If Burke keeps saying he believes that Reimer is still the real deal, then why would he acquire Luongo?

I think how shallow the market is this year is really going to push the trade market over the top... i think this year's draft might produce the most trades in recent history.

Buffalo has already said that all of their 6 picks in the first 3 rounds are in play. They said they have depth at Defense and are looking for a top line center.

Business is open!!
- JVince117

Why does Buffalo need a top-line center anyway - they have Derek Roy? he's experienced at pointing the cookine in the jar!

Are any of these guys really Journalists? Seems that they are more make poop up on a rumor site to get hits guys. They rarely write about facts. They may have day jobs as Journalists. But what they are doing here is not that.
- poisondhearts37

well tom gulliti and andrew gross aren't rumor experts, tg is the devils official beat writer who interviews players/coaches and stuff

ek got a prestigious journalism degree from a top school

Thats just vagabond, he miss reads everything.
- yea-ok-buddy

hey if you want to try to mark me out, at least have the courtesy to quote me correctly lol

As a 2nd line centre, he puts up points and plays a good defensive game. He is a very good 2-way player and is paid accordingly. If we want to compare him to 2nd line centres, we have the following list: (in the order of CapGeek)

Bergeron: Similar player, better than Grabo. Set to sign his next contract (same one as Grabo in next 2 years). Currently demands $5M will likely demand $6.5M+ with next contract.

Malkin: Completely different player than Grabo, makes $ according to skill set. $8.7M, enough said (not comparable)

Sharp: More points oriented than 2-way, but is paiid higher as a result. $5.9M

Giroux: Not comparable, still an RFA

Leino: Was signed to play C, makes $4.5M and far worse player than Grabo. Enough said.

Marleau: Point producer, making $6.9M. Paid more than Grabo, produces more too offesnively.

Kesler: Definitiely a better all around player than Grabo, and is a steal at $5M. However, he is a steal for almost any team around the league. This is the classic underpaid player.

Mike Richards: Makes more than Grabo at $5.75, but largely in part to his 10+ year deal. Not really ocmparable

Naming some others because too lazy to go into detail:

Jokinen, Johansen, Callahan, Lecavalier, Fleishman, Stastny, etc...

These are the players you need to compare him to.

When you look at the list and the players in similar position to him, considering all variables, he is not really overpaid.
- mfreedman

Thats a joke right!? you just compared him to some of the best in the sport..

Thats like me saying... okay.. well...

Leino's pay is based on his playoff capabilities and his play making skills when put on a line with other talented forwards...

Crosby - obviously a better center offensively and better two-way player but injuries have plagued him and he makes 8.7M

Malkin - obviously a better center offensively and a good two way player and makes 8.7M

Thornton - a better center hands down but age is catching up to him and he will be paid less on his next contract but makes 6.9M currently

Lecavalier - was at one time a dominant force in the NHL but his skills have regressed so now his 7.8M cap looks very bad for the future

Whew.. now Leino's 4.5M doesn't seem so bad when compared to the highest paid players in the game today.. I made sure not to actually cross reference him with another player of his caliber for my argument.

So I am either assuming that you are only about 5 months old.. or that you are a new fan to hockey...

I'm pretty sure there was a ton of interest in Roy at the deadline but no body wanted to pay the high cost that Regier demanded...

For f*%Ks sake we got a first rounder for Paul Gaustad.. Roy's name was connected to LA and Dustin Brown.. to Colorado and Paul Stastny, to Montreal, to Nashville, and even to TB and Ryan Malone.Welcome to hockey son.. the point of the game is to put the puck in the opposing team's net more than they put it in yours... you use ice skates.. and carry a big stick.
- JVince117

Which one of those deals did you end up taking?

To win next time?
- Canada Cup

Perhaps, but when was the last repeat? Or even two to three years between? I didn't look it up, but was it the Pens back in the early '90's?

Why does Buffalo need a top-line center anyway - they have Derek Roy? he's experienced at pointing the cookine in the jar!
- BorjeFan4Ever

I hope a bird dive bombs you.

