LeafMan
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Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven Joined: 05.20.2007
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Lu end up on the Leafs...It makes the Most sense.
To Toronto: Luongo
To Vancouver: Tim Connolly, Armstrong
Both Are UFA's next summer Connolly will be on the IR most of the Year and Armdog (if healthy) gives a little more sandpaper to the Nucks
Both can be shed at the Deadline too.
Luongo Needs to be the "star" and The Spot light of Toronto will give him that. PLus he plays his best when he is peppered with shots..again Toronto will give him that....
Add in Term and Financial responsability that comes with such a gigantic contract and Toronto really seems to be the Perfect Fit.
Luongo will be a Leaf bythe Draft! - billyberg10
Dude, I want to unload those contacts but no way in hell that gets you Luongo. My guess it will take a good prospect, pick/on roster player, possibly backup goalie and there has to be an offset of salary due to contract length. |
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p_zub
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 02.20.2007
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VoKoun has stated outright that he is NOT going to the KHL! Only way that happens is if nobody in the NHL wants him! - Bullot
But most accounts, including media and Nonis himself, it looks like Vokoun will be high on the Leafs' list, and vice versa. |
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Boinker
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 10.24.2010
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Although it'll take more then Armstrong or Tim, the nucks aren't getting this kind of value for Lu, sorry. - spade_77
Than good luck making the playoffs next year and Burke will be fired. You have to give to get. If you want a premier goalie through trade you'll have to give up the assets. The Leafs dont have many options. Vokoun looked like crap last year and Harding is injury prone and unproven and Bernier has not impressed in his limited time and is unproven. If you want a goalie who will get you into the playoffs with a sh*t team than you'll have to give up a lot more than two sh*t players on inflated contracts. The Leafs dont have many assets. |
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ejeezy
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 08.23.2010
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Than good luck making the playoffs next year and Burke will be fired. You have to give to get. If you want a premier goalie through trade you'll have to give up the assets. The Leafs dont have many options. Vokoun looked like crap last year and Harding is injury prone and unproven and Bernier has not impressed in his limited time and is unproven. If you want a goalie who will get you into the playoffs with a sh*t team than you'll have to give up a lot more than two sh*t players on inflated contracts. The Leafs dont have many assets. - Boinker
So you're saying that Burke needs to take on a massive 10 year contract so that he WON'T be fired?
According to their fans, it's Vancouver who will be at the disadvantage if Luongo doesn't get moved... So why would anyone pay a premium to cater to such needs? Keep him, the rest of the NHL doesn't care.
If the Canucks are serious about getting rid of the Luongo contract, don't expect a dollar for dollar trade. Expectations must be tempered, or else they should just keep him. |
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mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Itasca, IL Joined: 01.18.2010
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LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Shark City, CA Joined: 07.03.2009
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Well, think of it this way.........you guys are between a rock and a hard spot! You have to sign Schneider to good money, which means someone has to go! If it's not Loungo, it's a good roster player, and you already are losing out in the first round playoffs! So, if you keep Loungo AND Schneider........you are going to only get worse and stay worse for years! Loungo has to go NOW while someone will take him off your hands! The cap space alone is worth giving him away........ - Bullot
I disagree with pretty much all of that! We went to the finals with pretty much the same team as the one that lost in the first round. We had injuries, it happens. If Gillis can't move Lu, he'll end up moving Schneider for a great return. Not really a problematic issue. He made a commitment to Luongo with the contract and Lu is still playing great, it's a good problem to have. |
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ejeezy
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 08.23.2010
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http://www.capgeek.com/trade_machine.php?team1=29&team2=11&team-29-players%5B%5D=660&team-29-players%5B%5D=683&team-11-players%5B%5D=251&team-11-players%5B%5D=252&team-11-players%5B%5D=273&CompleteTradeButton=
To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)
To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .
Both teams get better and both still have cap space. - mrpaulish
Cool trade proposal actually. |
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Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: "Caresi > Corsi" Joined: 10.24.2011
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http://www.capgeek.com/trade_machine.php?team1=29&team2=11&team-29-players%5B%5D=660&team-29-players%5B%5D=683&team-11-players%5B%5D=251&team-11-players%5B%5D=252&team-11-players%5B%5D=273&CompleteTradeButton=
To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)
To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .
