Pretty sure they didn't get past the second round 3 years ago did they? So that year he won 1 series and played in 2 but you clearly stated series wins. So it stands at 4 and Thomas has 5
- Habsforever101

Habs... settle yourself.

Sorry to confuse you.

Maybe this is easier for you.... how many home dates has Lou played since he has been in Vancouver. I could tell you but you seem intent on being a twit. So go look it up if you disagree that he has brought more home date cash to owners than any other goalie over the same time period.

That was my point. Again... sorry you missed it and were intent on starting a hissy-fit.

Elliott, Halak, smith, quick are all average goalies doing well in systems.
- Scooby_Doo

give quick more credit then that

give quick more credit then that
- numbear

He was just checking if any Kings fans were around.

give quick more credit then that
- numbear

He's a great goalie, but his numbers would not be as great had he played on the Canucks, who give up many more quality chances than the Kings. The main reason why goalie stats are so padded and why they play with much more confidence in defensive systems is the shot to scoring chance ratio. Pretty much 1 out of every 3 or 4 shot that Lu has had to face this season was a legit scoring chance, meanwhile guys like Quick and Smith can face 10 shots with maybe 1 being a "grade A scoring chance." Smith and Elliot were very average goalies, but now that they play in these systems they put up better numbers, and better numbers means higher confidence which means better overall performance(which is why Smith and Quick were playing out of their minds at times during the playoffs).

You cannot underestimate the mental side of goaltending, confidence can go a long way and goalies who play in a defensive system are generally much more comfortable and confident in net. Just look at Luongo during the 06-07 season in Vancouver. How was Mike Smith in Tampa? Sure the 1-3-1 was the system they played, but they still gave up a lot of high quality scoring chances. Brian Elliot in Ottawa and Colorado? Not exactly great defensive teams. Brygalov was thought of as a top 10 goalie and look at him now. Pittsburgh played a more up-tempo offensive style this season and Fleury struggled.

Remember Manny Fernandez and Dwayne Roloson in Minny under Lemaire? Or how about all the Nashville goalies over the past 7 or 8 years? All of those goalies couldn't put up the same numbers in more offensive systems.

Luongo is NOT an upgrade over what we have now. Neither of the two goaltenders on our roster currently are crybabies. NO THANKS.

I think you guys also fail to realize what Luongo will get trade value wise, last time he was traded which was 6 years ago in his prime, the return was Bertuzzi( just after he knocked out Moore and had a terrible year) Auld( career backup) and Bryan Allen( decent d man) Not that much for a 27 year old goalie who was at the top of his game and no big contract. Now at 33 with 10 more years at 5.3 you think someone is giving you a top prospect for the guy? Wake up
- Habsforever101

Wow

give quick more credit then that
- numbear

Quick is pretty damn good down low but he gets out of position a lot and he's not that good up high. He's honestly made out to look like the greatest goalie ever but he's really not. Shiddy is right. Look at Bryz this year and look at him last year. The system a goalie plays in is huge for his stats. Imagine if the Canucks still played like they did in 06/07......Luongo and Schneider would be very close to the league lead in all categories. I can't imagine Schneiders numbers if the Canucks d weren't giving up odd man rushes like it was their job.

Luongo is NOT an upgrade over what we have now. Neither of the two goaltenders on our roster currently are crybabies. NO THANKS.
- PanthersGoal

I find it funny a lot of fan bases are saying they dont want him but if they got him they'd all be happy and trying to justify the trade. He's a premier goalie still. Any fringe team should be ecstatic to get him.

Quick is pretty damn good down low but he gets out of position a lot and he's not that good up high. He's honestly made out to look like the greatest goalie ever but he's really not. Shiddy is right. Look at Bryz this year and look at him last year. The system a goalie plays in is huge for his stats. Imagine if the Canucks still played like they did in 06/07......Luongo and Schneider would be very close to the league lead in all categories. I can't imagine Schneiders numbers if the Canucks d weren't giving up odd man rushes like it was their job.
- Boinker

This is my concern going forward with this team. The defense is not as great as some people suggest and our forwards are not as elite either.This is a very offensive minded team ,but by being that way give up way to many chances.

I like how the other teams get to talk about the prospect combine and all the upcoming young players....all we get to talk about is that greezzy Italian guy

This is my concern going forward with this team. The defense is not as great as some people suggest and our forwards are not as elite either.This is a very offensive minded team ,but by being that way give up way to many chances.
- VANTEL

I'm not sure what happened this year. Were they tired and banged up? Not as good as we thought? or was the window a lot smaller than we thought? The defense needs to improve for one. They also need to get younger. Does Gillis trade one of our goalies for a roster player who will be getting old fairly soon and try to win the cup next year or does he make trades to get younger and not necessarily improving the team now but for the future. I still think this team has a real good chance next year but it depends on the development of Edler, health of Kesler, the aging of the Sedins and the assets we get back for Luongo. If all of the above is favorable than they will have a real good shot at the cup next year.

