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To Vancouver : Duncan Keith , Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford(to back up Schneider)

To Chicago : Luongo and Kesler .

Both teams get better and both still have cap space.
- mrpaulish

Is that you Stan Bowman?

Really... I wouldn't even do Crawford straight up for Luongo.

I think Luo's a good goalie.. just not for the contract.

Keith and Sharp may be a little past their prime, but could fetch a lot based on reputation IMO and Crawford may not have value as a no 1 goalie, but I'm sure a lot of GMs would like to have him as a back-up
- Traceur

How is Sharp past his prime when the last 2 years have been his best years???

He does make too much money but still...

Lou is an upgrade on Varlamov. I could also say Justin Pogge could turn out to be just as good or better than Luongo, but it's not going to happen.

Vokoun is going to be in the KHL, along with Varlamov after his current contract expires.
- Fosco

This is troll worthy.. and basically insulting. You do realize how value compares based on young players vs older more established players right? Especially depending on what team your talking about?

Varlamov still has the potential to be a franchise goalie while Lou has half or more of his career behind him. For Colorado.. Varlamov has more value pure and simple.

Is that you Stan Bowman?

Really... I wouldn't even do Crawford straight up for Luongo.

I think Luo's a good goalie.. just not for the contract.
- wolverine19

you mean $5.3M per for 6 years is a bad contract for a top 5 goalie in the league?

This is troll worthy.. and basically insulting. You do realize how value compares based on young players vs older more established players right? Especially depending on what team your talking about?

Varlamov still has the potential to be a franchise goalie while Lou has half or more of his career behind him. For Colorado.. Varlamov has more value pure and simple.
- Steve-B

while I sympathize with the insulted Avalanche fans thinking Semyon Varlamov is a goalie for the future - I agree with the current assessment that Lou is better than Vlarly right now. But Colorado is not interested in adding Lou and Vancouver is definitely not interested in playing against Lou for the next 10 years in the same division / conference.

For that matter ANY teams floated out there with a label "Western Conference" is a NO GO for Lou. Remember - it is Luongo who holds the NTC and has agreed to waive it if hew can be placed on a team which #1 contends for a cup inside of 3 years (that rules out teams like Columbus as an example and no comment inserted here for how that applies to T.O.) #2 He wants to be closer to where his wife's family lives : namely Florida.

So - before there's further conjecture ... Lou is headed to Tampa Bay (likeliest) and that's not a definite. Corey Schneider may end up being the one to go if the Canucks get a substantial offer for him instead. No bridges have been burned by Mike Gillis for that to happen and he's said that Lou's has offered what's best for the team ... So has Corey Schneider.

The return for one of the Canuck's net minders will be more than the 'bag of pucks' all the trolls and naysayers have floated... likely a top prospect AND a top 4 D man. But, it IS the unloading of the salary IF Lou is the one to go that is the biggest value to Vancouver. I will chuckle plenty if Toronto gets Lou ... because the week after they will all be crowing how they robbed Vancouver of the best goalie in the NHL (while saying he's a overpriced goalie at this time).
- deanofnucks

Like all of us I can only guess what it would take, you have to take into consideration what teams need a goalie and can take on the contract (although realistically he will probably play only 5 or so years of it).

Also on Vancouver's part, I think the real concern is if Schneider wants only a one year deal, then goes to UFA if Luongo is still in the mix, one thing for sure, it should be interesting this off season.

Ian Esplen: Lu's Competition
Lu's Competition
- IanEsplen

Ian, I think Kipper may be more available than you think. That Cerevenka signing is making some believe his team mate in the KHL, Ramos is working on getting out of his last year in the KHL & play in Calgary next year. If that's the case, I see us flying with Ramos & Irving next year while expectations of playoffs & rebuild have been accepted(realization) by fans. His last 2 years of his contract are incredible, 5.0mill & 1.5 mill, cap hit 5.8mill. Probably a better fit for the likes of Florida or the Leafs or Chicago. I think Tampa is the perfect fit & was totally on side with that Lecalvier trade scenario.

