I never mentioned anything about the cap hit. Its the remaining 50 million dollars that needs to be paid. Not many teams can afford to gamble on that. The jury is still out on if super long contracts are worth the risk...probably especially so with goalies.

And even with the super long term, Luongo's cap hit is still one of the highest in the league (#8).

Also, no one said that Gillis has to move Luongo but it may be very hard to go back to how things were after the Canucks went with Schneider in the playoffs, Luongo asked for a trade, etc. It can be very poisonous to the team.

And I don't think the Canucks have a lot of options if they choose to move Luongo...the market is limited by a lot of factors especially cost, need and Luongo's NTC list. Obviously Schneider is much easier to trade.

I guess we will see what happens.
- apollo678

The mysterious list .Has anyone ever really seen THE LIST

The only number the fans have to worry about is 31.8 over 6 years. I hear so many Leaf fans say the Leafs have very deep pockets. Then this should be a drop in the bucket the extra 18.2 mil.
- VANTEL

And that is why the Leafs make sense and most of the other teams do not. The Leafs/MLSE sold for $1.32 billion earlier this year to Rogers and Bell. For the Leafs, you would think that money matters far less than the actual assets that would need to go to Vancouver to make the trade happen. The market is quite limited with or without Luongo's trade list.

Price, Howard and Halak are all pretty sick goalies and have solid careers ahead of them. The fact that you would put Luongo at 33 ahead of Price shows me your knowledge of goalies. As for Smith, Elliott and Lethonen all had better numbers than Luongo this year and are all younger than him. Lethonen was a big goalie prospect and didn't work out in atlanta because of injury not talent. His past 2 years in Dallas have been stellar, skill wise he is definitely better than Luongo. If you're talking about a career then yes luongo has had a better career but this past year those guys all played better than luongo plain and simple. Watch the games don't just look at the stats.
- Habsforever101

What the hell does age have to do with who's a better goalie. I'm not debating trade value, or value to a rebuilding team, where age and contract are a factor. The bottom line is Luongo IS NOW a better goalie than the players I listed.

Stats are misleading. I don't give a crap what Smith, Halak, and Elliott's stats are this season. Stats can be (and are in the case of those goalies) grossly inflated by the system each team plays.

Luongo had one of his least successful seasons statistically, but was more important to the team, and single-handedly stole or influenced more games for the Canucks than any season since his first as a Canuck.

Wow. You make many questionable comments about goaltending, and you question my knowledge, when your analysis is as superficial as age and stats...

That is actually incorrect, thomas had 0 this year 4 last year and 1 in 2010 which would give him 5! Also you forgot about Niemi who had 4 in 2010 when he won the cup and 2 the next year with SJ when they went to the conference finals which would give him 6. Therefore Luongo is third on the list but nice try, do some research please
- Habsforever101

You need to watch a Canucks game or two if you don't think Luongo is still elite. He was their MVP this season by a country mile. The team didn't look interested at all for most of the season (hard to get back to the emotional high that was the SCF) but Luongo was always there and ready to play. The guy stood on his head time and time again. So quit with all this Luongo has the benefit of playing behind one of the best teams in hockey nonsense. The team was brutal for most of the season but Lui was there; the team can thank him for bringing home that President's Trophy.

You need to watch a Canucks game or two if you don't think Luongo is still elite. He was their MVP this season by a country mile. The team didn't look interested at all for most of the season (hard to get back to the emotional high that was the SCF) but Luongo was always there and ready to play. The guy stood on his head time and time again. So quit with all this Luongo has the benefit of playing behind one of the best teams in hockey nonsense. The team was brutal for most of the season but Lui was there; the team can thank him for bringing home that President's Trophy.
- Michael_Stuart

Bang on

I'd also like to direct you to this statistic.

http://www.quanthockey.co...e-percentage-leaders.html

Note Roberto at 5th, and the games played of those above him compared to his.

