You can have Kane. As long as Tyler Myers is part of the deal. Kane is a great player, that cant be denied. I for one think he is a spoiled little punk that wont grow up. I think his father is his enabler. Things will not change. the guy is a cancer off ice and needs to go ASAP.

Its a shame because the sky is the limit with his talent. One player doesnt make a team. and if a player is a disruption to the team he should be moved for the great good.
- BigMike19

I get you want the best return, but if we were the GM's of our respective teams and you came to me with this exact proposal I would immediately hang up. You talked him down so much that it really does not make sense.

And there is nothing wrong with that IMO

Paul Holmgren knows about coin-flip trades.. And he's watching his former captain and another "cast off" back in the Stanley Cup finals.

I think the Flyers will be fine with these trades eventually but right now, it's Dean Lombardi looking like the smart one.
- pri$ey

The trade worked very well for both teams. Richie and Carts are not leading the kings to the cup.... More like supporting cast.....but I hope they do win it, with gagne as well. I can't find a single flyers fan that if given the chance today would trade Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, Couturier, Cousins, and Grossman (acquired with a 2nd in that deal) back for Carter and Richards.

To Ottawa:

- Patrick Kane
- 2012 2nd round pick

To Chicago

- Milan Michalek
- 2012 1st round pick
- Robin Lehner

Part of the reason Oduya had trouble in the playoffs was being paired with Leddy.

He has to paired with a tougher, stay-at-home type guy if he's going to be successful.

Methot could be that guy, at almost $1 million cheaper than Hammer.

JJ, I know your feelings about Garrioch but what do you think of the article he had today about the top 5 Sens players that could be traded.

Foligno
Lehner
Butler
Gonchar
Smith

If Bolland is traded in a package for a top 6 center, Zack Smith is a guy that would do better in his position than Kruger IMO. And he comes very cheap right now.

Foligno (RFA) could also be a forward who could help this team.

Lehner is possibly an upgrade over Crawford at this point.
- pri$ey

I have a hard time believing Smith is on the block but if he is then he'd look good in a Hawks jersey...and so would Nash (please not Toronto!).

There has been considerable talk in Ottawa (fans and media) about the Sens moving a goalie. Lehner has done all he can do at the AHL level so the Sens need to do something. I don't think sitting Lehner on the bench behind Anderson is the solution either because Lehner needs to continue his development. It's plausible the Sens are looking to move Lehner but beware because he still has maturing to do that has nothing to do with his play.

Like I've been saying , Id rather give Kane a sniper to work with but If the Hawks have decided to trade him there is nothing I can do about it. Nash ? Bobby Ryan ? Getzlaf ? If Montreal is the Trade partner you have to figure PRICE is not involved so PK Subban , Travis Moen and a pick ?? I don't know , If they do move Kane I hope it comes to a head quick, getting kind of sick of it.
- mrpaulish

Getzlaf under performed last year ,has been called lazy and was involved in a bar incident at the Worlds. Jumping out of the pot and into the fire.

See , the year right after the cup is not what Im upset about. The Hawks had ZERO leverage going into that summer.

Now this past season we were told that Campbell was traded to provide cap relief so we could add at the deadline. The Hawks needed a top 5 D and a C at the deadline, DIDN T GET A CENTER , lost in the 1st round of the playoffs with about 5Million in cap space left . This is what is unforgivable .
- mrpaulish

Actually, it was like 6.7M in cap space, which compounded meant they could've added around $24M worth of cap hit at the deadline. That's a lot of cake.

I get you want athletes to be a representation of your city, but I just dont understand the whole isolation of Pat Kane. I am sure there were far worse things that happend that weekend not involving Kane. Yet because Kane is a million dollar hockey player, he gets singled out.
- ImThatGuy

My feeling is that if they do want to move Kane it's not because of what happened in Madison or in the cab but a fear that things will get worse with the kid in the future then every one will say he should have been traded when they had the chance.

Getzlaf under performed last year ,has been called lazy and was involved in a bar incident at the Worlds. Jumping out of the pot and into the fire.
- VANTEL

Yeah, I don't get all the love for Getzlaf here. The guy looked Brunette-slow this season and especially at Worlds. He would not fit the Hawks' system at all, IMO. Well, to the extent that there IS a system.

The trade worked very well for both teams. Richie and Carts are not leading the kings to the cup.... More like supporting cast.....but I hope they do win it, with gagne as well. I can't find a single flyers fan that if given the chance today would trade Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, Couturier, Cousins, and Grossman (acquired with a 2nd in that deal) back for Carter and Richards.
- moylander

I agree, the Flyers did very well and if I were a Flyers fan I'd be happy. However, which fan base is happier wasn't my point.

Coin-flip trades can go either way, at any time. Right now, LA is in the finals with the Flyers ex maligned players, so Lombardi must be looked at as the winner right now.

That is the reason why I wouldn't blame any GM for making what he deemed as a "coin-flip" trade.

Hell, I can't bring myself to do it even in fantasy leagues, can't imagine what it's like for these guys when it's for real.

I don't know how moving Kane is going to end up, but I don't see how you come out on top of a deal when moving a young superstar like kane.

To Ottawa:

- Patrick Kane
- 2012 2nd round pick

To Chicago

- Milan Michalek
- 2012 1st round pick
- Robin Lehner
- riceroni

Michalek has done a great job in Ottawa but he's not what this team needs on it's top line.

1) Who are the agents for SJ's Pavelski & Hjarlmarsson?

2) Isn't there only 500,000 difference in their contract?

3) Aren't they both signed for the same amount of contract years?

3) Which NHL team has the fewest developing prospects?

The mistake wasn't adding more at the trade deadline, it was not adding the right pieces in the off season.

