Vancouver has no power here? Vancouver has all the power here. Either give the Canucks what they want or they don't trade him. His contract isn't that ugly, he's a great goalie and he has a few good years ahead of him. Their hands are tied? Not at all. Gillis has a goalie sitting with a $5.3million cap hit who on the open market would get FAR more than that. There isn't any evidence from the organization that they HAVE to trade Luongo, but we all expect it.

Funny thing is that if Luongo was on the open market and looking for $5.3milion, the Leafs would be on that like no tomorrow. Luongo's not worth Connolly, or Hedman, but that's not because of anything but his age. He's got quite a bit of worth, though.
- Michael_Stuart

His contract isn't that ugly? Hes paid salary of 6.7 for the next 6 years or until hes 39, most teams on the list have little money to waste. There is really only 1 team that has the money to pay him and the need for a goalie and that's Toronto. Also on the open market I don't think Lu would get 5.3 mill and he definitely wouldn't get the length which is the biggest factor against him! Vancouver's hands are tied they have just over 9 mill in cap space and need to sign schneider, raymond and another 4 other guys to fill out their roster. Not much room to work with considering Schneider could easily get 4 mill or more.

Connolly is a ppg player(when healthy) with 1 year left
and Armstrong (when healthy) is a good agitator for 3rd line

Connolly and a prospect would get it done.......

We all know that Luongo is a great tallent but there just aren't enough teams that would be willing to accept the risks of this contract to deal with the Canucks.

Every one who shoots down this deal needs to realize that Vancouver has absolutely ZERO power here.... Their hands are tied, untill they unload that contract for what ever they can get, A salary dump in return and a prospect is all it is going to take.........

Bookmark this page and get back to me when Luongo is a Leaf and you see what Toronto had to give up to get him!
- billyberg10

You're being intentionally ridiculous, right?

Won't happen, Schneiders paid his dues and deserves his chance to play 50 plus games with a salary of $4 million per.
- LeftCoaster

I would have to agree.. I hope you get something for Luo.. But when all GM's know your hands are tied with him... They team looking to accuire Luo has most if not all of the leverage... hope fully you guys find a taker.

I would have to agree.. I hope you get something for Luo.. But when all GM's know your hands are tied with him... They team looking to accuire Luo has most if not all of the leverage... hope fully you guys find a taker.
- wolverine19

To me, this is a gross oversimplification. There are a number of teams out there with the need to upgrade their goaltending, and Luongo is the best option currently available to do that. The leverage situation you discuss would be accurate if there were just two teams in the league: Vancouver and the other one making the trade... the reason Vancouver has a reasonable expectation to get something back is because of the other teams out there that would look to make a trade.

If Lu and Kipper were on the market, Kip would be over Lu by miles,if for no other reason that a shorter term/no baggage/a true professional (which baby Lu is assuredly not). I also believe he is the better goalie, homer or no. Van needs to unload him and stay w Schneider. The only bets I see are 1) Florida, 2) TB, 3) Columbus, and maybe 4) Leafs. And the longer they wait, the quicker these holes will be filled.

If they keep Lu they are more delusional than the team you jab
- FLflames34

To me, this is a gross oversimplification. There are a number of teams out there with the need to upgrade their goaltending, and Luongo is the best option currently available to do that. The leverage situation you discuss would be accurate if there were just two teams in the league: Vancouver and the other one making the trade... the reason Vancouver has a reasonable expectation to get something back is because of the other teams out there that would look to make a trade.
- nfph

The problem is the position Lu plays, you can have many solid forwards or D but only one starting goalie. If you look around the league most teams have already locked down who they want to play that position and only a few teams are uncertain or might want to upgrade. Of those teams you have to take a look at their cap situation and their future prospects. Most teams that need a goalie wouldn't be willing to throw that kind of money at a goalie anyways especially for a long period of time. Don't forget his cap hit is 5.3 but his salary for the next 6 years is 6.7 thats a ton of money for a poor organization to have to pay out for an aging goalie.

