Howard Eskin ‏@howardeskin

2 be clear on what I reported on Sports Final @NBCPhiladelphia sun night. Flyers JVR delaying having surgery torn labrum. Could holdup trade


To continue Flyers like Rick Nash and a "possible" trade really can't happen until JVR is 100 percent. JVR delaying surgery on torn Labrum

From the man himself
- Jsaquella

Nod to the Brad Marsh lady.

On the TV report, he was pushing that angle...the tweets are not a 180 away from what he said on TV, but he definitely downplayed the whole angle of JvR's intentions on twitter.
- Jsaquella

I figured that, which would explain the clarification aspect of the tweets. The implication is still there, at any rate.

Funny how Eskin didn't give a rat's ass about the Flyers until about the time Pronger got hurt, and now he's the one breaking stories.

Well Eskin reporting the Flyers want Nash isn't going to help JVR to decide to get the surgery any earlier.

Seriously tho, why hasn't he gotten the surgery yet?

Well Eskin reporting the Flyers want Nash isn't going to help JVR to decide to get the surgery any earlier.

Seriously tho, why hasn't he gotten the surgery yet?
- hereticpride

There could be a 100 different reasons. I personally have a torn labrum and I play fine 2 nights a week and run 3 miles every night symptom free. I'll wait to see how the whole picture and we get a report from Homer before saying he's "holding the team hostage".

There could be a 100 different reasons. I personally have a torn labrum and I play fine 2 nights a week and run 3 miles every night symptom free. I'll wait to see how the whole picture and we get a report from Homer before saying he's "holding the team hostage".
- jak521

Exactly.

(I wasn't implying that Eskin was breaking a story this time in my last post; meant that he's done it in the past with injuries. My own clarification, I guess.)

Still calling bs on the Nash rumors tho. 7 million on one forward is just about the last thing we need right now. If I'm moving JVR it's for a proven NHL defenseman or a top 10 pick.

Personally if I'm TB, I'm not giving up a 2nd round pick for Bobrovksy, nor would I be looking at him as a possible starter. I'd be looking for a far more experienced and established player.
- MJL

They already have their own young goalie to develop in Dustin Tokarski.

NBC's Howard Eskin strongly hinted that JvR has held off getting hip surgery to avoid being traded to Sea Isle, er, Columbus and that Holmgren is "upset"
- Jsaquella

Well Eskin reporting the Flyers want Nash isn't going to help JVR to decide to get the surgery any earlier.

Seriously tho, why hasn't he gotten the surgery yet?
- hereticpride

Could have been told that R&R was a better route to go by his docs. I doubt he'd willingly (frank) around with his career by delaying a needed surgery.

I don't doubt the report on the face of it-the Flyers feel he needs surgery, and other teams are hesitant to deal for a guy who isn't having a procedure the team announced he needed and Holmgren's probably upset about it.

I do doubt that JvR's holding off to stay put. Why would you want to stay where they obviously seem willing to trade you at the drop of a hat?

I figured that, which would explain the clarification aspect of the tweets. The implication is still there, at any rate.

Funny how Eskin didn't give a rat's ass about the Flyers until about the time Pronger got hurt, and now he's the one breaking stories.
- tangent_man

The problem is, since the Pronger stuff, he's been scarily accurate.

Still calling bs on the Nash rumors tho. 7 million on one forward is just about the last thing we need right now. If I'm moving JVR it's for a proven NHL defenseman or a top 10 pick.
- hereticpride

I don't doubt that they 'like' Nash, as Eskin said, but a 7.8 cap hit til 2018 (NMC through 2015, NTC for the remainder) is a bit much.

I don't doubt that they 'like' Nash, as Eskin said, but a 7.8 cap hit til 2018 (NMC through 2015, NTC for the remainder) is a bit much.
- tangent_man

I think that they see Nash as being capable of winning a Richard trophy playing with G and Jagr.

NBC's Howard Eskin strongly hinted that JvR has held off getting hip surgery to avoid being traded to Sea Isle, er, Columbus and that Holmgren is "upset"
- Jsaquella

Oh boy. This can't be true, can it?

They already have their own young goalie to develop in Dustin Tokarski.
- bradleyc4

Also think the get Harding in UFA to be their starter next year.

Also think the get Harding in UFA to be their starter next year.
- stveshdy

Could be Harding. Could be a guy like Biron.

But if they don't fix their defense, it won't matter.

Could be Harding. Could be a guy like Biron.

But if they don't fix their defense, it won't matter.
- bradleyc4

Their defense was terrible last year. They had some injuries on their blueline all season though. Stevie Y does a nice job and I think he will make upgrades where ever they need it.

I think that they see Nash as being capable of winning a Richard trophy playing with G and Jagr.
- Jsaquella

He'd bring some talent, but at what cost? After the Carter deal, Howson might just shoot for the moon.

I don't see Nash waiving his NMC as an issue, either. I'm sure he'd be willing to go to a contender.

I don't doubt that they 'like' Nash, as Eskin said, but a 7.8 cap hit til 2018 (NMC through 2015, NTC for the remainder) is a bit much.
- tangent_man

When hes traded does the NMC and NTC stay? I though when the Flyers traded Richards and Carter those clauses were removed? I could be wrong. Trading JvR for Nash is a serious move but like you stated their taking on $3+M to make that deal. The Flyers would have to move other players, just dont see it happening imo.

When hes traded does the NMC and NTC stay? I though when the Flyers traded Richards and Carter those clauses were removed? I could be wrong. Trading JvR for Nash is a serious move but like you stated their taking over $3+M to make that deal. The Flyers would have to move other players, just dont see it happening imo.
- stveshdy

I'm fairly certain that once you waive your NTC/NMC, it's gone until reworked into a new contract.

I'm fairly certain that once you waive your NTC/NMC, it's gone until reworked into a new contract.
- bradleyc4

Thats what I thought also just dont want to make that statement before having the facts. You know how the Buzz peeps would be all over ya'.

I'm fairly certain that once you waive your NTC/NMC, it's gone until reworked into a new contract.
- bradleyc4

Yes it is gone. But sometimes as part of the agreement for a player to waive his clause, he asks that the team acquiring him honor the clause as part of his agreement to waive it to be moved.

Also think the get Harding in UFA to be their starter next year.
- stveshdy

Yzerman will probably use the surplus of picks he has acquired to swing a deal for Bernier.

It's clear, Bernier doesn't have a future in LA, Kings would be much more suited having a veteran backup play 12-15 games a year, instead of having an asset waste away on the bench.

Yzerman will probably use the surplus of picks he has acquired to swing a deal for Bernier.

It's clear, Bernier doesn't have a future in LA, Kings would be much more suited having a veteran backup play 12-15 games a year, instead of having an asset waste away on the bench.
- PLindbergh31

Thats another move that T.B. could make.

On Travis Moen
Keep an eye on the Sharks. The Flyers could also get involved if the Flyers were to decide to move Voracek at the draft to move up...a distinct possibility.

This is from Eks main page today. I'm hoping the Flyers don't deal Voracek but it could become a possibility (contract is going to be an issue imo).