What teams got what they needed at the trade deadline?

The trade deadline is almost non exsistent now when it comes to filling major holes. A GM must do his work at the draft and during the off season.
- pri$ey

Yea , You're right about the trade deadline because the only team that went balls deep was Nashville , and the didnt win the cup either.

I have a hard time believing Smith is on the block but if he is then he'd look good in a Hawks jersey...and so would Nash (please not Toronto!).

There has been considerable talk in Ottawa (fans and media) about the Sens moving a goalie. Lehner has done all he can do at the AHL level so the Sens need to do something. I don't think sitting Lehner on the bench behind Anderson is the solution either because Lehner needs to continue his development. It's plausible the Sens are looking to move Lehner but beware because he still has maturing to do that has nothing to do with his play.
- dawgzhouse

The Smith thing caught me by surprise too. Garrioch claims it's the Sens depth at center that makes him the most expendable.

If you're looking for a bargain 3rd line center, he's the guy IMO.

Kruger did a better job than I thought he would last season but he has to put on some muscle/strength to last at 3rd line center in the central division.

I've read that about Lehner. I'd be willing to take the risk. Goalies are enigmatic for the most part anyway.

I just don't see Kane being moved.

All of the reasons why the Hawks might want to trade him (rumored laziness, off ice antics) are the reasons why I feel they won't get ka-ka in return for him.

And if you don't get a fair return for him, what is the point?

The Kane to Columbus scenario seems to me like one where Kane would become pouty like Carter/Nash and feel like he deserves to be on a better team. No matter the friendships he may have in Columbus, I just can't see him being tolerant or accepting of being moved to a toilet bowl team. Another reason why Columbus might not want to do a deal.

Again, I think the focus should be on making deals via FA with the cap money and making trades with the players below the first tier and the prospects to fill the gaps.

1) Who are the agents for SJ's Pavelski & Hjarlmarsson?

2) Isn't there only 500,000 difference in their contract?

3) Aren't they both signed for the same amount of contract years?

3) Which NHL team has the fewest developing prospects?
- wiz1901

Which team bent Stan over to get Niemi by offer sheeting Hammer?

I think that is all you need to know about the likelihood of the Sharks being a trade partner with the Hawks.

I was surprised he didn't have any of his usual trade rumours in there. I thought it was a pretty solid piece.

I have mentioned Lehner before as a target. Makes a lot of sense.
- John Jaeckel

The Sens have cap pace, some young talent plus too many goalies...

I mentioned yesterday they could be a trade partner but probably only if Crawford isn't etched in as number one here.

I think you have to understand the dynamics of the Chicago market and how much the Hawks have invested in marketing their players—especially Kane and Toews—as their brand.

That IS an issue here.

There could also be more to the story.
- John Jaeckel

Is there some kind of contractual issue with Kane and sponsors to be sorted out if he gets traded?

The mistake wasn't adding more at the trade deadline, it was not adding the right pieces in the off season.

What teams got what they needed at the trade deadline?

The trade deadline is almost non exsistent now when it comes to filling major holes. A GM must do his work at the draft and during the off season.
- pri$ey

+1

I hope the Hawks fill most of their needs before the season starts because I believe that there will be about the same amount of activity at the TDL this upcoming season as there was last season which was hardly anything. There are too many teams that will be buyers due to believing they have a shot to make the playoffs vs teams that are selling.

I think JJ's prediction of his 50-50 trade possibility reveals a couple of things.

1. I still think that the organization may be trying to scare Kaner straight. Like--check out where you're going if you keep this sh!t up--kind of thing.

2. I hope that Stan Bowman is intelligent encough to realize that he needs to make some aggressive moves to fill the holes--#2C, Physicality, Goaltending, etc. Maybe this is his way of seeing who might be available from other teams for the right price, and he's not really planning on trading Kane.

Or maybe I'm giving Bowman too much credit for being strategic. Hard to tell.

I hope Kane gets his act together and doesn't waste his talent. He sure did have some beautiful goals this year. My two cents.

I don't know how moving Kane is going to end up, but I don't see how you come out on top of a deal when moving a young superstar like kane.
- Lahey

Start by considering the reality of professional sports - Patrick Kane and everbody else is a piece of meat, a commodity, a disposable diaper - whatever you want to call it. In return for that status, he gets paid big time money to perform.

When the Owner or Manager doesn't want or need the piece of meat anymore, they get rid of him and their sole objective is to get the best pieces of flesh back in return to improve their team.

If #88 brings back assets that turns the Hawks into another champion, nobody will even care where Kane went. The NHL isn't a place for sentamentality.

If #88 brings back assets that turns the Hawks into another champion, nobody will even care where Kane went.
- RickJ

And this is exactly why his issues make moving him a DOA proposition - he won't get a good return now. If he did not have issues, would they even be talking about trading him?

If #88 brings back assets that turns the Hawks into another champion, nobody will even care where Kane went. The NHL isn't a place for sentamentality.
- RickJ

Oh, come on. Sure it is!! If it wasn't, why would we all be on here discussing our teams? It's done out of emotion, man.

Oh, come on. Sure it is!! If it wasn't, why would we all be on here discussing our teams? It's done out of emotion, man.
- fourfeathers

...or pining over guys like Ladd, Buff, Versteeg, Eager, Burish, Madden, Sopel, Fernando Pisani. Oh, wait...

And this is exactly why his issues make moving him a DOA proposition - he won't get a good return now. If he did not have issues, would they even be talking about trading him?
- Return of the Roar

That's what I'm thinking. How often does trading a player that good return a better package? At best i think you hope for Nash and convince Howson to give you his 2013 1st and something else for taking out such a large contract.