The problem is the position Lu plays, you can have many solid forwards or D but only one starting goalie. If you look around the league most teams have already locked down who they want to play that position and only a few teams are uncertain or might want to upgrade. Of those teams you have to take a look at their cap situation and their future prospects. Most teams that need a goalie wouldn't be willing to throw that kind of money at a goalie anyways especially for a long period of time. Don't forget his cap hit is 5.3 but his salary for the next 6 years is 6.7 thats a ton of money for a poor organization to have to pay out for an aging goalie.
- Habsforever101

As opposed to a goalie who isn't aging? Get me one of those!!! You mention that Tampa is one of the poorer teams in an earlier post, but that's not really the case any more. Jeff Vinik has put a TON of money into the Lightning system since taking over as owner. There's room here if Yzerman wants Luongo.

In fact, most of the teams reported to have interest in Luongo have the money to pay him. Not the massive issue you're making it out to be.

If Lu and Kipper were on the market, Kip would be over Lu by miles,if for no other reason that a shorter term/no baggage/a true professional (which baby Lu is assuredly not). I also believe he is the better goalie, homer or no. Van needs to unload him and stay w Schneider. The only bets I see are 1) Florida, 2) TB, 3) Columbus, and maybe 4) Leafs. And the longer they wait, the quicker these holes will be filled.

If they keep Lu they are more delusional than the team you jab
- FLflames34

"Holes to be filled" --- are you saying there won't be holes to be filled every year? Kipper has ultimately done jack the past 5 years. Lou has been to a cup final and a Viezna finalist twice in that span ... come to think of it he WAS the PRIMARY goaltender in the sharing of the Jennings award 2 years ago. The only holes to be filled exist in your head and the head of everyone downplaying the value of a premier goaltender making NOT 6.7M but a cap hit (remember that key issue here as the new salary landscape after the new cba) but 5.3M ...Luongo is a stud when compared to 3/4 of the starters in the NHL today. Upside of future players like Bernier and Markstrom aside - he IS the best goaltender on the market for any team wanting to solve their questions in goal.

go fill your heads with sand... I have had fun saving all the absurd comments for the post I will be making after Luongo is traded for key players in the Canucks 2012 - 13 run at the cup.

To me, this is a gross oversimplification. There are a number of teams out there with the need to upgrade their goaltending, and Luongo is the best option currently available to do that. The leverage situation you discuss would be accurate if there were just two teams in the league: Vancouver and the other one making the trade... the reason Vancouver has a reasonable expectation to get something back is because of the other teams out there that would look to make a trade.
- nfph

I would agree and say a number of teams could use an upgrade.. but I only think there is a 2-4 teams that maybe interested in Luo... I guess we'll find out in June/july what you get for Luo... And if he is still there by then, that would not be a good situation.

I'd be really curious to know what the Canucks are being offered for Schneider.

The longer this situation drags on, the more intrigued I am by the prospect of trading Schneider. The Canucks could get a couple of very key roster pieces through trading Schneider. I'm not sure you can say the same about Luongo

Is the current gap between Schneider and Luongo enough to justify that pretty big discrepancy in assets? I'm not sure that it is.

As for everyone saying Lu is a top 5 goalie on this board, you do realize how ridiculous you sound right? I would take a number of goalies over Lu for both short and long term:
Rinne, Lundy, Quick, Howard, Price, Thomas, Halak, Smith, Backstrom, Fleury, Lethonen, Hiller, Ward, Kipper, Elliott and Miller. All of which have better contracts and are younger. If you look down the road a few years and take away the first place team that sit in front of Lu these guys are simply better goalies. Then if you mix in some of the young guys like Lindback, Bernier, Markstrom, Schneider, Varly, Dubnyk, Pavelec and Niemi which have a bright future ahead, the market for Lu just isn't that strong.
There are a lot of young talented goalies in the NHL and although I don't think most of them will have a great career like Lu has had and he still has a few years left they are still better options in goal than he is.