Both teams get better and both still have cap space. - mrpaulish
That's quite possibly the most reasonable big blockbuster proposal I've ever seen on this site. |
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megatronn
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 03.25.2008
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http://www.capgeek.com/trade_machine.php?team1=29&team2=11&team-29-players%5B%5D=660&team-29-players%5B%5D=683&team-11-players%5B%5D=251&team-11-players%5B%5D=252&team-11-players%5B%5D=273&CompleteTradeButton=
To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)
To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .
Both teams get better and both still have cap space. - mrpaulish
Sit Keith in between the twins......
wonder how that'd go over...? |
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apollo678
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 12.17.2007
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I don't think Vancouver has many options if they want to move Luongo. With the success of guys like Elliot and Smith, smaller market teams will not want to tie up 6 million in a goalie. Very few teams can actually afford to take a chance on a 50 million dollar goalie (approx amount remaining on hist contract). Of the big market teams that could afford an expensive goalie, very few teams actually need one. Furthermore there is Luongo's alleged trade list...what is the list? Toronto, Chicago, TB, Florida and ?.
There really is only one fit should Vancouver agree to Luongo's trade request and its Toronto. |
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Oilersforlife
Edmonton Oilers |
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Location: Rooming with Richard in his Mo, AB Joined: 02.19.2007
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I had to laugh at that one too...apparently he hasn't seen Edler and Bieksa play before. - LeftCoaster
You're right they suck, Oilers D for Van's D straight up. |
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Pea-Brain
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Dubastown Joined: 09.28.2009
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To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)
To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .
Both teams get better and both still have cap space. - mrpaulish
Holy poop that isn't insane. I don't know what to say.
It doesn't exactly make Vancouver tougher but it does make them better. Chicago gets better goaltending and a fantastic second line C and just has the simple task of replacing Keith... |
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LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Shark City, CA Joined: 07.03.2009
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To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)
To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .
Both teams get better and both still have cap space. - mrpaulish
Keith has 11 years left on his contract! But I'd actually consider that deal, because, we could then move Edler+ for a second line center.
Don't see Gillis trading with Chicago though, would make for some great playoff hockey wouldn't it!!! |
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fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: BC Joined: 05.06.2010
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To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)
To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .
Both teams get better and both still have cap space. - mrpaulish
Solid and reasonable. Two things never used to describe trade proposals on this site. Well done sir.
Edit: Could you imagine this trade going down and then another Van/Chi playoff matchup. |
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Traceur
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Animosity, QC Joined: 03.27.2008
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To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)
To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .
Both teams get better and both still have cap space. - mrpaulish
I personally think Van wins that deal by a wide margin... add a first rd pick to Chicago at least |
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LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks |
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Location: Shark City, CA Joined: 07.03.2009
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You're right they suck, Oilers D for Van's D straight up. - Oilersforlife
The point is...there NOT as great as you described. |
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mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Itasca, IL Joined: 01.18.2010
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Sit Keith in between the twins......
wonder how that'd go over...? - megatronn
Yea I know, partenr him up with Bieksa !! Just saying that the Canucks would be able to get rid of Lou , you gotta give to get , Keith is still pretty good, the Canucks then could keep Sharp or flip him to the Jets for a nice return.
Yes the Hawks and Canucks are bit of rivals but sooner or later that new 4 conference system will be in place making the amount of rivals each team has smaller. |
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deanofnucks
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Vancouver, BC Joined: 02.08.2008
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Dude, I want to unload those contacts but no way in hell that gets you Luongo. My guess it will take a good prospect, pick/on roster player, possibly backup goalie and there has to be an offset of salary due to contract length. - LeafMan
while I sympathize with the insulted Avalanche fans thinking Semyon Varlamov is a goalie for the future - I agree with the current assessment that Lou is better than Vlarly right now. But Colorado is not interested in adding Lou and Vancouver is definitely not interested in playing against Lou for the next 10 years in the same division / conference.
For that matter ANY teams floated out there with a label "Western Conference" is a NO GO for Lou. Remember - it is Luongo who holds the NTC and has agreed to waive it if hew can be placed on a team which #1 contends for a cup inside of 3 years (that rules out teams like Columbus as an example and no comment inserted here for how that applies to T.O.) #2 He wants to be closer to where his wife's family lives : namely Florida.
So - before there's further conjecture ... Lou is headed to Tampa Bay (likeliest) and that's not a definite. Corey Schneider may end up being the one to go if the Canucks get a substantial offer for him instead. No bridges have been burned by Mike Gillis for that to happen and he's said that Lou's has offered what's best for the team ... So has Corey Schneider.
