Your draft order is a bit off. Canucks have the 26th pick, due to winning the NW div. and the PT. Certainly wouldn't mind of they took Koekkoek at 26, though. Wilson and Sissons would be my other choices.
- Fosco

No. First round exit with best regular season results = 22nd overall pick.

Who is the better player right now? Gardiner.
Who has more potential? Gardiner
Who has more value? Gardiner

Only one who is a retard is you if you actually believe what that other guy was saying.
- zach parise9

Isn't Gardiner playing for the Marlies right now? As PRV is playing for the Barons for now and Looking much like last year.
Who has more potential? PRV by more than a country mile my friend.
Who has more Value? A dime a dozen offensive Dman and yes there are many out there even though Edmonton doesn't have one other than Petry and Whitney.
But a better comparrisson would be Petry to Gardiner:
Stats alone tell a huge story as both spent time in the AHL and this was both of their rookie seasons.(A fact over shadowed on Petry because of RNH.)
Both played over 70 games and Gardiner had 5 more goals than Petry same amount of assists. Petry ended up a -7 on a Oiler defense that was well below average. Gardiner ended up -2 on a overrated exp defense. next year we will see who is the gem and we will still have an up and coming power forward being taught right by Todd Nelson.

Edit after last nights play-off game PRV has more value going 2p +3 and Gardiner went 0p -2 Oh My Holy Hell Gardiner is over rated can't even stop the Oak City Barons what the hell is he going to do in the NHL if he ever makes it?

Speaking of those two, I had never heard this before but Lander and PRV played on a line together in the SEL for a season. With the way PRV and Harti are playing together in the playoffs, I wouldn't mind seeing those three as an OKC top line next year.
- Morris

I will agree with you there it would be interesting that is for sure.

(frank) trading the pick..... the only reason tambo should trade the pick is if they get a offer that he can't refuse

Isn't Gardiner playing for the Marlies right now? As PRV is playing for the Barons for now and Looking much like last year.
Who has more potential? PRV by more than a country mile my friend.
Who has more Value? A dime a dozen offensive Dman and yes there are many out there even though Edmonton doesn't have one other than Petry and Whitney.
But a better comparrisson would be Petry to Gardiner:
Stats alone tell a huge story as both spent time in the AHL and this was both of their rookie seasons.(A fact over shadowed on Petry because of RNH.)
Both played over 70 games and Gardiner had 5 more goals than Petry same amount of assists. Petry ended up a -7 on a Oiler defense that was well below average. Gardiner ended up -2 on a overrated exp defense. next year we will see who is the gem and we will still have an up and coming power forward being taught right by Todd Nelson.

Edit after last nights play-off game PRV has more value going 2p +3 and Gardiner went 0p -2 Oh My Holy Hell Gardiner is over rated can't even stop the Oak City Barons what the hell is he going to do in the NHL if he ever makes it?
- longbottom

Yeah Gardiner is playing in the AHL because the Leafs didn't make the playoffs and he is on a 2 way contract. He played 70+ games and had 30+ points this season. MPS spent a lot of the year in the minors and had what 1 or 2 goals in the NHL? Most of your post is ridiculous. Anyone who argues this crap has to be a homer to the max. MPS's value is not high and certainly not close to Gardiner's. Funny you would think otherwise.

So if I read correctly.... The only reason the leafs defense completely blew last year was that despite having totally awesome players, the coach made them suck. And the new coach will not let them suck that much.

In Edmonton we had the exact same problem I guess. New coach should end the sucking.

Cant wait.

FIXED

Oops! Yeah, OVERpaid.

I can agree with that. Wilsons system was exciting to watch on the breakout but horrible coming back. Everyone was confused, no stick, no system.

PM me sometime bud, you're down to earth unlike many people here.
- optimus-reim

Will do...thanks.

Yeah Gardiner is playing in the AHL because the Leafs didn't make the playoffs and he is on a 2 way contract. He played 70+ games and had 30+ points this season. MPS spent a lot of the year in the minors and had what 1 or 2 goals in the NHL? Most of your post is ridiculous. Anyone who argues this crap has to be a homer to the max. MPS's value is not high and certainly not close to Gardiner's. Funny you would think otherwise.
- zach parise9

Funny stuff eh? One is playing in the AHL because he was eligible and there was nowhere else to play.

The other is playing in the AHL because he wasn't good enough to stick in the NHL yet.

The comparison to Petry is funny too. He's years older and nowhere near as good.

So if I read correctly.... The only reason the leafs defense completely blew last year was that despite having totally awesome players, the coach made them suck. And the new coach will not let them suck that much.

In Edmonton we had the exact same problem I guess. New coach should end the sucking.

Cant wait.




- robin_steele264

The d didn't really suck. No doubt Wilson didn't help, in that he tried a run and gun system. And the goaltending was an issue once Reimer got hurt too.

The pk was a nightmare too.