I would agree and say a number of teams could use an upgrade.. but I only think there is a 2-4 teams that maybe interested in Luo... I guess we'll find out in June/july what you get for Luo... And if he is still there by then, that would not be a good situation.
- wolverine19

Honestly, it's really tough to say. You would think that Toronto, Columbus and Tampa have to be interested. However, maybe one of those teams is not due to salary / contract length.

On the other hand, I think you probably have at least 2-3 mystery teams that would consider Luongo for one reason or another. Maybe the GM knows his job is dependent on making the playoffs this year. Maybe some GM just really thinks Luongo is an upgrade on his current goalie.

As for everyone saying Lu is a top 5 goalie on this board, you do realize how ridiculous you sound right? I would take a number of goalies over Lu for both short and long term:
Rinne, Lundy, Quick, Howard, Price, Thomas, Halak, Smith, Backstrom, Fleury, Lethonen, Hiller, Ward, Kipper, Elliott and Miller. All of which have better contracts and are younger. If you look down the road a few years and take away the first place team that sit in front of Lu these guys are simply better goalies. Then if you mix in some of the young guys like Lindback, Bernier, Markstrom, Schneider, Varly, Dubnyk, Pavelec and Niemi which have a bright future ahead, the market for Lu just isn't that strong.
There are a lot of young talented goalies in the NHL and although I don't think most of them will have a great career like Lu has had and he still has a few years left they are still better options in goal than he is.
- Habsforever101

Wow

As for everyone saying Lu is a top 5 goalie on this board, you do realize how ridiculous you sound right? I would take a number of goalies over Lu for both short and long term:
Rinne, Lundy, Quick, Howard, Price, Thomas, Halak, Smith, Backstrom, Fleury, Lethonen, Hiller, Ward, Kipper, Elliott and Miller. All of which have better contracts and are younger. If you look down the road a few years and take away the first place team that sit in front of Lu these guys are simply better goalies. Then if you mix in some of the young guys like Lindback, Bernier, Markstrom, Schneider, Varly, Dubnyk, Pavelec and Niemi which have a bright future ahead, the market for Lu just isn't that strong.
There are a lot of young talented goalies in the NHL and although I don't think most of them will have a great career like Lu has had and he still has a few years left they are still better options in goal than he is.
- Habsforever101

I may actually concur with 4 of your names... Rinne - Quick - Thomas - and perhaps Miller but he's a 50-50 guess and he sucked a$$ the past year when it counted. The rest of the namebars have all had stats far BELOW Roberto... save pctg / gav / and win totals combined Lou dominates the overall stats

Dubnyk?? really who IS ridiculous...??? That would be you t88L

As for everyone saying Lu is a top 5 goalie on this board, you do realize how ridiculous you sound right? I would take a number of goalies over Lu for both short and long term:
Rinne, Lundy, Quick, Howard, Price, Thomas, Halak, Smith, Backstrom, Fleury, Lethonen, Hiller, Ward, Kipper, Elliott and Miller. All of which have better contracts and are younger. If you look down the road a few years and take away the first place team that sit in front of Lu these guys are simply better goalies. Then if you mix in some of the young guys like Lindback, Bernier, Markstrom, Schneider, Varly, Dubnyk, Pavelec and Niemi which have a bright future ahead, the market for Lu just isn't that strong.
There are a lot of young talented goalies in the NHL and although I don't think most of them will have a great career like Lu has had and he still has a few years left they are still better options in goal than he is.
- Habsforever101

Those guys aren't better than Luongo. Many of them (like Elliott and Backstrom) are system goalies, and neither Lethonen or Howard has the proven pedigree that Luongo has.

