Kane threw a HUGE house party here 2 days ago.

Just thought I'd tell everyone who says it was a one time thing.
- CaptainRivet

Who cares, it's his house, he can do what he wants within the confines of his own property. If he wants to party and/or get drunk at home with his friends in the off season, all the power to him. Much better than him doing it publicly.

No different than all the Canadien boys going to the "cottage" or "lake House" and drinking all off-season

The story says the Hawks have asked the family for help in trying to get Patrick help and they have refused.
- furso27

What story?

It's OK, you make some good points, but some also I can't agree with.

1) When before has a major Chicago daily quoted a team source as saying he has a problem and might need rehab. THAT is the cat out ofthe bag, my friend. Upt til now there has always beenthis boys will be boys/he's just a fun-lving kid argument that could be made. Not so much (at all) anymore.

2) You don't think this will affect his marketability— specifically just the Madison photos, especially after the cab thing and Vancouver and . . . ?

3) Agreed. But that will not last if there's more stuff down the line

4) They might not have many smart hockey minds (debatable), but Rocky and McD are smart business guys.
- John Jaeckel

I appreciate the continued dialogue. A few nits and a few responses:

(1) I don't think you can properly call what Jahns presented as a team source saying Kane needed rehab. It was an anonymous source within the Blackhawks' organization. Call it shades of gray, but it is a difference IMO.

(2) I do not think it will affect his marketability. If we start hearing anything out of Chevy or Lemonheads, then I'll revisit that. But the reality, IMO, is that this is still a small story. Kane wasn't arrested, no charges were filed, and the girl that was allegedly choked hasn't come forward or been identified. That in no way forgives any of Kane's indiscretions, it is meant to point out that the sort of thing that would cause a player's marketability to drop hasn't occurred. Kane is still commercially marketable and marketable to the Chicago fan. Indeed, in some ways, you could argue that Kane is more marketable now than he was a few years back (Cubs suck, White Sox are better, but don't have a ton of marketable stars, Rose is hugely marketable, but the rest of the Bulls aren't, Cutler doesn't do commercials and Uhrlacher is old, leaving Toews and Kane to clean up in Chicago).

(3) Also agreed.

(4) I think Chicago has very good hockey minds in Q and senior Bowman. They've certainly suffered a large brain drain in past years. But I also think that the powers that be, namely McD and Stan, have personality quirks that will cause them to suffer from paralysis from over-analysis.

The story says the Hawks have asked the family for help in trying to get Patrick help and they have refused.
- furso27

Which story? Jahns?

Who cares, it's his house, he can do what he wants within the confines of his own property. If he wants to party and/or get drunk at home with his friends in the off season, all the power to him. Much better than him doing it publicly.

No different than all the Canadien boys going to the "cottage" or "lake House" and drinking all off-season
- TheTrob

Except that he should be keeping it very low key right now, don't you think?

Which story? Jahns?
- John Jaeckel

The always reliable Dan Bernstein reported that yesterday afternoon.

I appreciate the continued dialogue. A few nits and a few responses:

(1) I don't think you can properly call what Jahns presented as a team source saying Kane needed rehab. It was an anonymous source within the Blackhawks' organization. Call it shades of gray, but it is a difference IMO.

(2) I do not think it will affect his marketability. If we start hearing anything out of Chevy or Lemonheads, then I'll revisit that. But the reality, IMO, is that this is still a small story. Kane wasn't arrested, no charges were filed, and the girl that was allegedly choked hasn't come forward or been identified. That in no way forgives any of Kane's indiscretions, it is meant to point out that the sort of thing that would cause a player's marketability to drop hasn't occurred. Kane is still commercially marketable and marketable to the Chicago fan. Indeed, in some ways, you could argue that Kane is more marketable now than he was a few years back (Cubs suck, White Sox are better, but don't have a ton of marketable stars, Rose is hugely marketable, but the rest of the Bulls aren't, Cutler doesn't do commercials and Uhrlacher is old, leaving Toews and Kane to clean up in Chicago).

(3) Also agreed.

(4) I think Chicago has very good hockey minds in Q and senior Bowman. They've certainly suffered a large brain drain in past years. But I also think that the powers that be, namely McD and Stan, have personality quirks that will cause them to suffer from paralysis from over-analysis.
- QStache

1) I'm not sure I see a difference.
2) I have been in the advertising business for nearly 30 years. I'm telling you, the advertisers are plenty nervous.
4) You might be right

Which story? Jahns?
- John Jaeckel

I read the Jahn's story but I don't remember seeing that..did you see that anywhere JJ? By the way,donyou think we will have to wait till draft night for the Hawks next move?or do you think they will make one before or after draft night?

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Help for Patrick Kane just Google it....wow what a dik

The always reliable Dan Bernstein reported that yesterday afternoon.
- StLBravesFan

Well, I don't know. Dan's always been very clearly camped on one side of this issue. A claim like that I think might be met with some kind of denial.

I read the Jahn's story but I don't remember seeing that..did you see that anywhere JJ? By the way,donyou think we will have to wait till draft night for the Hawks next move?or do you think they will make one before or after draft night?
- captainserious

Dunno, definitely the odds go up as the draft gets closer

I read the Jahn's story but I don't remember seeing that..did you see that anywhere JJ? By the way,donyou think we will have to wait till draft night for the Hawks next move?or do you think they will make one before or after draft night?
- captainserious

That's becasue he never wrote or implied anything close...

a trade to MTL would not be a good idea for a party animal.

