucks
- Jsaquella

I'm in this club. Some would consider it consolation that most I know who did get the degree are in no better position employment-wise, yet have plenty more debt. I'm not that kind of person, though.

agreed. very, very said
- aightwebang17

more pathetic than my socks

Remember, the dark side is not stronger, only quicker, easier, more seductive.
- BulliesPhan87

Oh so by July first I can choke hold people through the computer?! Im in where do I sign, I think this guy is trust-worthy to teach me

agreed. very, very said
- aightwebang17

You're just sucking up because he was pissed you vouch for crims and not him

I was talking to a friend of mine and she overheard her grandma saying that these days you need to try as many on as you can before you settle down. Make sure you get the right fit.
- phi1671

smart woman... but problem is her advice could lead to her g-daughter being labled as something and those labels usually aren't conducive to engagement rings unless her occupation is... oh nvm I'm not making any stripper pole references here..

I'm in this club. Some would consider it consolation that most I know who did get the degree are in no better position employment-wise, yet have plenty more debt. I'm not that kind of person, though.
- BulliesPhan87

what you have to do is get an employer who is willing to pay your student loans

They need to trade JvR for Nabokov!!!
- Jsaquella

Is this not the accepted wisdom of the populace?

Is this not the accepted wisdom of the populace?
- JoeRussomanno

I'm sure some want to trade him just for cap space

agreed. very, very said
- aightwebang17

I'm sure some want to trade him just for cap space
- funmaster18

wonder if any of them noticed NJ do to Lundqvist what they did through most of the series to Bryzgalov last night, hmmm oh wait he's a Flyers goalie so he sucks anyway...

I'm in this club. Some would consider it consolation that most I know who did get the degree are in no better position employment-wise, yet have plenty more debt. I'm not that kind of person, though.
- BulliesPhan87

That is something I have found to be true in some cases. I have a good job, and my debt is manageable. I know folks with degrees that haven't been able to find work for a long time.

Oh so by July first I can choke hold people through the computer?! Im in where do I sign, I think this guy is trust-worthy to teach me

- JoeRussomanno

He's been known to pull the 'bait and switch' on his students, fair warning.

6'3" & 220, who plays as if 5'6" 170.

I have no doubt that Giroux, Talbot, Hartnell & Simmonds would skate head first through a brick wall if that's what it took to win. Can't say the same with JVR. He's content and comfortable playing the perimeter and avoiding any meaningful contact. Been that way since day 1.

How the hell do you need to be prodded to use every bit of size and speed to create chaos? By this stage of the game, you either have it or you don't, and he clearly doesn't have it. Some things you can't teach.

No doubt a 65-70 point player if paired with Giroux. A Hartnell with more skill minus the physicality and nastiness. If not on the score sheet, invisible. If Holmgren is fine with this, so be it. But for the 2nd overall pick & skill set/package, a major disappointment.
- LW2530

The kid is 23 and is coming off a injury plagued year..

I love how the focus is always.. "He was the #2 pick". So lets see what we actually have in JvR.

We have a young hybrid power forward. Lets set this straight right off the bat. He is not, and never will be, John LeClair. He isnt Milan Lucic or Scott Hartnell.

JvR is more like Jeff Carter than those players. He isnt 6'3'' 220. He is 6'3'' 200lbs. He isnt a hulking player.. but he absolutely knows how to use his size. After his rough start to last season, he turned around and really took off. How much so? He was only leading the team in goal per game avg. From January on. Only Jeff Carter had more goals in the second half of the season. JvR was scoring at a 40 goal pace over the last three and a half months of the season. He took over in the playoffs and showed what he is capable of.

JvR is soft and doesnt hit. So the 107 hits he dished out last year is actually a farce. His isnt nasty. I would totally disagree. He doesnt drive the net, yet was directly involved in a bunch of goal crease scuffles, goals, and made contact with Marty on several occasions.

How about this. Be patient. Big guys take a bit of time to mature. They no longer can rely on the fact that they are bigger than the rest. His adjustment period is right on par with other top flight big guys.


Joe Thornton:
1st season- 55 games 3 goals, 4 assists 7 points
2nd season- 81 games 16 goals, 25 assists 41 points
3rd season- 81 games 23 goals, 37 assists. 60 points

Jeff Carter:
1st season- 81 games 23 goals 19 assists 42 points
2nd season- 62 games 14 goals 23 assists 37 points
3rd season- 82 games 29 goals 24 assists 53 points

Milan Lucic:
1st season- 77 games 8 goals 19 assists 27 points
2nd season- 72 games 17 goals 25 assists 42 points
3rd season- 50 games 9 goals 11 assists 20 points

Scott Hartnell:
1st season- 75 games 2 goals 14 assists 16 points
2nd season- 75 games 14 goals 27 assists 41 points
3rd season- 82games 12 goals 24 assists 36 points

JVR:
1st season- 78 games 15 goals 20 assists 35 points
2nd season- 75 games 21 goals 19 assist 40 points
3rd season- 43 games 11 goals 13 assist 24 points*

*Like Bill said.. he started the year at a 60 point pace.. and injuries derailed him. He has shown over his career his play gets better as the year goes on.. 65+ points really werent out of the question this season.. but injuries prevented that.

Ultimately, JvR is developing like a lot of other bigger players in the NHL. Have patience!