And a year ago, oiler fans were telling me linus omark was a superstar. Same with peckham, lander, etc.. Not all of you, but there are a lot of koolaid drinkers in oilers nation.
- prock

Like you said "Not all of you" but I agree every team has it's share but in efforts to support your claims you try to muddy the water.

Car crash... Bobby Orr, where the h*ll did you pull that out?????
- Tapdog

Its simple. I say gardiner better than petry. You say I think he's good. The only way that's true is if you feel jeff petry is almost as good as god.

In reality, jeff petry is a decent depth pairing guy, and at 24, will likely not be much more than that, ever. Possible, but not likely. Gardiner had a great season at 21, and could end up as a solid first line two way dman. Norris? No. Elite? Nope. Possible he even never repeats his rookie season, like sam gagner. Who knows. But he was one of the best young dmen around this season. Let's say, top 10 under 23.

Like you said "Not all of you" but I agree every team has it's share but in efforts to support your claims you try to muddy the water.
- Tapdog

How so? You're trying to equate more hits and blocked shots as making him the better player, over more points and better +/-. That's silly.

How so? You're trying to equate more hits and blocked shots as making him the better player, over more points and better +/-. That's silly.
- prock

What is silly, looking at a players complete game? You try to throe out other names etc to take the topic in another direction because facts are facts.
You take this like it is personal. Gardiner is a defenseman I would like on the Oilers adn I am not saying he is no good, I am just saying in MY estimation Petry had a better year. I have not said he will be better in the future, both look to trend to be very good dmen, the age difference is regardless, Petry wanted to stay in College and finish so that makes him less of a prospect because he did not jump at the dollars?

Its simple. I say gardiner better than petry. You say I think he's good. The only way that's true is if you feel jeff petry is almost as good as god.

In reality, jeff petry is a decent depth pairing guy, and at 24, will likely not be much more than that, ever. Possible, but not likely. Gardiner had a great season at 21, and could end up as a solid first line two way dman. Norris? No. Elite? Nope. Possible he even never repeats his rookie season, like sam gagner. Who knows. But he was one of the best young dmen around this season. Let's say, top 10 under 23.
- prock

U know your stuff.

Its simple. I say gardiner better than petry. You say I think he's good. The only way that's true is if you feel jeff petry is almost as good as god.

In reality, jeff petry is a decent depth pairing guy, and at 24, will likely not be much more than that, ever. Possible, but not likely. Gardiner had a great season at 21, and could end up as a solid first line two way dman. Norris? No. Elite? Nope. Possible he even never repeats his rookie season, like sam gagner. Who knows. But he was one of the best young dmen around this season. Let's say, top 10 under 23.
- prock

Good God you make no sense,

sorry I did not know you were a scout or something along those lines to make to call on Petry being no more than depth.
This all makes sense now!

What is silly, looking at a players complete game? You try to throe out other names etc to take the topic in another direction because facts are facts.
You take this like it is personal. Gardiner is a defenseman I would like on the Oilers adn I am not saying he is no good, I am just saying in MY estimation Petry had a better year. I have not said he will be better in the future, both look to trend to be very good dmen, the age difference is regardless, Petry wanted to stay in College and finish so that makes him less of a prospect because he did not jump at the dollars?
- Tapdog

And in my estimation gardiner did. You replied by telling me its a fact, because of more blocked shots and hits, over points and +/-. That's unreasonable on your end, to say the least.

And in my estimation gardiner did. You replied by telling me its a fact, because of more blocked shots and hits, over points and +/-. That's unreasonable on your end, to say the least.
- prock

Blocked shots and hits have a lot more value to them than +/-.

IN any case, this debate is retarded. Both very promising young dmen. Cant we possible just leave it at that, or is the pissing contest over each teams respective millionaires really that important?

And in my estimation gardiner did. You replied by telling me its a fact, because of more blocked shots and hits, over points and +/-. That's unreasonable on your end, to say the least.
- prock

More too it than that but that's ok, you think Gardiner and I think Petry, very cool!

Blocked shots and hits have a lot more value to them than +/-.

IN any case, this debate is retarded. Both very promising young dmen. Cant we possible just leave it at that, or is the pissing contest over each teams respective millionaires really that important?
- TheTaoOfSemenko

And points too?

And points too?
- prock

Tom Gilbert had more points in his rookie year.

