Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Silly Season Musings: JVR and Nash

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Silly Season Musings: JVR and Nash
- bmeltzer

Thank you.

Thank you.
- bradleyc4

+1

JVR = Damaged goods.

No thanks from the Leafs.

Nash? Good Lord... is he a defenseman now?

JVR = Damaged goods.

No thanks from the Leafs.
- As_I_See_It

You didn't have anything we wanted anyway.

JVR should get his butt in there and get the procedure done so he can have as much time as possible for recovery and training. I hope it is not him delaying the surgery.

Never a dull moment

JVR should get his butt in there and get the procedure done so he can have as much time as possible for recovery and training. I hope it is not him delaying the surgery.
- fnmjoe13

Camp opens in about 3 months, you would think he would get the surgery right away instead of delaying it.

JVR = Damaged goods.

No thanks from the Leafs.
- As_I_See_It

Looks like you are stuck with Luke Schenn. Perhaps he won't be a healthy scratch as often next year.

Camp opens in about 3 months, you would think he would get the surgery right away instead of delaying it.
- PLindbergh31

It is not necessarily JVR who delayed the procedure. Even if it was, I'm sure there was a legitimate reason.

Looks like you are stuck with Luke Schenn. Perhaps he won't be a healthy scratch as often next year.
- PLindbergh31

I would like Nash but agree 7m is way too much.

You didn't have anything we wanted anyway.
- bradleyc4

That's right, I forgot that Philly's D was in awesome shape with Pronger retiring and Carle going UFA...

I'm guessing that Holmgren would jump at any number of these D:

- Phaneuf
- Schenn
- Gunnarson
- Liles
- Franson
- komisarek
- GARDINER

Prospects:
- Holzer
- Blacker
- Percy

Or maybe the 5th overall would be something Philly might be interested in?

That's right, I forgot that Philly's D was in awesome shape with Pronger retiring and Carle going UFA...

I'm guessing that Holmgren would jump at any number of these D:

- Phaneuf
- Schenn
- Gunnarson
- Liles
- Franson
- komisarek
- GARDINER

Prospects:
- Holzer
- Blacker
- Percy

Or maybe the 5th overall would be something Philly might be interested in?
- As_I_See_It

Carle is likely to be re-signed.

And honestly, I don't think I'd trade JVR straight up for any one of those pieces.

It is not necessarily JVR who delayed the procedure. Even if it was, I'm sure there was a legitimate reason.
- bmeltzer

I don't believe it's being delayed for the reasons Eskin is reporting, that seems far fetched to me, but if surgery is inevitable doesn't it make sense to have it ASAP so the rehab process can begin? The longer surgery is put off (regardless of reason) only delays JVR's return.

Looks like you are stuck with Luke Schenn. Perhaps he won't be a healthy scratch as often next year.
- PLindbergh31

I'd rather be stuck with Schenn than being stuck with Bryzgalov for the next 8 years and with the Leafs needing serious G upgrades!

I would like Nash but agree 7m is way too much.
- Daman

Thing is, they don't need Nash. They need help on the blueline.

While I do not want such a trade to happen. I'm not about to doubt Eskin's Flyer contacts. He was the only one mentioning that Richards and Carter would likely get dealt before it all went down.

This type of trade I don't think is very outlandish, from a hockey or financial standpoint for a few reasons...

1. It gives the Flyers a bona fide winger, a known quantity to pair with Giroux for a very long time. Can't count on Hartnell to duplicate past season, while Nash has put up solid numbers for a long time playing with.....Umberger?

2. It gives the Flyers a ferocious, big, and talented top line in the short term that will rival that line out in Anaheim as the best in the league.

3. Nash's trade value is down. Why? Columbus has very little leverage as there's no chance he's staying. Nash had a poor season along with the team last year. You say JVR's value is down why trade him? You can also say Nash's trade value is down why not trade for him.

4. Nash's cap hit is bad, but it essentially could be an advantage for the trading team. The Flyers can cite his cap hit along with recent production and potentially make a JVR, Bob, and Flyers #1 pick trade work.

I'd rather be stuck with Schenn than being stuck with Bryzgalov for the next 8 years and with the Leafs needing serious G upgrades!
- As_I_See_It

Not sure how Bryzgalov has anything to do with the proposed JVR/Schenn trade that was floating around for months.

Carle is likely to be re-signed.

And honestly, I don't think I'd trade JVR straight up for any one of those pieces.
- bradleyc4

Who said anything about a "straight up trade?"

Besides, I'm not sure I would either given JVR's significant injury woes in only a few years in the league. It's starting to look like he's fragile.

There's usually a fire from Eskin's smoke....

I don't believe it's being delayed for the reasons Eskin is reporting, that seems far fetched to me, but if surgery is inevitable doesn't it make sense to have it ASAP so the rehab process can begin? The longer surgery is put off (regardless of reason) only delays JVR's return.
- PLindbergh31

Agreed

Not sure how Bryzgalov has anything to do with the proposed JVR/Schenn trade that was floating around for months.
- PLindbergh31

C'mon, the Flyers goaltending is always at the root of everything. You should know that by now.

Not sure how Bryzgalov has anything to do with the proposed JVR/Schenn trade that was floating around for months.
- PLindbergh31

Nothing but rumor and speculation, likely on the part of Flyer's fans trying to dump JVR and unite the Schenn bro's.

Answer this. Would you rather have an unachieving Luke Schenn that is playing OR an underachieving JVR who has been on the IR and has had a serious concussion and requires hip surgery in only a few years into his career?

Both players have great upside, but I think the Leafs are content to keep the player that actually plays and continuing his development.

I don't believe it's being delayed for the reasons Eskin is reporting, that seems far fetched to me, but if surgery is inevitable doesn't it make sense to have it ASAP so the rehab process can begin? The longer surgery is put off (regardless of reason) only delays JVR's return.
- PLindbergh31

Eskin is somewhat of a buffoon, no?