As for everyone saying Lu is a top 5 goalie on this board, you do realize how ridiculous you sound right? I would take a number of goalies over Lu for both short and long term:
Rinne, Lundy, Quick, Howard, Price, Thomas, Halak, Smith, Backstrom, Fleury, Lethonen, Hiller, Ward, Kipper, Elliott and Miller. All of which have better contracts and are younger. If you look down the road a few years and take away the first place team that sit in front of Lu these guys are simply better goalies. Then if you mix in some of the young guys like Lindback, Bernier, Markstrom, Schneider, Varly, Dubnyk, Pavelec and Niemi which have a bright future ahead, the market for Lu just isn't that strong.
There are a lot of young talented goalies in the NHL and although I don't think most of them will have a great career like Lu has had and he still has a few years left they are still better options in goal than he is.
- Habsforever101

Rinne, Lundqvist, Quick and possibly Price...fair enough. The rest? Not a chance in the world. I pretty much lost you at Elliot. The guy has had ONE good season and you're putting him ahead of Luongo who has a career built on success?

I would have to agree.. I hope you get something for Luo.. But when all GM's know your hands are tied with him... They team looking to accuire Luo has most if not all of the leverage... hope fully you guys find a taker.
- wolverine19

this is logical if there is only 1 team interested...

As opposed to a goalie who isn't aging? Get me one of those!!! You mention that Tampa is one of the poorer teams in an earlier post, but that's not really the case any more. Jeff Vinik has put a TON of money into the Lightning system since taking over as owner. There's room here if Yzerman wants Luongo.

In fact, most of the teams reported to have interest in Luongo have the money to pay him. Not the massive issue you're making it out to be.
- Michael_Stuart

You know what I meant by aging, the guy is 33 and past his prime. Also Yzerman pretty much came out and said he's looking for a young guy who can become an elite goalie not a goalie who is 33 and was an elite goalie. As for the teams reported to have interest which I guess you mean Columbus, Islanders, Edmonton and Toronto? Which if you read my last post Lu makes no sense in both Edmonton as they have a goalie of the future and Bulin for another year and Islanders have a goalie signed for life, nabokov and Montoya who are all capable goalies. So basically its Columbus and Toronto and Columbus finished in last place so I doubt Lu wants to go there for a rebuild or that they wanna take on a that contract for the next 10 years while they try and rebuild their team...

As for everyone saying Lu is a top 5 goalie on this board, you do realize how ridiculous you sound right? I would take a number of goalies over Lu for both short and long term:
Rinne, Lundy, Quick, Howard, Price, Thomas, Halak, Smith, Backstrom, Fleury, Lethonen, Hiller, Ward, Kipper, Elliott and Miller. All of which have better contracts and are younger. If you look down the road a few years and take away the first place team that sit in front of Lu these guys are simply better goalies. Then if you mix in some of the young guys like Lindback, Bernier, Markstrom, Schneider, Varly, Dubnyk, Pavelec and Niemi which have a bright future ahead, the market for Lu just isn't that strong.
There are a lot of young talented goalies in the NHL and although I don't think most of them will have a great career like Lu has had and he still has a few years left they are still better options in goal than he is.
- Habsforever101

If it's just the system, why was he a vezina candidate in Florida?

You know what I meant by aging, the guy is 33 and past his prime. Also Yzerman pretty much came out and said he's looking for a young guy who can become an elite goalie not a goalie who is 33 and was an elite goalie. As for the teams reported to have interest which I guess you mean Columbus, Islanders, Edmonton and Toronto? Which if you read my last post Lu makes no sense in both Edmonton as they have a goalie of the future and Bulin for another year and Islanders have a goalie signed for life, nabokov and Montoya who are all capable goalies. So basically its Columbus and Toronto and Columbus finished in last place so I doubt Lu wants to go there for a rebuild or that they wanna take on a that contract for the next 10 years while they try and rebuild their team...
- Habsforever101

