Gardiner is overrated, he is 1 year younger than Schenn averaged about 5:30 more minutes per game than Schenn and managed to put up a WHOPPING 8 more points.

He was also put on the 1st PP unit, Schenn was not even on a PP unit if I'm not mistaken, meaning he had more minutes, more offensive quality minutes, and didn't put up numbers much better.

Get a coach who knows what he's doing, give Schenn some confidence and responsibility, and I bet he turns into the player everyone expected him to be when he was selected 5th overall
- FinAddict

I agree about Schenn

Is it just me or does LB look like Sam Losco from TPB?

Is it just me or does LB look like Sam Losco from TPB?




- Starbuck

The cave man always gets the girl

I could definitely see Luke Schenn being in Edmonton next season, not as a part of a deal to move down in the draft, but something else. Unfortunately I have no idea what his value would be. Toronto has a plethora of DMen, and it seems more and more like Schenn might be the odd man out. Maybe they'd go for Ryan Martindale and Anaheims 2nd next year?

I'd actually be happy adding Schenn too, if we could get him and Justin Schutz I'd be pretty happy with our D.

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I could definitely see Luke Schenn being in Edmonton next season, not as a part of a deal to move down in the draft, but something else. Unfortunately I have no idea what his value would be. Toronto has a plethora of DMen, and it seems more and more like Schenn might be the odd man out. Maybe they'd go for Ryan Martindale and Anaheims 2nd next year?

I'd actually be happy adding Schenn too, if we could get him and Justin Schutz I'd be pretty happy with our D.

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- BarDownBobo

They would want a roster player or better prospect than Martindale.

I may go on hiatus until the draft is over. The blogs and the threads are becoming painful.

They would want a roster player or better prospect than Martindale.
- Jack-artist

This. Martindale was 4th lined and benched at times in the ECHL this year. He has less value than Omark.

Yeah I was just looking at previous drafts and on average it looks like if u want to move up 4-7 spots, you're giving up a late pick in that same round or a decent player. While I think Schenn is a slightly above average player...I question if him and a 5th would be enough to get a deal done.
- I-own_da-Northwest

Oh it wouldn't be enough, but I can see it as a starting point......adding in a Kulemin/MacArthur and/or one or two other prospects/picks, it can definitely get done. With the right coach and the ability for him to grow older with those kids could do a world of good for Schenn and his confidence. I think it's worth the Oilers at least looking at if the option is available.

No. We keep prv. Take him and ashton out if the deal.

1st and a 3rd rounder
For
Gardiner and the 5th overall

Even then i dunno. U never know, but I think yakupov is gonna be the real deal.
For some reason i have more confidence in this Pick than i did either of hall or the nuge.

Doubt burke does it anyway. Hes got a major hard on for jake
- hugefemale dog77

who doesnt?

who doesnt?
- Leaffan8113

me. hard ons for other men are gay.

me. hard ons for other men are gay.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

not if you call "no homo"

No. We keep prv. Take him and ashton out if the deal.

1st and a 3rd rounder
For
Gardiner and the 5th overall

Even then i dunno. U never know, but I think yakupov is gonna be the real deal.
For some reason i have more confidence in this Pick than i did either of hall or the nuge.

Doubt burke does it anyway. Hes got a major hard on for jake
- hugefemale dog77

Yakupov is going to be the #1 overall pick.....of course he's the real deal. Its rare for a #1 not to be, especially with huis tools. But they are tools the Oilers already have and if they can improve their team in at least two other areas and for the future by trading down a few spots, they should do it.

Of course he has a hard-on for Gardiner....as he should. He was a very bright light on the team last season, when there wasn't much light at all towards the end of the season. He got better and better as the season wound down and looked very comfortable. He will be the real deal as well. That is why there is much hesitation about any trade involving him.

1st, Paajarvi and the 3rd rounder for 5th Gardiner and Ashton?

Thoughts?
- ystoil

Horrible trade for us. I'd rather have MPS over Gardiner and Ashton both invidually.

not if you call "no homo"
- Leaffan8113

neither of you did.

This.
They overrated How good there defence was gonna be by a country mile.
It was extremely mediocre.
- hugefemale dog77

No. The defense was screwed because Ron Wilson is offensively oriented. When Beauchemin was traded back to Anaheim Randy Carlyle (yes, the coach of the Leafs NOW) said something like 'I've never seen a defenseman so confused about his role in my entire playing and coaching career'. When the coach only cares for offense the defense and goalie are left to fend for themselves. Clearly our defense is stellar and has about the same depth as the Kings.

That said Komi and Phaneuf are WAY overpaid for what they contribute.