I'm not sure what happened this year. Were they tired and banged up? Not as good as we thought? or was the window a lot smaller than we thought? The defense needs to improve for one. They also need to get younger. Does Gillis trade one of our goalies for a roster player who will be getting old fairly soon and try to win the cup next year or does he make trades to get younger and not necessarily improving the team now but for the future. I still think this team has a real good chance next year but it depends on the development of Edler, health of Kesler, the aging of the Sedins and the assets we get back for Luongo. If all of the above is favorable than they will have a real good shot at the cup next year.
- Boinker

Part of the reason was being banged up and overworked. You can not have a player with one eye who takes faceoffs sided by two unskilled players playing the 4 th line. The limited time drew on overworking Kesler and Burrows.Our 3 line is excellent. We need a 2 nd line.Evauate how the game will be played and build that type of line.

Our D was horrible last year. We never knew if we were getting the Keystone Kops or a real D.Our goaltending covered so many problems with this team.

Hopefully there will be some smart GMs that realize the value of Luongo. If we don't get the offer we need then hold on to both. If it was not for our goaltending the playoffs could have been a questionmark last year.

Luongo is NOT an upgrade over what we have now. Neither of the two goaltenders on our roster currently are crybabies. NO THANKS.
- PanthersGoal

And here I was thinking that most teams need to acquire a player stemmed from their playing ability, not how quickly that player was driven to tears.

Ask most Canadiens fans and they'll tell you that Jose Theodore's about as big a crybaby as there is.

And here I was thinking that most teams need to acquire a player stemmed from their playing ability, not how quickly that player was driven to tears.

Ask most Canadiens fans and they'll tell you that Jose Theodore's about as big a crybaby as there is.
- Fosco

And there you might be correct, maybe not. I can only go by how Theodore acted with our team this year. He was no problem with his time sharing with Clemmenson. No issues. Not that he'd be giving any crap to someone like Dineen or Tallon. Don't see that happening. Why would we take Luongo's contract when Theodore basically will be mentoring Markstrom for the last year of his deal here. Do you honestly see someone like Luongo mentoring Markstrom..and..for THAT contract, he wouldn't be! He'd have to be inserted in the lineup for the times to come, that ain't happening here. So again, I say we don't need the type of attitude he carries, and he's not going to fit in with Markstrom getting the job shortly.

And there you might be correct, maybe not. I can only go by how Theodore acted with our team this year. He was no problem with his time sharing with Clemmenson. No issues. Not that he'd be giving any crap to someone like Dineen or Tallon. Don't see that happening. Why would we take Luongo's contract when Theodore basically will be mentoring Markstrom for the last year of his deal here. Do you honestly see someone like Luongo mentoring Markstrom..and..for THAT contract, he wouldn't be! He'd have to be inserted in the lineup for the times to come, that ain't happening here. So again, I say we don't need the type of attitude he carries, and he's not going to fit in with Markstrom getting the job shortly.
- PanthersGoal

Luongo is a huge upgrade over Theodore and Clemmenson but I don't see why Florida has to trade for him today when Markstrom could potentially pan out.

And for the record, Luongo did a great job playing 1-2 with Schneider.

Luongo is a huge upgrade over Theodore and Clemmenson but I don't see why Florida has to trade for him today when Markstrom could potentially pan out.

And for the record, Luongo did a great job playing 1-2 with Schneider.
- bureforearthsprez

HUGE upgrade???
Luongo 2.41
Theodore 2.46
Clemmensen 2.57

Again...NO THANK YOU.

HUGE upgrade???
Luongo 2.41
Theodore 2.46
Clemmensen 2.57

Again...NO THANK YOU.
- PanthersGoal

I can do that too!

Fleischmann 61 points
Weiss 57 points
Versteeg 54 points
Crosby 37 points

Why would you want Crosby?... doesn't seem like an upgrade.

HUGE upgrade???
Luongo 2.41
Theodore 2.46
Clemmensen 2.57

Again...NO THANK YOU.
- PanthersGoal

He is a huge upgrade. I don't think anyone with any objectivity or real knowledge-base would deny that.

I'm talking about the player, not the contract or the situation with Markstrom.

He is a huge upgrade. I don't think anyone with any objectivity or real knowledge-base would deny that.