Obviously an incredible talent who holds a lot of value, especially being the 8th or 9th highest paid goalie (per cap hit) in the league today.
- bureforearthsprez

He is 2nd for SP out of a long list of great goalies who have played over 500 games in their careers... those are very impressive numbers for a guy who has played over 700 games in the NHL.. Wow

You need to watch a Canucks game or two if you don't think Luongo is still elite. He was their MVP this season by a country mile. The team didn't look interested at all for most of the season (hard to get back to the emotional high that was the SCF) but Luongo was always there and ready to play. The guy stood on his head time and time again. So quit with all this Luongo has the benefit of playing behind one of the best teams in hockey nonsense. The team was brutal for most of the season but Lui was there; the team can thank him for bringing home that President's Trophy.
- Michael_Stuart

Ya in all honesty they actually only had two months of good hockey. Even the second half when they were winning they were being outplayed nightly. It was our goaltenders that got the presidents trophy. If it wasn't for Luongo and Schneider this team would have been in the middle of the pack.

He is 2nd for SP out of a long list of great goalies who have played over 500 games in their careers... those are very impressive numbers for a guy who has played over 700 games in the NHL.. Wow
- kneughter

As has been said on here before, Lu's value will go up as the summer goes on. Personally, I'd love for him to waive to go to CLS as I think we'd somehow get the best deal from them.

The stuff on here from TO fans is just mind-boggling. We'll give you our 3rd/4th line injury-plagued garbage for an elite goalie. Yes, makes total sense. We'll roll Lu and Shneids for another season way before that happens. If Schneider signs for say 3M, that'll have us at 8.3M in goal for next season. Not ideal obviously but workable. We're not forced to do anything.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Schneider will be re-signed before Lu gets dealt (if he gets dealt at all)?

helped make this video. what do you guys think?

As has been said on here before, Lu's value will go up as the summer goes on. Personally, I'd love for him to waive to go to CLS as I think we'd somehow get the best deal from them.

The stuff on here from TO fans is just mind-boggling. We'll give you our 3rd/4th line injury-plagued garbage for an elite goalie. Yes, makes total sense. We'll roll Lu and Shneids for another season way before that happens. If Schneider signs for say 3M, that'll have us at 8.3M in goal for next season. Not ideal obviously but workable. We're not forced to do anything.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Schneider will be re-signed before Lu gets dealt (if he gets dealt at all)?
- AlexF

There are 2 things that need to be considered before either goalie gets traded..

1) The price and term Schneider signs for.... if he wants to sign a 1 year deal to become a UFA.. or wants more than 4 million. Is a 1 million savings between Schneider and Lu really beneficial for this team considering the return we would get?

2) What return will there be for either guy? If Scneider gets you Columbus 2nd overall and Johansen (hypothetical) And Lu gets you Methot and a 2nd... its a no brainer to trade Scneider.

Those 2 things need to be taken into consideration... I would rather take Lu at 5.3 than Schneider at 4.5 especially taking the return into consideration.

Just how I see it at least.

You need to watch a Canucks game or two if you don't think Luongo is still elite. He was their MVP this season by a country mile. The team didn't look interested at all for most of the season (hard to get back to the emotional high that was the SCF) but Luongo was always there and ready to play. The guy stood on his head time and time again. So quit with all this Luongo has the benefit of playing behind one of the best teams in hockey nonsense. The team was brutal for most of the season but Lui was there; the team can thank him for bringing home that President's Trophy.
- Michael_Stuart

Have you watched any of the other teams on a consistent basis this year? Have you seen Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Price, Smith, Thomas, Lethonen, Ward etc play? All are crucial pieces to their team and stood on their heads most nights to make the difference. To get the status of elite as a goalie you gotta be around the top, people have agreed with me he isn't top 5 which would put him outside elite. His numbers are average and considering he's played only 55 games they're not great at all.
Luongo has never won a thing in his whole career, not a cup or a vezina. He is past his prime and you still think the guy is elite? Schneider on the same team had a .937% with a 1.96 gaa in 20 less games but still how can a young guy do that much better on the same team? And then in the playoffs Luongo was complete garbage, you're gonna try and tell me he's still elite? Schneider let in 3 less goals in 1 more game against the same team. Please guys open your eyes, you may be vancouver fans but take a look at the competition luongo just isn't there.

