Bryz is not going anywhere no should he. I really think the media angle on him and others is often times overblown. I expect that he will be more consistent in the next campaign and things will settle down. Best case, Bob will show talent in the games that he starts and increase his trade value at the end of the year for the TDL or next summer.
- FlyersFirst

I like this game plan. That said, just like your previous post if the incentives don't get waived then his cap hit is (probably) an issue. Also if he is a part of a trade that makes sense then I wouldn't shed a tear. To me, this is not a big issue for this team moving forward. And that says something about the way Bob has played. He has not made it an issue and therefore the cap implications and trade options will do the talking, not his play thus far.

I also, want to say that I think the kid could be really good. His positioning has nothing on Quick but his athletic lateral movement reminds me of him. Maybe I am pie in the sky to even compare those two but that is what I see when I watch Quick. Glimpses of Bob's best attributes.

I like this game plan. That said, just like your previous post if the incentives don't get waived then his cap hit is (probably) an issue. Also if he is a part of a trade that makes sense then I wouldn't shed a tear. To me, this is not a big issue for this team moving forward. And that says something about the way Bob has played. He has not made it an issue and therefore the cap implications and trade options will do the talking, not his play thus far.

I also, want to say that I think the kid could be really good. His positioning has nothing on Quick but his athletic lateral movement reminds me of him. Maybe I am pie in the sky to even compare those two but that is what I see when I watch Quick. Glimpses of Bob's best attributes.
- coffee junkie

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- phi1671

- tangent_man

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Is Bobrovsky Suited to be a Backup
- bmeltzer

If his is a better than average back up, then why not keep him? Is it only for the money? And, any word on how Bryz and Bob get a long? Being the goalies, and the only Russians... I think that would be important. I didn't hear of any issues, which can only be a good thing. Thinking back to a Tim P. article, stating how Russians need other Russians around (not that I bought into that story 100%)... I think the Russian tandem works - don't mess with it.

Hartnell is such a beauty

Bryz is not going anywhere no should he. I really think the media angle on him and others is often times overblown. I expect that he will be more consistent in the next campaign and things will settle down. Best case, Bob will show talent in the games that he starts and increase his trade value at the end of the year for the TDL or next summer.
- FlyersFirst

With regards, to Bob, I think that window has come and gone. The Caps beat everyone to the punch last summer with Varlamov. It will be interesting to see what happens in Vancouver with their goalies and what they get in return, For that matter, is Bernier stuck for the forseeable future in LA.

Bob has not shown any improvement. He has great lateral movement but it doesn't make up for his weaknesses. I think his flaws will never get fixed. He drops before the shot is released AND he tucks his elbows. As a result, he makes himself small in the net. Consequently, he is very susceptible up high and with traffic in front. That was my assessment back in early November 2010 and I've seen nothing from him to change it. Unfortunately, I agree with Bill's assessment of the market and don't think he holds much trade value.

I expect Bryz to be better next year. If not, then I see Flyers management making friends with the Russian mob or the KHL. (Picture Bryz as Eddie Murphy in Trading Places after he kicks the partiers out of his house and Coleman tells him to go to bed)

"Yeah, yeah, I think I will...







...retire."

Bobrovsky reminds me more of Jonathan quick in regards to the extremely quick lateral movement, butterfly style of play. Quick was once regarded as a goalie with a high level of talent but prone to giving up soft goals, and with a few seasons under his belt he surely has rounded out his game. I feel with a repleted defensive corps, and more time to develop the rest of Bob's game, he could of potentially had the same success Quick is starting to see.

the flyes would have to make sure and it's not 100% that Bob will not be claimed, if he is half of his salary will be dead cap space.
- phi1671

If he is claimed on the way down to the AHL, then there is no cap hit to the Flyers. They just lose a player and get nothing in return. If he is claimed on call-up from the AHL, then half of the salary cap is taken.

It's a tough spot with Bob. I said last year at the draft was the time to trade Bob. When Colorado was going after Varlamov, the Flyers could have had the same deal. Varlamov and Bob were both very similiar in both experience and stats, only there was no "will Bob go to Russia" talk. If Colorado wouldnt bite, at least they set a value that the Flyers could have got if they shopped Bob to Tampa, or the other teams that needed a goalie.

But as of now, the Flyers will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him. Bryz has shown that he plays better, the more he plays. And Bob has shown that he plays worse the less he plays. The reason to keep Bob as the back-up is incase Bryz gets injured. Then Bob can be the marginal starter that can get the team through the strech. But if he is used just as a rest day for Bryz once every other week, then there are better options.

IMO you take the best offer you can get, sign a guy like Biron, and hope your 3rd round pick becomes a steal; it is a deep draft. If you do keep Bob till next season, then he will most likely be lost for nothing. No-one is going to trade anything of value for a RFA goalie that may be a marginal starter, but cant pass through waivers....

If he is claimed on the way down to the AHL, then there is no cap hit to the Flyers. They just lose a player and get nothing in return. If he is claimed on call-up from the AHL, then half of the salary cap is taken.
- ncflyer27613

i by no means know the CBA inside and out, so if this is true, I appreciate the help.

It's a tough spot with Bob. I said last year at the draft was the time to trade Bob. When Colorado was going after Varlamov, the Flyers could have had the same deal. Varlamov and Bob were both very similiar in both experience and stats, only there was no "will Bob go to Russia" talk. If Colorado wouldnt bite, at least they set a value that the Flyers could have got if they shopped Bob to Tampa, or the other teams that needed a goalie.