You know what I meant by aging, the guy is 33 and past his prime. Also Yzerman pretty much came out and said he's looking for a young guy who can become an elite goalie not a goalie who is 33 and was an elite goalie. As for the teams reported to have interest which I guess you mean Columbus, Islanders, Edmonton and Toronto? Which if you read my last post Lu makes no sense in both Edmonton as they have a goalie of the future and Bulin for another year and Islanders have a goalie signed for life, nabokov and Montoya who are all capable goalies. So basically its Columbus and Toronto and Columbus finished in last place so I doubt Lu wants to go there for a rebuild or that they wanna take on a that contract for the next 10 years while they try and rebuild their team...
- Habsforever101

what part of a NTC does everyone seem to be missing? Lou is in charge where he goes. T.O. is on the list but the Canucks won't be dealing with a team in the Western Conference IMO (even though a Chicago trade for the natives of BC is intriguing in the case of Keith or Seabrook) Tampa Bay has to be the #1 destination followed by possibly Detroit with realignment...then Toronto and lastly as an outside FLA or NJD if Marty would retire.

I may actually concur with 4 of your names... Rinne - Quick - Thomas - and perhaps Miller but he's a 50-50 guess and he sucked a$$ the past year when it counted. The rest of the namebars have all had stats far BELOW Roberto... save pctg / gav / and win totals combined Lou dominates the overall stats

Dubnyk?? really who IS ridiculous...??? That would be you t88L
- deanofnucks

So Henrik Lundqvist doesn't make your list ahead of Luongo? Fleury has a cup and besides last year has solid numbers, Price on a last place team had numbers similar to Luongo last year. Kipper had better numbers last year as did Howard, lethonen, Halak and Smith. Not to mention most of the goalies I listed are like I said younger with smaller contracts and have time to grow. Like I said Career wise ya Luongo is better than most of the guys I named but were not talking Career, were talking goalies for the future and in the next couple of years Luongo is on the decline and the guys I listed are young and only getting better.

I'd be really curious to know what the Canucks are being offered for Schneider.

The longer this situation drags on, the more intrigued I am by the prospect of trading Schneider. The Canucks could get a couple of very key roster pieces through trading Schneider. I'm not sure you can say the same about Luongo

Is the current gap between Schneider and Luongo enough to justify that pretty big discrepancy in assets? I'm not sure that it is.
- Brandon_Lee

+1000

Nuck fans will continue to argue lu's worth because of how good he is.
Everyone else continues to argue his lack of worth due to age and contract.

I really dont think too many people would argue schneiders worth though.
Young, has shown his skill, cheap etc.

If lu is as valuable and as good as most canucks fans think, ( i generally agree - at least the talent part) keep him and deal corey.
Lu's locked up already, and corey will bring a solid return without the anchor salary in return. More return than lu id wager.

Unless of course, u only want to deal lu, or everyone knows hes asked for a trade already.
Then his value takes another hit.

what part of a NTC does everyone seem to be missing? Lou is in charge where he goes. T.O. is on the list but the Canucks won't be dealing with a team in the Western Conference IMO (even though a Chicago trade for the natives of BC is intriguing in the case of Keith or Seabrook) Tampa Bay has to be the #1 destination followed by possibly Detroit with realignment...then Toronto and lastly as an outside FLA or NJD if Marty would retire.
- deanofnucks

So Yzerman the GM coming out and saying he's not interested in Luongo means its the number one place? And Detroit really?? The have a guy there named Jimmy Howard who last year had more wins, better Gaa and Better % than Luongo and hes younger and cheaper. But I guess Detroit getting Luongo makes a ton of sense??

So Henrik Lundqvist doesn't make your list ahead of Luongo? Fleury has a cup and besides last year has solid numbers, Price on a last place team had numbers similar to Luongo last year. Kipper had better numbers last year as did Howard, lethonen, Halak and Smith. Not to mention most of the goalies I listed are like I said younger with smaller contracts and have time to grow. Like I said Career wise ya Luongo is better than most of the guys I named but were not talking Career, were talking goalies for the future and in the next couple of years Luongo is on the decline and the guys I listed are young and only getting better.
- Habsforever101

Fleury isn't even a top 10 in the league. I'd argue he's not top 15