I think you guys also fail to realize what Luongo will get trade value wise, last time he was traded which was 6 years ago in his prime, the return was Bertuzzi( just after he knocked out Moore and had a terrible year) Auld( career backup) and Bryan Allen( decent d man) Not that much for a 27 year old goalie who was at the top of his game and no big contract. Now at 33 with 10 more years at 5.3 you think someone is giving you a top prospect for the guy? Wake up

Have you watched any of the other teams on a consistent basis this year? Have you seen Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Price, Smith, Thomas, Lethonen, Ward etc play? All are crucial pieces to their team and stood on their heads most nights to make the difference. To get the status of elite as a goalie you gotta be around the top, people have agreed with me he isn't top 5 which would put him outside elite. His numbers are average and considering he's played only 55 games they're not great at all.
Luongo has never won a thing in his whole career, not a cup or a vezina. He is past his prime and you still think the guy is elite? Schneider on the same team had a .937% with a 1.96 gaa in 20 less games but still how can a young guy do that much better on the same team? And then in the playoffs Luongo was complete garbage, you're gonna try and tell me he's still elite? Schneider let in 3 less goals in 1 more game against the same team. Please guys open your eyes, you may be vancouver fans but take a look at the competition luongo just isn't there.
- Habsforever101

Just for fun, what have the guys other then ward and Thomas won?

Yet they're all better than Lu?

Hmmmm

I think you guys also fail to realize what Luongo will get trade value wise, last time he was traded which was 6 years ago in his prime, the return was Bertuzzi( just after he knocked out Moore and had a terrible year) Auld( career backup) and Bryan Allen( decent d man) Not that much for a 27 year old goalie who was at the top of his game and no big contract. Now at 33 with 10 more years at 5.3 you think someone is giving you a top prospect for the guy? Wake up
- Habsforever101

Remember, this is a league in which a GM was dumb enough to pay Scott Gomez $10 million for one year. Anything can happen.

Have you watched any of the other teams on a consistent basis this year? Have you seen Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Price, Smith, Thomas, Lethonen, Ward etc play? All are crucial pieces to their team and stood on their heads most nights to make the difference. To get the status of elite as a goalie you gotta be around the top, people have agreed with me he isn't top 5 which would put him outside elite. His numbers are average and considering he's played only 55 games they're not great at all.
Luongo has never won a thing in his whole career, not a cup or a vezina. He is past his prime and you still think the guy is elite? Schneider on the same team had a .937% with a 1.96 gaa in 20 less games but still how can a young guy do that much better on the same team? And then in the playoffs Luongo was complete garbage, you're gonna try and tell me he's still elite? Schneider let in 3 less goals in 1 more game against the same team. Please guys open your eyes, you may be vancouver fans but take a look at the competition luongo just isn't there.
- Habsforever101

You watch 9 teams play almost all of their games? You must be quite popular. I thought they say Montreal is supposed to be a fun city?

EDIT: Luongo was "complete garbage" in the playoffs? And you tell others that they need to watch these goalies on a consistent basis.

Have you watched any of the other teams on a consistent basis this year? Have you seen Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Price, Smith, Thomas, Lethonen, Ward etc play? All are crucial pieces to their team and stood on their heads most nights to make the difference. To get the status of elite as a goalie you gotta be around the top, people have agreed with me he isn't top 5 which would put him outside elite. His numbers are average and considering he's played only 55 games they're not great at all.
Luongo has never won a thing in his whole career, not a cup or a vezina. He is past his prime and you still think the guy is elite? Schneider on the same team had a .937% with a 1.96 gaa in 20 less games but still how can a young guy do that much better on the same team? And then in the playoffs Luongo was complete garbage, you're gonna try and tell me he's still elite? Schneider let in 3 less goals in 1 more game against the same team. Please guys open your eyes, you may be vancouver fans but take a look at the competition luongo just isn't there.
- Habsforever101

Okay, here’s my list of points:

1. Yeah, I watch other teams on a consistent basis. At no point did I said that Roberto performed better than Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne this season. He didn’t. All of those guys are crucial pieces to their team and made things happen nightly, absolutely. However, to say Luongo didn’t do that this season is just ignorant. Luongo was phenomenal this year in his ability to keep the team above water when they weren’t playing well.

2. He played 55 games…more than Backstrom, Elliott, Halak, Varlamov, nearly the same as Howard, Thomas, Lehtonen etc. etc. etc. So your point pretty much goes out the window right there as those are the guys you have consistently used to bash Luongo. Forgive the Canucks, Bruins, Blues, Wild etc. for having two goalies they can use effectively. It’s hard to imagine that from a Canadiens/Lightning perspective, I know…but try, please.

