You could of said the media would have done the same to Jagr if he faltered 1 bit, but he didnt, and after a month there were no doubters... Jagr in Philly.... and no whistles... Never would have thought he would have fit either.

If Radulov came here, the first time he flattened someone on his way to the net al la Eric Lindros (not compairing them, just giving a mental picture) he would be a hero.
- RooNosHockey

Jagr wasn't the same though. No one expected too much from a 39 year old who hadn't played in the league in a few years. Bryz is expected to be a franchise goalie and Radulov has superstar potential.

I give the guy a ton of credit. His training, locker room presence, and self commitment was terrific.

I'm just not so sure I'd want to sink over 3 mil in a 41 year old with chronic leg issues.
- 77rams

His age doesn't bother me at all as he looked able to keep up when healthy, but the fact that he already had a history of groin issues is the one thing that causes concern for me. If he's back that's nice, but if he isn't, I'm not going to mind.

I don't expect Homer to sit tight. He knows his two best defenseman are history (Timonen and Pronger). He has a tough decision to make with Carle. He has to resign Voracek to a decent cap hit. Now rumors about Jagr you know that money will be around the same. I dont see anyway they can add a legit UFA without trading a forward. So if your going to trade a forward why not do it for an All-Star player like Enstrom or any other available?
- stveshdy

Good points but I still wouldn't do anything too drastic. I do like Enstrom but maybe it would be better to wait until the trade deadline or next offseason to acquire him.

There was a big drop off for home last 3rd of the season, but I do believe he knows better what I expect, how his body will react, how to prepare better, etc. I think he see the same or maybe even better production from him this year. The flyers will also know better how to monitor his health and minutes as the season wears on. Don't forget all the injuries they had this year which added to his expectations to pick up the slack. With hopefully JVR and Schenn healthy in early goings, I see the flyers having a much more balanced attack from the forwards.
- funmaster18

And Jagr didn't have much of an off-season. We went from playing in the KHL, right to the World Championship tourney, almost right to Flyers training camp to prep for NHL hockey. Hopefully he will last longer with a full off-season.

And Jagr didn't have much of an off-season. We went from playing in the KHL, right to the World Championship tourney, almost right to Flyers training camp to prep for NHL hockey. Hopefully he will last longer with a full off-season.
- RooNosHockey

When it comes down to it, I think it's worth the gamble. At the least you get a guy that's great for the younger players.

Not my intention by any means.
- 77rams

I like you. Kill him with kindness. You...you're good, yes, you are...yes, you are!

I'm not against that. We are also assuming that Carle doesnt hit free agency. He may not be with the team if they dont agree to terms. I think by trading for Enstrom he automatically becomes your best defenseman on the roster. If they decide to wait and can land another defenseman I would be fine with that to. I dont need to get Enstrom but if the Flyers are trying to upgrade defense I dont see them going for a 5-6th defenseman with Pronger being done and Timonen possibly starting the year on LTIR also.
- stveshdy

Yes I am assuming Carle resigns... and if he doesnt than a move would almost be a certainty...

I honestly think the team needs to focus more on team defense. Keeping weaker guys with stronger guys.. I wouldnt mid seeing lines completely changed up so that there wasnt a "4th" line.. Briere and JvR cant see time together.. Why not put Talbot on a line with Read and Briere.. If they were to make two depth signings.. say Campbell and Weaver..

Hartnell-G-Czechie
Simmonds-Coots-JvR
Read-Briere-Talbot
Wellwood-Campbell-Schenn/Rinaldo/Sestito


Also, if they were to add Weaver they would be getting a right handed d-man who blocks a ton of shots, and is extremely consistent and sound in his own end. That to me would be improving your defense.

When it comes down to it, I think it's worth the gamble. At the least you get a guy that's great for the younger players.
- funmaster18

Agreed.

or as you guys say here...

X2

Agreed.

or as you guys say here...

X2
- RooNosHockey

I do not understand this 'X2' concept of which you speak.