Does he have a nmc or ntc list of teams at all?

CHI should trade him anyway, need some size and power up front.

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1) I'm not sure I see a difference.
2) I have been in the advertising business for nearly 30 years. I'm telling you, the advertisers are plenty nervous.
4) You might be right
- John Jaeckel

JJ,

Isn't the important thing to remember the advertisers will get another Hawks face to promote...If need be Sharp/Stalberg or someone else can shoot a commercial because...

The Hawks are the brand and they won't be tarnished by one player ...

It's not like Kane is Arnold Palmer, his advertising income would be much different if he played in most US cities rather than Chgo.

Time for the Hawks front office to be real. Fans deserve more than high expectations and hopes. http://bit.ly/JAdRXO

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al

JJ,

Isn't the important thing to remember the advertisers will get another Hawks face to promote...If need be Sharp/Stalberg or someone else can shoot a commercial because...

The Hawks are the brand and they won't be tarnished by one player ...

It's not like Kane is Arnold Palmer, his advertising income would be much different if he played in most US cities rather than Chgo.

Time for the Hawks front office to be real. Fans deserve more than high expectations and hopes. http://bit.ly/JAdRXO

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al
- Al

I don't think Kane can be replaced by Sharp/Stalberg, because part of what makes Kane marketable is the pairing with Toews and vice versa. Outside of the Discover Card commercial, you always see Kane and Toews doing commercials together.

Once again the thread is hijacked by Deadspin syndrome. I'm out. Talk to you all after the draft.
- Ogilthorpe2

I'm thinking the same thing.

Not sure what tumblr is but there a discussion on there about the family refusing helpfrom the blackhaws

JJ,

Isn't the important thing to remember the advertisers will get another Hawks face to promote...If need be Sharp/Stalberg or someone else can shoot a commercial because...

The Hawks are the brand and won't be dulled by one player ...

It's not like Kane is Arnold Palmer, his advertising income would be much different if he played in most US cities rather than Chgo.
- Al

Agreed, on every point.

My take:

The Hawk brand is built primariiy on the core players, followed by Hull, Mikita, Savvy, Tony O, then the prospects, and the Indianhead as the common thread—past, present and future.

If the brand were a building, Kane and Toews, Hull and Mikita would be the four corners of the building right now. I mean it's always been about linking those two pairs of players, hasn't it?

It's funny and ironic because Hull was every bit the miscreant, but it was never publicized. Big difference.

Minus Kane, they would need to re-tool it a bit, Keith and/or Seabrook and/or Sharp (especially) would get larger roles. The beat would go on. Sharp, Keith and Seabrook do a lot of ads. Harris Bank, Grant's, etc.

I don't think Kane can be replaced by Sharp/Stalberg, because part of what makes Kane marketable is the pairing with Toews and vice versa. Outside of the Discover Card commercial, you always see Kane and Toews doing commercials together.
- QStache

My point is those are Hawk advertisers....They sponsor the team not Patrick Kane.

I don't think Kane can be replaced by Sharp/Stalberg, because part of what makes Kane marketable is the pairing with Toews and vice versa. Outside of the Discover Card commercial, you always see Kane and Toews doing commercials together.
- QStache

This is true, but it is not that big if a deal.

Ha, that's not really true.

I think clearly I was an early voice that his issues might make it wise to at least shop him or consider dealing him. And then the whole argument erupted.

Hate to say I told you so, but if you haven't read Adam Jahns' piece in the Sun-Times this morning, you should.

He's a big-time talent. I have questioned how much he will ever evolve his game. I also think he is really right now and maybe forever, a completely finesse player. And I will always take the talented physical guy over the talented finesse guy.
- John Jaeckel

Just read it, thanks to you pointing it out... Spot on to what you have been saying in the several months I have been here.

I don't think Kane can be replaced by Sharp/Stalberg, because part of what makes Kane marketable is the pairing with Toews and vice versa. Outside of the Discover Card commercial, you always see Kane and Toews doing commercials together.
- QStache

Maybe offer up Peggy in a deal with Kane?

Agreed, on every point.

My take:

The Hawk brand is built primariiy on the core players, followed by Hull, Mikita, Savvy, Tony O, then the prospects, and the Indianhead as the common thread—past, present and future.

If the brand were a building, Kane and Toews, Hull and Mikita would be the four corners of the building right now. I mean it's always been about linking those two pairs of players, hasn't it?

It's funny and ironic because Hull was every bit the miscreant, but it was never publicized. Big difference.

Minus Kane, they would need to re-tool it a bit, Keith and/or Seabrook and/or Sharp (especially) would get larger roles. The beat would go on. Sharp, Keith and Seabrook do a lot of ads. Harris Bank, Grant's, etc.
- John Jaeckel

I wanted to ask an expert but that's what I thought...

It's funny and ironic because Hull was every bit the miscreant, but it was never publicized. Big difference.

You bring up a point which can't be denied and it wasn' publicized because it was a different time.

The biggest blemishes advertised about Hull came in later years after he finished playing....Kane is not in the same "league" ...so to speak, yet.

Maybe offer up Peggy in a deal with Kane?
- victorymc98

Peggy and Thomas for Kane and the dude who watches the cup

What story?
- captainserious

I mis-spoke. It was actually a report by The Score 670.