Horrible trade for us. I'd rather have MPS over Gardiner and Ashton both invidually.
- Ihatebrianburke

Gardiner>>>>>>>>MPS

Horrible trade for us. I'd rather have MPS over Gardiner and Ashton both invidually.
- Ihatebrianburke

Yeah 'cause you guys needing a a PP quarterback is clearly moronic. Oh yeah and having some size and depth beyond your top six is just plain stupid. In the playoffs you don't win with a depthy team at all.


Grow a brain and try using more than 1% of it. MPS is good but if that offer actually came to Tamby he'd jump all over it like ugly on a gorrilla.

No. The defense was screwed because Ron Wilson is offensively oriented. When Beauchemin was traded back to Anaheim Randy Carlyle (yes, the coach of the Leafs NOW) said something like 'I've never seen a defenseman so confused about his role in my entire playing and coaching career'. When the coach only cares for offense the defense and goalie are left to fend for themselves. Clearly our defense is stellar and has about the same depth as the Kings.

That said Komi and Phaneuf are WAY overpaid for what they contribute.
- optimus-reim

Agreed, but that being said, Komi was never used correctly by Ron Wilson....he was coming around towards the end of the season. That might be a good step forward. As for Phaneuf, he's looked at as being so overrated that he's underrated....if you can understand what I mean. Does he screw up? Occasionally. Does he take the odd bad penalty? Yup. But he also hits, defends his teammates, plays top minutes, plays against the other team's top forwards and contributes offensively, all the while being the captain of the most scrutinized team in the league.....no easy task I'm sure. He was top ten in the league this past season as far as I'm concerned and I don't see him taking a step back next season. Carlyle's coaching style will compliment his game, not hinder it. And yes, he makes more than he should, but not by that much. He should be in the $5 - 5.5 million range.

Gardiner>>>>>>>>MPS
- zach parise9

At one point in time Chelios>>>Lidstrom.

My point is actually more valid because they are both dmen. You're comparing a dman to a winger. Can you ever manage to post in here and not be a complete retard?

Yeah 'cause you guys needing a a PP quarterback is clearly moronic. Oh yeah and having some size and depth beyond your top six is just plain stupid. In the playoffs you don't win with a depthy team at all.


Grow a brain and try using more than 1% of it. MPS is good but if that offer actually came to Tamby he'd jump all over it like ugly on a gorrilla.
- optimus-reim

RNH already does that. Our PP was top 3. Not sure if you noticed that.

If you think Tambellini jumps all over that, you're as stupid as you claim him to be. Yakupov will be better than everyone else in the deal. To get that pick it will have to be an overpayment. Thats always the case. Thats why 1st overall rarely gets moved.

Gardiner is overrated, he is 1 year younger than Schenn averaged about 5:30 more minutes per game than Schenn and managed to put up a WHOPPING 8 more points.

He was also put on the 1st PP unit, Schenn was not even on a PP unit if I'm not mistaken, meaning he had more minutes, more offensive quality minutes, and didn't put up numbers much better.

Get a coach who knows what he's doing, give Schenn some confidence and responsibility, and I bet he turns into the player everyone expected him to be when he was selected 5th overall
- FinAddict

Gardiner is overrated, he is 1 year younger than Schenn averaged about 5:30 more minutes per game than Schenn and managed to put up a WHOPPING 8 more points.

He was also put on the 1st PP unit, Schenn was not even on a PP unit if I'm not mistaken, meaning he had more minutes, more offensive quality minutes, and didn't put up numbers much better.

Get a coach who knows what he's doing, give Schenn some confidence and responsibility, and I bet he turns into the player everyone expected him to be when he was selected 5th overall
- FinAddict

Reinhart is really high on your mock draft, wow.

Reinhart is really high on your mock draft, wow.
- Thehabsfan93

Habs fans would riot like it was 2011 if that happened.

Agreed, but that being said, Komi was never used correctly by Ron Wilson....he was coming around towards the end of the season. That might be a good step forward. As for Phaneuf, he's looked at as being so overrated that he's underrated....if you can understand what I mean. Does he screw up? Occasionally. Does he take the odd bad penalty? Yup. But he also hits, defends his teammates, plays top minutes, plays against the other team's top forwards and contributes offensively, all the while being the captain of the most scrutinized team in the league.....no easy task I'm sure. He was top ten in the league this past season as far as I'm concerned and I don't see him taking a step back next season. Carlyle's coaching style will compliment his game, not hinder it. And yes, he makes more than he should, but not by that much. He should be in the $5 - 5.5 million range.
- Phenom

Elaborate on Komisarek if you wouldn't mind?

I agree on Phaneuf though. He is underrated in the sense that he's, like you said, overrated. I hate being a Leaf fan and knowing exactly what you mean.

Carlyle will benefit this team very well. I honestly wouldn't mind him being here for 4-6 years and than going to the Red Wings and bringing in Babcock. Phaneuf for under 5.4 million is a steal IMO.