Youre posing one stat and age as the backup for your argument. Are you really not capable of just dropping it where I suggested, as none of the ham n eggers within these threads can actually see the future as to which one of these guys will be better?

Umm, still is?
- prock

gags 75gp 18g 29a 47p +5
bozak 73gp 18g 29a 47p -7

too me they are about = maybe gags by a hair cause he was on a worse defensive team with a better +/-

my point was leaf fans overate their players.... gagner has more gp in career and they put up similar numbers... yet gagner is 22 and bozak is 26.

so who has more value? gagner>>>>>bozak

Its simple. I say gardiner better than petry. You say I think he's good. The only way that's true is if you feel jeff petry is almost as good as god.

In reality, jeff petry is a decent depth pairing guy, and at 24, will likely not be much more than that, ever. Possible, but not likely. Gardiner had a great season at 21, and could end up as a solid first line two way dman. Norris? No. Elite? Nope. Possible he even never repeats his rookie season, like sam gagner. Who knows. But he was one of the best young dmen around this season. Let's say, top 10 under 23.
- prock

So you are saying Petry has reached his potential at 24 years old

gags 75gp 18g 29a 47p +5
bozak 73gp 18g 29a 47p -7

too me they are about = maybe gags by a hair cause he was on a worse defensive team with a better +/-

my point was leaf fans overate their players.... gagner has more gp in career and they put up similar numbers... yet gagner is 22 and bozak is 26.

so who has more value? gagner>>>>>bozak
- Killbot460

dude..just dont. prock + Gagner = worst threads ever.

Clouts, please write another blog already.

dude..just dont. prock + Gagner = worst threads ever.

Clouts, please write another blog already.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

yes i kinda thought he was brainless when came to hockey. write a blog about how the oiler should bring stortini back.... we need the intensity he brings

Tom Gilbert had more points in his rookie year.

Youre posing one stat and age as the backup for your argument. Are you really not capable of just dropping it where I suggested, as none of the ham n eggers within these threads can actually see the future as to which one of these guys will be better?
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I can but truthfully I am a steak and egger..

and NO! don't ask me to divine the lotto picks for you...this gift I have does not work like that...

And points too?
- prock

Bushkorn = prock

Bushkorn = prock
- Starbuck

I miss bushkorn.

Can I just tuck in and say that because PRV, Petry, Gagner, Bozak, and Gardiner have not really played that much NHL hockey and many of them are still growing, you can probably expect every single one of them to get better. It's fun to argue about this sort of thing, but it's really all academic.

Snap! Longbottom loses it!
I can't really comment on the comparison of Gardiner vs Petry but I will say Petry over the year improved tremendously.
PRV I would have to disagree with the comment of the Oilers still being high on him. I don't believe the Oil will have any room for him in the top 6 ala Omark. He will be packaged in a trade eventually.

As far as becoming a power forward in OKC it is not happening. I seen them live a few times this year and he has been far from it.
- Cheech in Texas

Definitely. There's no way the Oilers would have sent a 20 year old down for development and decide to keep him for their future. Like I said earlier... Even though he has played very well in the AHL, and is experiencing what it's like to win, we can't forget that the guy just turned 21. Far too old for the Oilers. They'll likely trade him for a 5th or 6th rounder if they can get that.

I miss bushkorn.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Petry (as a Leaf) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gardiner (as a Oiler)

Gardiner (as a Leaf) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petry (as a Oiler)
- Starbuck

No doubt.

I have a feeling Grigorenko will be the best player to come out of this draft.

Definitely. There's no way the Oilers would have sent a 20 year old down for development and decide to keep him for their future. Like I said earlier... Even though he has played very well in the AHL, and is experiencing what it's like to win, we can't forget that the guy just turned 21. Far too old for the Oilers. They'll likely trade him for a 5th or 6th rounder if they can get that.
- laughs2907

You hit the nail on the head.
WOW I have to admit even though I knew what I was sayiing was complete bullshyte last night I couldn't help myself. It was so liberateing, so freeing to go over the top and Act like a complete idiot troll like a Leaf or Nuck troll. I knew Petry wasn't a rookie as he played a whopping 35 games the year before but of course it incited a reaction that has gone on for more than 3-4 pages of this thread. Prock I see why you do this shyte it's hilarious.
Laughs it's good to see you bring Reality into the thread. PRV is so over the hill.

No doubt.
- laughs2907

We should turn this into a Mila Kunis appreciation thread.