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phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 23 @ 2:39 PM ET
¿mood?
- aightwebang17



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KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

May 23 @ 2:39 PM ET
I've actually never been in the OD. Been to the Springfield once. My girlfriends family has a place on the bay inlets do we usually hang there. Can't take some of the "music" they play in some the bars down there...
- funmaster18


Springy was the first bar jersey shore I went to. Great place.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 23 @ 2:46 PM ET
..
- aightwebang17


doesn't have the same zip coming from you as it does marty.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 23 @ 2:48 PM ET
How does Dustin Brown not even get a hearing. He threw an elbow at a Coyotes head last night in OT. Crazy.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 23 @ 2:48 PM ET
Springy was the first bar jersey shore I went to. Great place.

- KGBflyers10


Their "shot" glasses leave a lot to be desired. I asked for a Jäger shot and they served it to me in what appeared to be a paper thimble. I don't buy shots often, so you can imagine my disappointment when they placed that embarrassment in front of me.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 23 @ 2:48 PM ET
Alain Vigneault signed an extension with the Canucks per the team's Twitter.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

May 23 @ 2:53 PM ET
doesn't have the same zip coming from you as it does marty.
- OrangeBlack27

phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
Their "shot" glasses leave a lot to be desired. I asked for a Jäger shot and they served it to me in what appeared to be a paper thimble. I don't buy shots often, so you can imagine my disappointment when they placed that embarrassment in front of me.
- funmaster18



thats why you do them before you go out
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 23 @ 3:00 PM ET
What I mean is if Leino really was a 4.5 million dollar player, Detroit would not have traded him for pennies.
- funmaster18


He was overpaid (by a lot) by Buffalo and was underpaid in the final year of his original contract coming off that monster playoff run. The Red Wings are not infallible. Leino did a good job here in Philly and I suspect he'll have a much better season next year.

phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 23 @ 3:01 PM ET
Bill makes an appearance late in the day...

all hail Bill....


Good day sir!!!
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

May 23 @ 3:05 PM ET
He was overpaid (by a lot) by Buffalo and was underpaid in the final year of his original contract coming off that monster playoff run. The Red Wings are not infallible. Leino did a good job here in Philly and I suspect he'll have a much better season next year.
- bmeltzer


It couldn't get much worse for Ville last year. With the right players around him, he may bounce back. But I still can't see him playing to the level to justify that salary.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

May 23 @ 3:06 PM ET
He was overpaid (by a lot) by Buffalo and was underpaid in the final year of his original contract coming off that monster playoff run. The Red Wings are not infallible. Leino did a good job here in Philly and I suspect he'll have a much better season next year.
- bmeltzer


You watch these playoff games and Leino isn't the type of player I want. Best players IMO were Kopitar and Doan. Both are tenacious. Raise hell.

Leino is a PU $$ EE cat. Not tenacious.

The only time tenacious doesn't work is with Jack Black.

JVR should spend some time with Doan and Kopitar. Pay for an offseason training camp which includes eating glass, knife fights, and running through brick walls.

The rest of the Flyers forwards should spend time in camp practicing deflections. All day. Seems to me the best way to score on these elite goalies is to fire a f'ing blast and have it deflect 2 or 3 times.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 23 @ 3:06 PM ET
Bill makes an appearance late in the day...

all hail Bill....


Good day sir!!!

- phi1671


Here's to Bill!
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 23 @ 3:07 PM ET
It couldn't get much worse for Ville last year. With the right players around him, he may bounce back. But I still can't see him playing to the level to justify that salary.
- 77rams


I look at Voracek and he will be paid around 3.5M and I think hes two times the player than Leino and hes much younger with higher potential. So glad the Flyers didnt keep Leino.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

May 23 @ 3:08 PM ET
I look at Voracek and he will be paid around 3.5M and I think hes two times the player than Leino and hes much younger with higher potential. So glad the Flyers didnt keep Leino.
- stveshdy


zero doubt on that one.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 23 @ 3:10 PM ET
zero doubt on that one.
- Daman


Voracek= real tie

Leino= clip on
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

May 23 @ 3:12 PM ET
Voracek= real tie

Leino= clip on

- stveshdy


JVR= bow tie?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 23 @ 3:13 PM ET
JVR= bow tie?
- phi1671