I do not understand this 'X2' concept of which you speak.
- BulliesPhan87

+1 is the go to

Selannie has been able to maintain his level of play the last 3 years.
- RooNosHockey

we're not talking about him we're talking about jagr. Players generally don't get better and perform at a high level in their 40's. It doesn't mean they weren't great players at one time either. Selanne is a rarity and not to be considered the standard.

Good points but I still wouldn't do anything too drastic. I do like Enstrom but maybe it would be better to wait until the trade deadline or next offseason to acquire him.
- NickTheKid87

Will see what the Flyers do soon enough.

When it comes down to it, I think it's worth the gamble. At the least you get a guy that's great for the younger players.
- funmaster18

But how many of these guys that are great for the younger players do we need? I keep hearing this about a guy when he doesn't quite cut it. Jagr didn't cut it in the post-season and I don't see why we don't forego the probability that he might give you a half dozen more points next year for the chance to elevate other players.

Will see what the Flyers do soon enough.
- stveshdy

I think the only thing that will honestly surprise me is if they dont make a splash somehow.

we're not talking about him we're talking about jagr. Players generally don't get better and perform at a high level in their 40's. It doesn't mean they weren't great players at one time either. Selanne is a rarity and not to be considered the standard.
- JoeRussomanno

So your saying that over the course of 1 year, Jagr went from a great addition, and a solid contributer.... to an Old Man.

What's your agenda?

Will see what the Flyers do soon enough.
- stveshdy

I disagree. I can't be soon enough. I am dying to find out. And when it does happen, I cant wait to theorize, critize and hypothize until the season starts.... muhahahhah.

I do not understand this 'X2' concept of which you speak.
- BulliesPhan87

It's the sequel to the first x-men movie starring hugh jackman and patrick stewart. though I don't see the connection to HB.

So your saying that over the course of 1 year, Jagr went from a great addition, and a solid contributer.... to an Old Man.

What's your agenda?
- RooNosHockey

My agenda is objective decision making when it comes to retaining and adding players to this hockey team. Jagr showed signs of aging in the last third of the season. He brought positives no doubt but I don't know that because he's a good mentor in the room that i don't try to upgrade over what he actually did on the ice. Due to his age I don't foresee him getting better and the fact that I have the opportunity to go in another direction is why I would be prone to utilize said opportunity.

I like you. Kill him with kindness. You...you're good, yes, you are...yes, you are!
- RooNosHockey

But how many of these guys that are great for the younger players do we need? I keep hearing this about a guy when he doesn't quite cut it. Jagr didn't cut it in the post-season and I don't see why we don't forego the probability that he might give you a half dozen more points next year for the chance to elevate other players.
- JoeRussomanno

Who else do they have that has leadership comparable to Jagr?

But how many of these guys that are great for the younger players do we need? I keep hearing this about a guy when he doesn't quite cut it. Jagr didn't cut it in the post-season and I don't see why we don't forego the probability that he might give you a half dozen more points next year for the chance to elevate other players.
- JoeRussomanno

So I mentioned Selanne, Someone else mentioned Guerin and Recchi. And this was just recently. How about Francis and Brindy in Carolina? Thomas? Roloson?

Who else do they have that has leadership comparable to Jagr?
- funmaster18

Briere, Talbot, Timmonen. Sooner or later Giroux should be stepping up into that role and I think it's debatable that Hartnell could/should be.

It's the sequel to the first x-men movie starring hugh jackman and patrick stewart. though I don't see the connection to HB.
- funmaster18

You got me. I admit defeat.

So I mentioned Selanne, Someone else mentioned Guerin and Recchi. And this was just recently. How about Francis and Brindy in Carolina? Thomas? Roloson?
- RooNosHockey

What about them? Did teams opt to go in other directions when they were 40 and impending free agents?

Briere, Talbot, Timmonen. Sooner or later Giroux should be stepping up into that role and I think it's debatable that Hartnell could/should be.
- JoeRussomanno

Briere maybe, timonen will likely be out for a while. Talbot doesn't have half the experience Jagr has. Giroux still needs a guy like Jagr to look up. If Pronger was healthy I'd say it's a different story.