I don't have a list of players in front of me. There are other ways to get good locker room guys other than signing free agents.
- stveshdy

Certainly. But you already have a guy that is well respected and well liked, doesn't cost you any assets, and who you know has chemistry with your best player. The fact that several key players want him back says a lot.

I agree it's not make or break to bring back Jagr, and I have concerns about his injuries. But, I'm also not deadset against it, and it's immaterial to me if he signs today or July 1st. Just because a guy signs before another doesn't mean he's a higher priority, just means it got done first.

Could be the player wanted to get it done ASAP, could be that the teams were closer on numbers than they were with another player...lot of reasons.

Isnt Morrow a UFA? Id kill to have him...
- jak521

He is, but like Doan, he's going to cost more than the $3.3mm Jagr is likely to get.

I never said he wasnt effective. I am stating that its great he is a good locker room guy and leader on/off the ice. I just want the Flyers to look at other options also.

Your making sound like Jagr is the only reason Giroux played well.
- stveshdy

No I am not. Thats why I put a question mark after my comment. Would you rather bring in Knuble at 2mil or Jagr at 3?

Rule #10 of the COC for rumors
- ob18

Noted

I agree. You take that input and store it. However, we all know its a business and the Flyers still have to roster a team that they feel is good enough to win. I'm not saying Jagr doesnt do that, Im just suggesting that they look at other options also.
- stveshdy

Yea I agree.. and I am sure that they are... but at the same time, its not like the guy potted 15 goals an 15 assits, and was quiet. He scored 19 goals and put up 53 points and was a big reason for both Hartnell and G's breakout years..

I dont see how it could be a bad move.. worst thing happens? He gets injured and misses some time, and we move the young guys up. He doesnt play as well this year, move the young guys up. I just dont see it happening.

He is, but like Doan, he's going to cost more than the $3.3mm Jagr is likely to get.
- Jsaquella

Capgeek has him signed for 1 more year with a hit of $4.1mm

Certainly. But you already have a guy that is well respected and well liked, doesn't cost you any assets, and who you know has chemistry with your best player. The fact that several key players want him back says a lot.

I agree it's not make or break to bring back Jagr, and I have concerns about his injuries. But, I'm also not deadset against it, and it's immaterial to me if he signs today or July 1st. Just because a guy signs before another doesn't mean he's a higher priority, just means it got done first.

Could be the player wanted to get it done ASAP, could be that the teams were closer on numbers than they were with another player...lot of reasons.
- Jsaquella

I'm not set in stone that I don't want Jagr back. I think the Flyers have some young talent thats ready to take on bigger roles. I want them to explore other options and sure up the needs before signing a 40 year old winger who has injury problems. Hes a good player and is liked in the locker room but I think the Flyers will succeed with or without Jagr (my opinion of course).

Noted
- BulliesPhan87

Thank you

If you don't mind him and constantly being hurt and he is not a UFA
- ob18

Certainly a risk... but he did play all 82 games last year.. and 76 the year before. This season like a few years back was certainly not very encouraging, but when he is healthy he adds that Mike Richards mentality from a few years ago.

Capgeek has him signed for 1 more year with a hit of $4.1mm
- ob18

Yes, he is signed for another year...stupid internet

No I am not. Thats why I put a question mark after my comment. Would you rather bring in Knuble at 2mil or Jagr at 3?
- Jimmygrazz

Neither. I would rather the organization take a look at the roster and decided who is in line for bigger roles and so forth. Then they can add the pieces they feel is necessary to help the team.

If Jagr is something thats important then I'm sure they will sign him. I'm not totally against Jagr resigning but I'm not 100% behind signing him either.

Yes, he is signed for another year...stupid internet
- Jsaquella

Personally I'll pass

Neither. I would rather the organization take a look at the roster and decided who is in line for bigger roles and so forth. Then they can add the pieces they feel is necessary to help the team.

If Jagr is something thats important then I'm sure they will sign him. I'm not totally against Jagr resigning but I'm not 100% behind signing him either.
- stveshdy

I think we are swaying your decision..