But as of now, the Flyers will be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him. Bryz has shown that he plays better, the more he plays. And Bob has shown that he plays worse the less he plays. The reason to keep Bob as the back-up is incase Bryz gets injured. Then Bob can be the marginal starter that can get the team through the strech. But if he is used just as a rest day for Bryz once every other week, then there are better options.

IMO you take the best offer you can get, sign a guy like Biron, and hope your 3rd round pick becomes a steal; it is a deep draft. If you do keep Bob till next season, then he will most likely be lost for nothing. No-one is going to trade anything of value for a RFA goalie that may be a marginal starter, but cant pass through waivers....
- RooNosHockey

i disagree


good post...

Question: If the Flyers do trade Bob, what teams are most likely to be interested and able to trade something we need (D)?

Tampa has little D NHLers or even quality prospects in this area to trade unless they draft one this year.

Columbus too
Oilers too
Islanders? Not sure a trade is hammered out between these two teams.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Is Bobrovsky Suited to be a Backup
- bmeltzer

As long as he's behind Bryz that's what he'll be, however he could be a solid starter for some team.

Question: If the Flyers do trade Bob, what teams are most likely to be interested and able to trade something we need (D)?

Tampa has little D NHLers or even quality prospects in this area to trade unless they draft one this year.

Columbus too
Oilers too
Islanders? Not sure a trade is hammered out between these two teams.
- coffee junkie

well what would you like pick(s), prospect(s), or a combo?

well what would you like pick(s), prospect(s), or a combo?
- ob18

What would I like? Victor Hedman and a 1st?

But I see your point, they are most likely to trade him for a mid draft pick. That doesn't do it for me unless the cap $$ is needed elsewhere. Prospects or part of a trade for a D man would be my preference.

What would I like? Victor Hedman and a 1st?

But I see your point, they are most likely to trade him for a mid draft pick. That doesn't do it for me unless the cap $$ is needed elsewhere. Prospects or part of a trade for a D man would be my preference.
- coffee junkie

Depending on what you are looking for will weed out some teams.

What would I like? Victor Hedman and a 1st?

But I see your point, they are most likely to trade him for a mid draft pick. That doesn't do it for me unless the cap $$ is needed elsewhere. Prospects or part of a trade for a D man would be my preference.
- coffee junkie

I could see him as a throw in for a trade for a defenseman. Eklund mentioned since Suter does not want to play for a big east team, then the Flyers might persue a trade with San Jose for Douglas Murray. I dont think he is necessarily what the Flyers need, but there is no doubt Bob would be an enticing throw in for San Jose to back-up Neimi.

I could see him as a throw in for a trade for a defenseman. Eklund mentioned since Suter does not want to play for a big east team, then the Flyers might persue a trade with San Jose for Douglas Murray. I dont think he is necessarily what the Flyers need, but there is no doubt Bob would be an enticing throw in for San Jose to back-up Neimi.
- RooNosHockey

He's no more enticing than Greiss, their current back-up.

I could see him as a throw in for a trade for a defenseman. Eklund mentioned since Suter does not want to play for a big east team, then the Flyers might persue a trade with San Jose for Douglas Murray. I dont think he is necessarily what the Flyers need, but there is no doubt Bob would be an enticing throw in for San Jose to back-up Neimi.
- RooNosHockey

I agree Murray doesn't seem like what we need. I would say a right handed puck moving D man would be ideal. A healthy and productive Kubina would actually be a great addition. That doesn't seem to have worked out though. Did he have surgery this summer? Did we find out what was bothering him? Good call on SJ, they are probably looking to shake things up a bit after yet another missed season.

I agree Murray doesn't seem like what we need. I would say a right handed puck moving D man would be ideal. A healthy and productive Kubina would actually be a great addition. That doesn't seem to have worked out though. Did he have surgery this summer? Did we find out what was bothering him? Good call on SJ, they are probably looking to shake things up a bit after yet another missed season.
- coffee junkie

Yea, isnt murray a slightly more physical, less mobile and offensively gifted versions of Coburn and Meszaros?

Bill,

with Leighton's contract over, what are the chances they send him to the Phantoms to see if he can work his game out and bring in someone to be a backup for a season or 2?

I hear hasek is making a comeback

That was a joke BTW

Honestly if Timonen can come back healthy, then I would feel okay with our current defense. Yes I wouldn't mind signing Kubina if the price is right and hope he was just really bangged up, but I guess the Flyers would have said something if he was... I mean as long as there isnt any major injuries, and Carle can be resigned...

Carle-Meszaros
Timonen-Coburn
Grossmann-Lilja-Bourdon-Gus

It's really not that bad. What about instead of trading for some "almost" number 1, you use some assetts to trade up in the draft and draft the next Number 1 guy.

Bill,

with Leighton's contract over, what are the chances they send him to the Phantoms to see if he can work his game out and bring in someone to be a backup for a season or 2?

I hear hasek is making a comeback

That was a joke BTW
- Pyzik

Bob would never make it through waivers. Because of the number of games he played he is waiver eligable.

Yea, isnt murray a slightly more physical, less mobile and offensively gifted versions of Coburn and Meszaros?
- RooNosHockey

Don't see a spot for Murray. We need a defenseman with some offense that can play the point on the PP. Atleast that's my opinion. Ek seems to think the Flyers love Murray. Not sure why.