He reminds me of the good ol' days when we had NHL calibre centers.
- optimus-reim

Yup, definitely a throwback. My ideal situation, and don't get me wrong...it won't happen, would be the Leafs somehow working out a deal with Columbus for both nash AND the #2 overall pick with the #5, Schenn, probably kulemin + going back....something along those lines. If Burke can somehow swing that without giving away the farm, he deserves at least a two-year extension.

And I realize Nash's contract is huge but we need that type of player....big, scoring Ontario-born (for you Don) leader to play with Grabo....I think it would be a great fit.

The d didn't really suck. No doubt Wilson didn't help, in that he tried a run and gun system. And the goaltending was an issue once Reimer got hurt too.

The pk was a nightmare too.
- prock

Actually yes... Yes it did.

Quit being so god damn biased.

Yeah Gardiner is playing in the AHL because the Leafs didn't make the playoffs and he is on a 2 way contract. He played 70+ games and had 30+ points this season. MPS spent a lot of the year in the minors and had what 1 or 2 goals in the NHL? Most of your post is ridiculous. Anyone who argues this crap has to be a homer to the max. MPS's value is not high and certainly not close to Gardiner's. Funny you would think otherwise.
- zach parise9

(frank), I thought he joking for a second. But that's his actual opinion!

Yeah Gardiner is playing in the AHL because the Leafs didn't make the playoffs and he is on a 2 way contract. He played 70+ games and had 30+ points this season. MPS spent a lot of the year in the minors and had what 1 or 2 goals in the NHL? Most of your post is ridiculous. Anyone who argues this crap has to be a homer to the max. MPS's value is not high and certainly not close to Gardiner's. Funny you would think otherwise.
- zach parise9

My point about Gardiner is completely valid. How many defensemen scored 30+points? Gardiners value high? Come on Gilbert in edmonton was never considered a #1 would you not agree had 33 points in his rookie season. Gardiner got 30 not 30+ not 31, 30 he was 42 out of 43 defensemen to get 30+ points this season.
On the other hand PRV may take another year but he is developing into something special A Big Power Forward with huge speed now that is rare and that is valueable. even now he would fetch more than Gardiner because offensive D-Men are a dime a dozen hell we have 2 (Whitney, Petry)in Edmonton right now and Davidson, Marincin, Gernat coming. Every team has 2-3 offensive defenseman prospects ala Gardiner. To argue that is completely homeristic or moronic.

Funny stuff eh? One is playing in the AHL because he was eligible and there was nowhere else to play.

The other is playing in the AHL because he wasn't good enough to stick in the NHL yet.

The comparison to Petry is funny too. He's years older and nowhere near as good.
- prock

Exactly. I didn't even bother responding to his Petry comparison.

Yeah Gardiner is playing in the AHL because the Leafs didn't make the playoffs and he is on a 2 way contract. He played 70+ games and had 30+ points this season. MPS spent a lot of the year in the minors and had what 1 or 2 goals in the NHL? Most of your post is ridiculous. Anyone who argues this crap has to be a homer to the max. MPS's value is not high and certainly not close to Gardiner's. Funny you would think otherwise.
- zach parise9

Gardiner for Parise?

Funny stuff eh? One is playing in the AHL because he was eligible and there was nowhere else to play.

The other is playing in the AHL because he wasn't good enough to stick in the NHL yet.

The comparison to Petry is funny too. He's years older and nowhere near as good.
- prock

So your penalizing a player for going to college? Lets see 5 points difference in his rookie season and I would rate Petry higher as he had to play top pairing minutes this year due to injury. But saying that You are overrateing Gardiner because offensive Defensemen are a dime a dozen yes even Petry also. Gardiner finished 42 out of 43 defensemen with 30+ points.

My point about Gardiner is completely valid. How many defensemen scored 30+points? Gardiners value high? Come on Gilbert in edmonton was never considered a #1 would you not agree had 33 points in his rookie season. Gardiner got 30 not 30+ not 31, 30 he was 42 out of 43 defensemen to get 30+ points this season.
On the other hand PRV may take another year but he is developing into something special A Big Power Forward with huge speed now that is rare and that is valueable. even now he would fetch more than Gardiner because offensive D-Men are a dime a dozen hell we have 2 (Whitney, Petry)in Edmonton right now and Davidson, Marincin, Gernat coming. Every team has 2-3 offensive defenseman prospects ala Gardiner. To argue that is completely homeristic or moronic.
- longbottom

How many D men get 30 points as a rookie? He is a decent all around player. MPS took a big step back this year. Nobody in their right mind would trade Gardiner for MPS. Jake has a lot more value. Whitney and Petry are older and have more experience than him, terrible comparisons. Face it you are wrong. I can bet if you did a poll, majority of people would chose Gardiner.