The worst tie ever invented. Horrible.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 23 @ 3:15 PM ET
I look at Voracek and he will be paid around 3.5M and I think hes two times the player than Leino and hes much younger with higher potential. So glad the Flyers didnt keep Leino.
- stveshdy


I have always liked Voracek. He's a much better than Leino. I thought Voracek and Nash were going to be a premier tandem in the NHL with Jake's passing abilities and Nash's shot.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 23 @ 3:17 PM ET
I have always liked Voracek. He's a much better than Leino. I thought Voracek and Nash were going to be a premier tandem in the NHL with Jake's passing abilities and Nash's shot.
- NickTheKid87


I do agree with Homer though Jake needs to get better with his shot. If he can somehow improve that the kid will be a monster. He has all the tools you ask for in a player.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

May 23 @ 3:20 PM ET
I have always liked Voracek. He's a much better than Leino. I thought Voracek and Nash were going to be a premier tandem in the NHL with Jake's passing abilities and Nash's shot.
- NickTheKid87


We are lucky to have Voracek and JVR, IMO. And Simmonds (although he is not well rounded) and Schenn and Coots.

I can't the the rewind button but how awesome was our team after Grossmann arrived and before Bryz got hurt?

That is why I favor keeping the team intact, and making a run for Parise. But don't want to get into that.

Leino is a very likable guy but overpaid.

Maybe Bill can answer this - how serious was the Flyer's interest in Doan a couple years back. I seem to remember his name bounced around. He would also look good next to Giroux in an ideal world.

Fun game to watch last night. Better series than the Devils and Rangers IMO.

NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

May 23 @ 3:21 PM ET
I do agree with Homer though Jake needs to get better with his shot. If he can somehow improve that the kid will be a monster. He has all the tools you ask for in a player.
- stveshdy


Definitely needs to shoot more. Sometimes he tries to do to much with his passing. I don't think he'll ever be that guy who scores 80+ points but I think he can give you 20-50-70 on a good year.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

May 23 @ 3:21 PM ET
He was overpaid (by a lot) by Buffalo and was underpaid in the final year of his original contract coming off that monster playoff run. The Red Wings are not infallible. Leino did a good job here in Philly and I suspect he'll have a much better season next year.
- bmeltzer

While Detroit is not infallible, I think they'd try to get more out of a trade for a guy like Leino if he was worth the money he's getting. His stats were really low this year and I'm sure he'll improve, but unless he plays his best hockey, he is getting overpaid. If not by money, then by the term. Leino won that deal all the way around.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 23 @ 3:22 PM ET
You watch these playoff games and Leino isn't the type of player I want. Best players IMO were Kopitar and Doan. Both are tenacious. Raise hell.

Leino is a PU $$ EE cat. Not tenacious.

The only time tenacious doesn't work is with Jack Black.

JVR should spend some time with Doan and Kopitar. Pay for an offseason training camp which includes eating glass, knife fights, and running through brick walls.

The rest of the Flyers forwards should spend time in camp practicing deflections. All day. Seems to me the best way to score on these elite goalies is to fire a f'ing blast and have it deflect 2 or 3 times.

- Daman


Leino looked pretty tenacious in the Cup Finals two years ago. He was also pretty damn effective in the Buffalo series last year, which is probably what convinced Sabres to throw all that money at him in the first place.


stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 23 @ 3:23 PM ET
We are lucky to have Voracek and JVR, IMO. And Simmonds (although he is not well rounded) and Schenn and Coots.

I can't the the rewind button but how awesome was our team after Grossmann arrived and before Bryz got hurt?

That is why I favor keeping the team intact, and making a run for Parise. But don't want to get into that.

Leino is a very likable guy but overpaid.

Maybe Bill can answer this - how serious was the Flyer's interest in Doan a couple years back. I seem to remember his name bounced around. He would also look good next to Giroux in an ideal world.

Fun game to watch last night. Better series than the Devils and Rangers IMO.

- Daman


Loved the addition of Grossmann. When he first arrived he was a monster than the injuries knocked him back a notch. Bryz looked like a human wall before he got that stupid chip in his foot. I'm ready for July.
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