The return for one of the Canuck's net minders will be more than the 'bag of pucks' all the trolls and naysayers have floated... likely a top prospect AND a top 4 D man. But, it IS the unloading of the salary IF Lou is the one to go that is the biggest value to Vancouver. I will chuckle plenty if Toronto gets Lou ... because the week after they will all be crowing how they robbed Vancouver of the best goalie in the NHL (while saying he's a overpriced goalie at this time). |
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To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)
To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .
Both teams get better and both still have cap space. - mrpaulish
wow! now id have too start cheering for chicago..too....that would be a BIG change...cheering both teams........ |
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mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Itasca, IL Joined: 01.18.2010
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I personally think Van wins that deal by a wide margin... add a first rd pick to Chicago at least - Traceur
Not sure about that , Keith is pretty good but past prime , sme with Lu. But Lu gives the Hawks an actual #1 goalie that will occasionally win a game by himself, the HAWKS HAVE NO KEEPER in the system that can do that. Sharp is past prime and Kesler and Kane on the same line would be super, would free up Toews to play with Hossa (if he returns , if he doesnt thats 5m off the books for the Hawks) and Stalberg who started to figure it out a little last year (22 goals) .
The Hawks window is starting to close and need to go for it , Vancouver has never won and needs to do something. |
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megatronn
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 03.25.2008
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I personally think Van wins that deal by a wide margin... add a first rd pick to Chicago at least - Traceur
no way... its solid as is..
Luongo > Crawford
Kesler > Sharp
Keith balances the table
Sh!tcago gets a lousy contract in Lu and Van takes back Keiths lousy contract
The only thing that would suck is if Kesler gets back to his form of 2 seasons ago....then Van loses big... Sharp is a good player, but not in that class.
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megatronn
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 03.25.2008
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Yea I know, partenr him up with Bieksa !! Just saying that the Canucks would be able to get rid of Lou , you gotta give to get , Keith is still pretty good, the Canucks then could keep Sharp or flip him to the Jets for a nice return.
Yes the Hawks and Canucks are bit of rivals but sooner or later that new 4 conference system will be in place making the amount of rivals each team has smaller. - mrpaulish
Point being ....I wonder if Daniel will just put that cheap shot behind him..........I sure as hell wouldnt
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Not sure about that , Keith is pretty good but past prime , sme with Lu. But Lu gives the Hawks an actual #1 goalie that will occasionally win a game by himself, the HAWKS HAVE NO KEEPER in the system that can do that. Sharp is past prime and Kesler and Kane on the same line would be super, would free up Toews to play with Hossa (if he returns , if he doesnt thats 5m off the books for the Hawks) and Stalberg who started to figure it out a little last year (22 goals) .
The Hawks window is starting to close and need to go for it , Vancouver has never won and needs to do something. - mrpaulish
keith still has good years...hes not that old....i like sharp as well...he was injured most of this year?? wasnt he.......bound to rebound next season..health wise...i'd take keith in a heartbeat |
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Traceur
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Animosity, QC Joined: 03.27.2008
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Not sure about that , Keith is pretty good but past prime , sme with Lu. But Lu gives the Hawks an actual #1 goalie that will occasionally win a game by himself, the HAWKS HAVE NO KEEPER in the system that can do that. Sharp is past prime and Kesler and Kane on the same line would be super, would free up Toews to play with Hossa (if he returns , if he doesnt thats 5m off the books for the Hawks) and Stalberg who started to figure it out a little last year (22 goals) .
The Hawks window is starting to close and need to go for it , Vancouver has never won and needs to do something. - mrpaulish
Keith and Sharp may be a little past their prime, but could fetch a lot based on reputation IMO and Crawford may not have value as a no 1 goalie, but I'm sure a lot of GMs would like to have him as a back-up |
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Traceur
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Animosity, QC Joined: 03.27.2008
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no way... its solid as is..
Luongo > Crawford
Kesler > Sharp
Keith balances the table
Sh!tcago gets a lousy contract in Lu and Van takes back Keiths lousy contract
The only thing that would suck is if Kesler gets back to his form of 2 seasons ago....then Van loses big... Sharp is a good player, but not in that class. - megatronn
Keith is a Norris winner... he may not be as good as he was 2 years ago, but teams would give a lot for a former dman of the year with a cup ring |
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