I'm talking about the player, not the contract or the situation with Markstrom.
- bureforearthsprez

disagree.

disagree.
- PanthersGoal

Well I fully respect your right to do so but you should know that you're wrong.

Well I fully respect your right to do so but you should know that you're wrong.
- bureforearthsprez

You keep saying "huge" upgrade, and with all the numbers you can dig up, "huge" over Theodore is incorrect.

You keep saying "huge" upgrade, and with all the numbers you can dig up, "huge" over Theodore is incorrect.
- PanthersGoal

Ripped straight from somebody else, but does the conversation justice.

Originally Posted by CCF23
People ridiculously undervalue Luongo and completely blow out of proportion the value of that contract.

Let's look at a few facts:

- Roberto Luongo has won 30+ games in 7 constitutive seasons and 35+ in 5 of those 7 seasons.

- Roberto Luongo has posted a save % of .915 or above every year he's been a starter in the NHLexcept for two (.913 in 09-10 and .914 in 05-06).

- Roberto Luongo has posted a GAA of 2.41 or below in 5 of his 6 seasons in Vancouver.

- Roberto Luongo has won a gold medal.

- Roberto Luongo was the goaltender for the lowest scoring team ever to make it to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals.

- Roberto Luongo's cap hit is 7th highest among NHL goalies and will likely be 8th after Carey Price signs.

- With the salary cap set to go to around $70 million, Robero Luongo's cap hit will be 7.6% of a team's total salary cap. Compared to the first season after the lockout (when the cap was $39 million), that would've been a $2.96 million salary (7.6% of that cap). His cap hit is exceptionally reasonable for what he brings.

Theodore has put up 30+ wins 4 times in his career versus Luongo's 7, and among those he has two 40+ seasons.

Theodore has not posted a season above .920 since 01/02, the year he won the Hart Trophy. This is also the only season he has ever posted a save percentage above .920. Luongo has 5 seasons at .920 or higher.

Save % averages over the last 6 seasons, Theodore .908 - , Luongo - .920

Games played over that same span. Theodore 275, Luongo - 386.



How do those numbers look?

Theodore has put up 30+ wins 4 times in his career versus Luongo's 7, and among those he has two 40+ seasons.

Theodore has not posted a season above .920 since 01/02, the year he won the Hart Trophy. This is also the only season he has ever posted a save percentage above .920. Luongo has 5 seasons at .920 or higher.

Save % averages over the last 6 seasons, Theodore .908 - , Luongo - .920

Games played over that same span. Theodore 275, Luongo - 386.



How do those numbers look?
- bureforearthsprez

Wow!!!. A guy THAT valuable..your team should really contemplate holding on to him, huh???? Why is HE potentially leaving? Like I said, my friend..I mean no disrespect to you or your team, look, we stole him from the Islanders, and YOU stole him from us...On THIS PANTHERS TEAM, at THIS time, and THAT contract, he is NO MORE valuable to this franchise than Theodore. IF HE already played here, and with that contract, we'd have to move him too. The net soon belongs to Markstrom.

Why you feel the need to tell me that my "knowledge" is in question, well, I'll just let that slide. We all know "US FOLK" down here yonder..don't know squat, and we're lucky to have the team, and their leaving for Quebec in 37 minutes.

Wow!!!. A guy THAT valuable..your team should really contemplate holding on to him, huh???? Why is HE potentially leaving? Like I said, my friend..I mean no disrespect to you or your team, look, we stole him from the Islanders, and YOU stole him from us...On THIS PANTHERS TEAM, at THIS time, and THAT contract, he is NO MORE valuable to this franchise than Theodore. IF HE already played here, and with that contract, we'd have to move him too. The net soon belongs to Markstrom.

Why you feel the need to tell me that my "knowledge" is in question, well, I'll just let that slide. We all know "US FOLK" down here yonder..don't know squat, and we're lucky to have the team, and their leaving for Quebec in 37 minutes.
- PanthersGoal

I'm not talking about the contract. I agree it doesn't make sense in terms of length because you have Markstrom. All I'm saying is if the Panthers need to win a game tomorrow they are better off with Luongo in net than Theodore. That's called an upgrade.

His contract isn't even bad from a cap hit perspective though.

And HE is potentially leaving because he asked to be traded. Why? We have an equally good goaltender who is 6 or 7 years younger. Lou doesn't like to ride the pine, he's a number 1 goalie, and he has pride in his game. He's not being traded because of his deficiencies. Hell it's not even certain that he's going yet. Likely, but not certain.

Your knowledge has nothing to do with "you folk" as you put it. I'd say the same thing to my next door neighbour if he made the same asinine statement that Theo is equal to Lou. It's nuts. Absolutely nuts.