I have derek roy.

i said stop being dense.. i didnt call the person dense
- Dozzer

dense   /dɛns/ Show Spelled[dens] Show IPA
adjective, dens·er, dens·est.
1. having the component parts closely compacted together; crowded or compact: a dense forest; dense population.
2. stupid; slow-witted; dull.
3. intense; extreme: dense ignorance.
4. relatively opaque; transmitting little light, as a photographic negative, optical glass, or color.
5. difficult to understand or follow because of being closely packed with ideas or complexities of style: a dense philosophical essay.

Thats a joke right!? you just compared him to some of the best in the sport..

Thats like me saying... okay.. well...

Leino's pay is based on his playoff capabilities and his play making skills when put on a line with other talented forwards...

Crosby - obviously a better center offensively and better two-way player but injuries have plagued him and he makes 8.7M

Malkin - obviously a better center offensively and a good two way player and makes 8.7M

Thornton - a better center hands down but age is catching up to him and he will be paid less on his next contract but makes 6.9M currently

Lecavalier - was at one time a dominant force in the NHL but his skills have regressed so now his 7.8M cap looks very bad for the future

Whew.. now Leino's 4.5M doesn't seem so bad when compared to the highest paid players in the game today.. I made sure not to actually cross reference him with another player of his caliber for my argument.
- JVince117

I compared him to 2nd line centres... Which he is... How are you not understanding this?

Which one of those deals did you end up taking?
- Canada Cup

where did I say anything about taking a deal??

all i said was that his name was attached to some of those teams and players..

he was also heavily attached to Chicago.. it was WELL noted that Chicago wanted Derek Roy hard.. but just couldn't come up to the asking price of Buffalo.

read a book or something man.

So I am either assuming that you are only about 5 months old.. or that you are a new fan to hockey...

I'm pretty sure there was a ton of interest in Roy at the deadline but no body wanted to pay the high cost that Regier demanded...

For f*%Ks sake we got a first rounder for Paul Gaustad.. Roy's name was connected to LA and Dustin Brown.. to Colorado and Paul Stastny, to Montreal, to Nashville, and even to TB and Ryan Malone.

Welcome to hockey son.. the point of the game is to put the puck in the opposing team's net more than they put it in yours... you use ice skates.. and carry a big stick.
- JVince117

okay - so perhaps (after all your BS and bluster) a little rationale and reason is in order.

Regier over valued and Roy wasn't dealt?
does that tell you that Buffalo thinks he worth more than other teams think he is worth?
Just try and answer the question in a simple yes no fashion, so as not to injure yourself. Or maybe open a window (if you have one) to get some fresh air. Make sure if you do open the window that you don't a) fall out b) get burned by the building burning next to you in Tonawanda or Cheektowaga or wherever..

If rumors about players can be taken into account as "facts" - then I would suggest the reason Statsny or Malone were mentioned probably had more to do with the size of their contracts - and that Roy only has a year left on his - and NOT his apparent value as a player.... which is obviously overated in Buffalo (refer to previous point about Regier if you can remember that far back).

And just because the fan base believes they want Dustin Brown because he's a New York state boy... doesn't mean its going to happen. (Just for reference it didn't).

Who was he rumored to Montreal for? Carey Price, PK Subban? ya - okay - we get it... too much Miller Lite and too many nights spend at the Aud will do that to your head.

Hearing more and more stuff regarding Luongo...no deal yet, but I have heard there are some dissenting opinions on how much the Leafs should give up in the deal. The market just isn't that strong for the Luongo and the Leafs will need Vancouver to take some salary back. Also Toronto is very much in on Nash.

why are you reposting things we already have heard 20x by you???

how about something new regarding the leafs instead of reused stuff to increase hits...?????????

as a leafs fan im tired of reading the same stuff daily...at least make it fun and make up some new stuff...

I compared him to 2nd line centres... Which he is... How are you not understanding this?
- mfreedman

Actual 2nd line centers with comparable traits would be like

Derek Roy, Olli Jokinen, Tuomu Ruutu, Franzen, Dubinsky, Pavelski (Marleau actually plays wing next to Thornton), David Backes, and Brooks Laich.