My point about Gardiner is completely valid. How many defensemen scored 30+points? Gardiners value high? Come on Gilbert in edmonton was never considered a #1 would you not agree had 33 points in his rookie season. Gardiner got 30 not 30+ not 31, 30 he was 42 out of 43 defensemen to get 30+ points this season.
On the other hand PRV may take another year but he is developing into something special A Big Power Forward with huge speed now that is rare and that is valueable. even now he would fetch more than Gardiner because offensive D-Men are a dime a dozen hell we have 2 (Whitney, Petry)in Edmonton right now and Davidson, Marincin, Gernat coming. Every team has 2-3 offensive defenseman prospects ala Gardiner. To argue that is completely homeristic or moronic.
- longbottom

Offensive defensemen are a dime a dozen??? Since when? That's news to me. Gardiner had 30 points, but most of them came in the 2nd half of the season when he started getting accustomed to the NHL game and speed and he started getting more confident with the puck and in his decision-making. Watch the last 20 games of the season and then tell me Paajarvi or Petry can even compare right now.

Yup, definitely a throwback. My ideal situation, and don't get me wrong...it won't happen, would be the Leafs somehow working out a deal with Columbus for both nash AND the #2 overall pick with the #5, Schenn, probably kulemin + going back....something along those lines. If Burke can somehow swing that without giving away the farm, he deserves at least a two-year extension.

And I realize Nash's contract is huge but we need that type of player....big, scoring Ontario-born (for you Don) leader to play with Grabo....I think it would be a great fit.
- Phenom

We'd have to put Komi and Lombo in the AHL to swallow that contract. But yes, I agree if Burke can do that he deserves at least a 2-3 year extension. I wouldn't even mind trading with the Islanders to be honest. They need defense and we need offense...insert Ryan Strome and draft Faksa/Forsberg/Murray/Reinhart. Golden I'd say.

The goalie situation and the bottom six is what scares me the most. Ross is going to be a great addition when he's NHL calibre, that said we still need more than just him. Scrivens is looking good but not starter good. I wish Reimer didn't get his head knocked in by Gionta.

Exactly. I didn't even bother responding to his Petry comparison.
- zach parise9

That is because you are a homer. You wouldn't acknowledge talent out side Toronto.
You want to see a future #1 in Ontario? look down the road to Ottawa at Karlsson 78 points as a Rookie. So sorry 30 points doesn't even get you rated better than Tom Gilbert 33p as a rookie.

So your penalizing a player for going to college? Lets see 5 points difference in his rookie season and I would rate Petry higher as he had to play top pairing minutes this year due to injury. But saying that You are overrateing Gardiner because offensive Defensemen are a dime a dozen yes even Petry also. Gardiner finished 42 out of 43 defensemen with 30+ points.
- longbottom

Yeah playing on the top pairing on Edmonton is a real accomplishment. A team where a 1 footed Whitney is there best D man.

How many D men get 30 points as a rookie? He is a decent all around player. MPS took a big step back this year. Nobody in their right mind would trade Gardiner for MPS. Jake has a lot more value. Whitney and Petry are older and have more experience than him, terrible comparisons. Face it you are wrong. I can bet if you did a poll, majority of people would chose Gardiner.
- zach parise9

I dunno how you're conflating current value to potential though. that's all I was ever commenting on. You're using Gardiner's success this year and PRV's step back to state your opinion about potential, which is fine, but you're backing it up with stats from this year alone, which is wacky.

In summary, heavens no is PRV worth Gardiner right now. Not prepared to say that Gardiner has higher potential than him though.

Offensive defensemen are a dime a dozen??? Since when? That's news to me. Gardiner had 30 points, but most of them came in the 2nd half of the season when he started getting accustomed to the NHL game and speed and he started getting more confident with the puck and in his decision-making. Watch the last 20 games of the season and then tell me Paajarvi or Petry can even compare right now.
- Phenom

Yes I would take Petry and or PRV over Gardiner and walk away Laughing.
Lets see in a league of 30 teams 43 defenseman and more coming got 30+ points this season lets see next season who has a better season Petry or Gardiner. My money is on Petry.

That is because you are a homer. You wouldn't acknowledge talent out side Toronto.
You want to see a future #1 in Ontario? look down the road to Ottawa at Karlsson 78 points as a Rookie. So sorry 30 points doesn't even get you rated better than Tom Gilbert 33p as a rookie.
- longbottom

Yeah I'm a homer since Gardiner plays for the Devils. Thanks for letting me know, that makes total sense. Karlsson is in his 3rd season. It isn't all about points, all around Gardiner is solid. You clearly don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

That is because you are a homer. You wouldn't acknowledge talent out side Toronto.
You want to see a future #1 in Ontario? look down the road to Ottawa at Karlsson 78 points as a Rookie. So sorry 30 points doesn't even get you rated better than Tom Gilbert 33p as a rookie.
- longbottom

Your are just making yourself look dumb. Karlsson was NOT a rookie this year. Nor was Petry for that matter. And Gardiner is much more valuable than MPS, he is not being a homer. Are you serious?