How is Sharp past his prime when the last 2 years have been his best years???

He does make too much money but still...
- Pea-Brain

That's what the Blackhawks fan said, I didn't believe so myself, but I wanted to make my point to include this possible argument

Ian, I think Kipper may be more available than you think. That Cerevenka signing is making some believe his team mate in the KHL, Ramos is working on getting out of his last year in the KHL & play in Calgary next year. If that's the case, I see us flying with Ramos & Irving next year while expectations of playoffs & rebuild have been accepted(realization) by fans. His last 2 years of his contract are incredible, 5.0mill & 1.5 mill, cap hit 5.8mill. Probably a better fit for the likes of Florida or the Leafs or Chicago. I think Tampa is the perfect fit & was totally on side with that Lecalvier trade scenario.
- Kevin R

It's (frank)ing Ramo goddamnit.

That's what the Blackhawks fan said, I didn't believe so myself, but I wanted to make my point to include this possible argument
- Traceur

It was a genreal question. several people said it, you were just the last.

Ian, I think Kipper may be more available than you think. That Cerevenka signing is making some believe his team mate in the KHL, Ramos is working on getting out of his last year in the KHL & play in Calgary next year. If that's the case, I see us flying with Ramos & Irving next year while expectations of playoffs & rebuild have been accepted(realization) by fans. His last 2 years of his contract are incredible, 5.0mill & 1.5 mill, cap hit 5.8mill. Probably a better fit for the likes of Florida or the Leafs or Chicago. I think Tampa is the perfect fit & was totally on side with that Lecalvier trade scenario.
- Kevin R

Tampa would LOVE to get Kipper since he is a legit number 1 and his salary is below his cap hit.

Keith is a Norris winner... he may not be as good as he was 2 years ago, but teams would give a lot for a former dman of the year with a cup ring
- Traceur

Kesler won a Selke.....yay....the league is all about what have you done for me lately...both had off years.

It's (frank)ing Ramo goddamnit.
- Pea-Brain

Sorry my bad, I knew that.

you mean $5.3M per for 6 years is a bad contract for a top 5 goalie in the league?
- Pea-Brain

If he was 28 yes... 33/34 nope.. would not touch him... Top 5 goalie in the league?
Why would Vancouver want to get ride of him then.

If he was 28 yes... 33/34 nope.. would not touch him... Top 5 goalie in the league?
Why would Vancouver want to get ride of him then.
- wolverine19

younger, cheaper, top 15 goalie already who has the ability to become a top 5 as well. seems logic.

If he was 28 yes... 33/34 nope.. would not touch him... Top 5 goalie in the league?
Why would Vancouver want to get ride of him then.
- wolverine19

Cause we have two of the top five

If he was 28 yes... 33/34 nope.. would not touch him... Top 5 goalie in the league?
Why would Vancouver want to get ride of him then.
- wolverine19

Also, lets hear your top 10 goalies and where Lou stands. Right now IMO:
Lundqvist
Rinne
Quick
Thomas for one more year
Luongo
Halak
Brodeur
Price/Ward/Kipper/Miller

But try and remember that While it's unlikely any of us has a clue about what's inside Darcy's head, and things like the salary cap, NTCs/NMCs, and the declining economy's impact on future revenues make it nearly impossible to trade anyone of any significance, it's not inconceivable that the Sabres could make a mid-season move.

Vanek, Roy, Miller, Pommer are probably not on the block since they represent the young core of this team and are all locked up long-term. We all know Vanek's contract is insane, but given the length and amount of the others, it seems unlikely to me there's a better deal out there. Remember Larry Quinn is a numbers guy, and 5 mil 6 years from now will be looking pretty good. Roy's deal is an especially favorable one for the club. You might even be able to throw Goose into this category b/c his value to the Sabres is high given his hustle and toughness.