I'm not set in stone that I don't want Jagr back. I think the Flyers have some young talent thats ready to take on bigger roles. I want them to explore other options and sure up the needs before signing a 40 year old winger who has injury problems. Hes a good player and is liked in the locker room but I think the Flyers will succeed with or without Jagr (my opinion of course).
- stveshdy

I think they will succeed with or without him, too.

But what does the timing of the signing have to do with anything? If they have a plan in place to trade JvR or another young forward to help the defense, it's in place already. They have known for months who is available in the UFA class, and probably have a good idea what they want in terms of a contract.

If they sign Jagr tomorrow, it's not going to prevent them from adding defensive help. Nor does it mean that Jagr was a bigger priority to them than getting defense. It just means that they got a deal done with him before doing something else.

If signing Jagr prevents them from adding a piece on defense, they wouldn't be doing it.

Personally I'll pass
- ob18

I'd rather have Jagr right now.

I'd rather have Jagr right now.
- Jsaquella

I think he also lightens up the mood.. sure seemed that way. Always important to have a happy locker room

I think they will succeed with or without him, too.

But what does the timing of the signing have to do with anything? If they have a plan in place to trade JvR or another young forward to help the defense, it's in place already. They have known for months who is available in the UFA class, and probably have a good idea what they want in terms of a contract.

If they sign Jagr tomorrow, it's not going to prevent them from adding defensive help. Nor does it mean that Jagr was a bigger priority to them than getting defense. It just means that they got a deal done with him before doing something else.

If signing Jagr prevents them from adding a piece on defense, they wouldn't be doing it.
- Jsaquella

If he does re-sign we should expect that big move to shortly follow

Neither. I would rather the organization take a look at the roster and decided who is in line for bigger roles and so forth. Then they can add the pieces they feel is necessary to help the team.

If Jagr is something thats important then I'm sure they will sign him. I'm not totally against Jagr resigning but I'm not 100% behind signing him either.
- stveshdy

Do you really think they don't have a good idea right now of who they will target this summer? Do you think that they would sign Jagr if it meant they couldn't pursue their defensive targets?

Holmgren hasn't always managed the cap with great aplomb, but he's not an idiot.

I'd rather have Jagr right now.
- Jsaquella

Agreed

I think we are swaying your decision..

- Jimmygrazz

The age, money and injuries are a serious concern for me.

I think they will succeed with or without him, too.

But what does the timing of the signing have to do with anything? If they have a plan in place to trade JvR or another young forward to help the defense, it's in place already. They have known for months who is available in the UFA class, and probably have a good idea what they want in terms of a contract.

If they sign Jagr tomorrow, it's not going to prevent them from adding defensive help. Nor does it mean that Jagr was a bigger priority to them than getting defense. It just means that they got a deal done with him before doing something else.

If signing Jagr prevents them from adding a piece on defense, they wouldn't be doing it.
- Jsaquella

Resigning Jagr, Voracek, and Carle leaves them pretty short handed in the summer to do anything.

I rather keep JvR than signing Jagr. Why trade JvR? I rather add another defenseman for 3.5-4M that is needed then sign Jagr. Thats just my opinion.

Noted
- BulliesPhan87

Where is it you keep this note?

Do you really think they don't have a good idea right now of who they will target this summer? Do you think that they would sign Jagr if it meant they couldn't pursue their defensive targets?

Holmgren hasn't always managed the cap with great aplomb, but he's not an idiot.
- Jsaquella

No but he has forced himself to have to trade players that he might of liked.

Ex: Versteeg

If he does re-sign we should expect that big move to shortly follow
- ob18

Agreed. Svoboda also said they expected Voracek to get done without incident, so if those two are re-signed, they will likely address other areas via trade, because with the cap hits of Pronger and Walker being a factor, they won't have a ton of room.

Do you really think they don't have a good idea right now of who they will target this summer? Do you think that they would sign Jagr if it meant they couldn't pursue their defensive targets?

Holmgren hasn't always managed the cap with great aplomb, but he's not an idiot.
- Jsaquella

alplomb? Nice!!!