Who I believe ALL have better stats and make less money than him...

dense   /dɛns/ Show Spelled
- jimmc7722[dens] Show IPA
adjective, dens·er, dens·est.
1. having the component parts closely compacted together; crowded or compact: a dense forest; dense population.
2. stupid; slow-witted; dull.
3. intense; extreme: dense ignorance.
4. relatively opaque; transmitting little light, as a photographic negative, optical glass, or color.
5. difficult to understand or follow because of being closely packed with ideas or complexities of style: a dense philosophical essay.

i am well aware of the meaning of the word

there is a big difference between:

1: stop being dense

2: you are dense

the first implies that you arent actually dense, but for some bewildering reason are acting as such

the second implies that you are just dumb lol

If Burke keeps saying he believes that Reimer is still the real deal, then why would he acquire Luongo?
- WafflesAtACC

Please, tell me the last time he said that? He's given multiple interviews since then it which he said goaltending would be looked at and improved upon. Obviously his stance has changed since he last said that.

where did I say anything about taking a deal??

all i said was that his name was attached to some of those teams and players..

he was also heavily attached to Chicago.. it was WELL noted that Chicago wanted Derek Roy hard.. but just couldn't come up to the asking price of Buffalo.

read a book or something man.
- JVince117

perhaps - just maybe - is it kinda possible - that Buffalo was asking too much - that maybe they overrated what Roy was worth?

nah... couldn't be.

Please, tell me the last time he said that? He's given multiple interviews since then it which he said goaltending would be looked at and improved upon. Obviously his stance has changed since he last said that.
- Conquest

he said it at the year end presser

okay - so perhaps (after all your BS and bluster) a little rationale and reason is in order.

Regier over valued and Roy wasn't dealt?
does that tell you that Buffalo thinks he worth more than other teams think he is worth?
Just try and answer the question in a simple yes no fashion, so as not to injure yourself. Or maybe open a window (if you have one) to get some fresh air. Make sure if you do open the window that you don't a) fall out b) get burned by the building burning next to you in Tonawanda or Cheektowaga or wherever..

If rumors about players can be taken into account as "facts" - then I would suggest the reason Statsny or Malone were mentioned probably had more to do with the size of their contracts - and that Roy only has a year left on his - and NOT his apparent value as a player.... which is obviously overated in Buffalo (refer to previous point about Regier if you can remember that far back).

And just because the fan base believes they want Dustin Brown because he's a New York state boy... doesn't mean its going to happen. (Just for reference it didn't).

Who was he rumored to Montreal for? Carey Price, PK Subban? ya - okay - we get it... too much Miller Lite and too many nights spend at the Aud will do that to your head.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Wonderful rationale and reasoning there... Everyone here could attest to the rumors that Montreal was interested in Roy because we all joked about how they don't need another midget Center... And I actually believe it was Kostitsyn that I remember in the rumor..

Also... everyone here can attest to the fact that there were multiple rumors give about the Kinds being interested in trading Brown for Roy+Stafford.. which the Sabres balked at because they thought that was too much.

Parise

Make sure if you do open the window that you don't a) fall out b) get burned by the building burning next to you in Tonawanda or Cheektowaga or wherever.
- BorjeFan4Ever

And I get a warning? Sounds pretty dense to me.

Actual 2nd line centers with comparable traits would be like

Derek Roy, Olli Jokinen, Tuomu Ruutu, Franzen, Dubinsky, Pavelski (Marleau actually plays wing next to Thornton), David Backes, and Brooks Laich.

Who I believe ALL have better stats and make less money than him...
- JVince117

okay... so you have conveyed your opinion (which is pretty clear)... let's move on.

we'll pay it the atttention it deserves.

And I get a warning? Sounds pretty dense to me.
- Dwight K. Schrute

nah... your from Scranton - those should be obvious to you.

Please, tell me the last time he said that? He's given multiple interviews since then it which he said goaltending would be looked at and improved upon. Obviously his stance has changed since he last said that.
- Conquest

link to the press conference transcript:

http://blogs.canada.com/2...ke-press-conference-live/

note the part where he says:

The goaltending wasn’t good enough this year, I think James Reimer is the real deal, I think we can still plan on him being the number one guy, but we have to look at a guy who gives us more options and performances right from the get-go next year

perhaps - just maybe - is it kinda possible - that Buffalo was asking too much - that maybe they overrated what Roy was worth?

nah... couldn't be.
- BorjeFan4Ever

We all do know that Toronto definitely has a perfect idea of the price for all of their players... I can't imagine how sh!tty Toronto would have been with those extra what 3 1st round draft picks that they traded for Kessel.

nah... couldn't be.