3. Luongo has never won a thing in his career? I remember this gold thing….in his hometown…with more pressure that you or I could ever possibly imagine. He came up pretty big in that tournament when Brodeur faltered….but that must just be my ridiculously biased opinion of Luongo.

4. Schneider played less…and is better? Once again we’re back to that whole concept of having two great goalies. CONFUSING…I know.

5. You clearly didn’t watch the playoffs if you think Luongo was garbage. He was not even close to being the reason the Kings beat the Canucks. The team didn’t show up in front of him.

6. I’m a Lightning fan….I understand the whole “having two goalies” thing can be a little confusing too so I’ll forgive you for not looking at my avatar.

You watch 9 teams play almost all of their games? You must be quite popular. I thought they say Montreal is supposed to be a fun city?

EDIT: Luongo was "complete garbage" in the playoffs? And you tell others that they need to watch these goalies on a consistent basis.
- hankthetank

The guy knows jack about goalies. Any list without Marty is a bit of a joke.

How you leave him off is nuts

I think you guys also fail to realize what Luongo will get trade value wise, last time he was traded which was 6 years ago in his prime, the return was Bertuzzi( just after he knocked out Moore and had a terrible year) Auld( career backup) and Bryan Allen( decent d man) Not that much for a 27 year old goalie who was at the top of his game and no big contract. Now at 33 with 10 more years at 5.3 you think someone is giving you a top prospect for the guy? Wake up
- Habsforever101

Jeeeeez you're bad at research. Luongo had rejected a contract offer from Florida at that point and essentially did all but demand a trade out.

The guy knows jack about goalies. Any list without Marty is a bit of a joke.

How you leave him off is nuts
- IanEsplen

When the guy supporting the sun belt Florida team can figure this sh*t out....you know it's pretty basic.

The guy knows jack about goalies. Any list without Marty is a bit of a joke.

How you leave him off is nuts
- IanEsplen

Maybe he's bitter towards Quebec born goalies.

When the guy supporting the sun belt Florida team can figure this sh*t out....you know it's pretty basic.
- Michael_Stuart

Just for fun, what have the guys other then ward and Thomas won?

Yet they're all better than Lu?

Hmmmm
- IanEsplen

I've watched very little of these playoffs but the segments I've seen of NY had me swearing there were 6 goalies out there at times.Not saying Lundquist isn't a fine goalie but system has a ton to do with goalie stats and many of the goalies he mentioned play for trap-style teams.

The Canucks play an attack-first game with defenders constantly pinching and jumping in on the rush, leaving the goalie exposed to odd-man rushes and numerous shots from the slot. See Elliot and Smith for examples of the benefits of defensive-first teams on goalie stats.

I've watched very little of these playoffs but the segments I've seen of NY had me swearing there were 6 goalies out there at times.Not saying Lundquist isn't a fine goalie but system has a ton to do with goalie stats and many of the goalies he mentioned play for trap-style teams.

The Canucks play an attack-first game with defenders constantly pinching and jumping in on the rush, leaving the goalie exposed to odd-man rushes and numerous shots from the slot. See Elliot and Smith for examples of the benefits of defensive-first teams on goalie stats.
- AlexF

This is too reasonable....

Smith is obviously the example I have the most experience with and man....systems benefit like no tomorrow. Bryzgalov is now the same way; he looks pretty average in Philly.

I think you guys also fail to realize what Luongo will get trade value wise, last time he was traded which was 6 years ago in his prime, the return was Bertuzzi( just after he knocked out Moore and had a terrible year) Auld( career backup) and Bryan Allen( decent d man) Not that much for a 27 year old goalie who was at the top of his game and no big contract. Now at 33 with 10 more years at 5.3 you think someone is giving you a top prospect for the guy? Wake up
- Habsforever101

That was just a bad trade by a GM with too much faith in Bertuzzi. I doubt you forget what he horrible contract of Scott Gomez got in return.....You never know.

This is too reasonable....

Smith is obviously the example I have the most experience with and man....systems benefit like no tomorrow. Bryzgalov is now the same way; he looks pretty average in Philly.
- Michael_Stuart

Elliott, Halak, smith, quick are all average goalies doing well in systems.