Max, Kotalik, and Connolly are popular choices for a change of venue, but their UFA status would mean they'd need to go to a contender for the receiving team to be willing to assume the risk. That said, what's the likelihood of a contender sending the Sabres something worthy of a blockbuster? That's not even taking into account Max sucking for the last 2 years, Kotalik getting a reputation of being lazy, and (Tin) Connolly being more fragile than the leg lamp in A Christmas Story. This, coming from the guy who actually owns a Connolly jersey.

As far as young talent at forward goes, Stafford, MacArthur, Paille are the only roster players in that category. They're all tradable, but not enough to bring in an impact player. To me, the Sabres would need to include one of Mancari, Gerbe, or Kennedy to get another team interested. Possible, though Gerbe seems like he's got a future here.

Lastly, if they're really trying to fix the recent injury problem at defense, they're not going to trade any defensemen. Even still, it's more likely they'll do what they did last year and bring in a veteran like Nolan Pratt to temporarily fill the gap until Weber and Sekera are healthy again (a few weeks?). I haven't looked to see who like that is available, but they found someone last year and could probably do it again.

We Sabres fans have gotten used to the fact that Darcy rarely makes any moves. In fact, who really does anymore? I'd love to be wrong, but not at the expense of 26 / 9 / 30 / 29. You can have Peters. Twice.
- epic poster

In all seriousness though, for those of you playing GM and assuming Luongo has no value, you will miss out on him. Connolly and Armstrong is ridiculous, as is "your top two prospects"

One good prospect, one good pick and one veteran contract (that's not Connolly and Armstrong for crissakes) is probably where you are going to end up.

Kesler won a Selke.....yay....the league is all about what have you done for me lately...both had off years.
- megatronn

That's not true, a lot of players get deals based on previous accomplishments, also, not to bash on Kesler because I like him, but you have to think that Keith has more value than him

Also, lets hear your top 10 goalies and where Lou stands. Right now IMO:
Lundqvist
Rinne
Quick
Thomas for one more year
Luongo
Halak
Brodeur
Price/Ward/Kipper/Miller
- Pea-Brain

I would say thats a good list... I would take Halak/Price/ Ward & Miller before Luo. Thats just my opinion.

If he was 28 yes... 33/34 nope.. would not touch him... Top 5 goalie in the league?
Why would Vancouver want to get ride of him then.
- wolverine19

cause he is a head case and our ad campaign has been "Heart of a Canuck" .....well he has the heart of one the pansie ass b!tches that walk down Davie st here in Vancouver...

I

That's not true, a lot of players get deals based on previous accomplishments, also, not to bash on Kesler because I like him, but you have to think that Keith has more value than him
- Traceur

the rule applies to within your team....all the other teams will take a chance on any player who has "accomplished" something in the league....(Dustin Penner)

I am not bashing Keith at all, but the value of Crawford and Sharp against Kesler and the headcase needs to be balanced.

Cause we have two of the top five
- LeftCoaster

You guys do have a great 1 2 goalie combination... Thats why you guys should keep them together.

Than good luck making the playoffs next year and Burke will be fired. You have to give to get. If you want a premier goalie through trade you'll have to give up the assets. The Leafs dont have many options. Vokoun looked like crap last year and Harding is injury prone and unproven and Bernier has not impressed in his limited time and is unproven. If you want a goalie who will get you into the playoffs with a sh*t team than you'll have to give up a lot more than two sh*t players on inflated contracts. The Leafs dont have many assets.
- Boinker

Hence why I said it would take more then connolly or Armstrong.

And i serious doubt Burkies future with the leafs rides on whether or not he takes on Lu's 10 yr contract. If nothing suitable is available they will ride Reimer and Scrivens to another lottery pick. (which wouldn't be the worse thing in the world).

Game of thrones was CRAZYYYYYY. Lu + first rounder for karl alzner