probably, but if he plays with a better team, there's more ice to share as well.
- OrangeBlack27

Agree. He also wouldnt be the main focus. He's going to get his ice time where ever he plays. He may even become a better player playing with more talent. His cap hit is the real issue and to me the Flyers dont have a need for scoring.

I understand that... but I was more or less commenting on the fact that (as Bills blog so wonderfully states) the grass is greener on the other side....

If we had Nash... ppl would be female doging that he was a #1 pick... when in other years Crosby, Ovechkin, etc are #1s...

Would I take Nash... in a heartbeat... in a non-cap world.

Would I take Nash in the cap'd NHL... nope. Not with that monster contract.


Ill take JvR at 4.25 over Nash 12 days a week.
- jak521

Absolutely, especially considering we'd have to trade significant value for Nash.

I understand that... but I was more or less commenting on the fact that (as Bills blog so wonderfully states) the grass is greener on the other side....

If we had Nash... ppl would be female doging that he was a #1 pick... when in other years Crosby, Ovechkin, etc are #1s...

Would I take Nash... in a heartbeat... in a non-cap world.

Would I take Nash in the cap'd NHL... nope. Not with that monster contract.


Ill take JvR at 4.25 over Nash 12 days a week.
- jak521

I never said to trade for Nash. The Flyers have other needs first. Nash is a very good player but his numbers aren't as high because of the talent he plays with. You can only do so much on your own.

Absolutely, especially considering we'd have to trade significant value for Nash.
- BulliesPhan87

**shudders**

Id rather them go even bigger and pull Weber out of Nashville with a crazy offer.

I never said to trade for Nash. The Flyers have other needs first. Nash is a very good player but his numbers aren't as high because of the talent he plays with. You can only do so much on your own.
- stveshdy

I disagree.. i listed 4 guys who have all played in CB and outside CB.. and their numbers are nearly identical.. If you put Giroux in Nashville.. he would do fine... and any other truly elite 1st line forward..

**shudders**

Id rather them go even bigger and pull Weber out of Nashville with a crazy offer.
- jak521

That's my thinking. If we're really looking to put big money on the trade table, go for Weber.

Absolutely, especially considering we'd have to trade significant value for Nash.
- BulliesPhan87

What if the Flyers traded JvR and Bryz (assuming he waives his NMC) for Nash? Would you be willing to make that move? Once again I personally am not looking for the Flyers to trade for Nash. I think the Flyers are good offensively and need help defensively.

That's my thinking. If we're really looking to put big money on the trade table, go for Weber.
- BulliesPhan87

Lets have fun with this... Name the players you wouldnt give up for him..

I got one name.. and possssibly a second (id have to think hard).

Weber is a top 5 player in the game, along with the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, and Stamkos. He's easily my preferred target.
- LordStanley88

True but a long shot.

What if the Flyers traded JvR and Bryz (assuming he waives his NMC) for Nash? Would you be willing to make that move? Once again I personally am not looking for the Flyers to trade for Nash. I think the Flyers are good offensively and need help defensively.
- stveshdy

No way in hell.. That would be worse off than just trading JVR...

I disagree.. i listed 4 guys who have all played in CB and outside CB.. and their numbers are nearly identical.. If you put Giroux in Nashville.. he would do fine... and any other truly elite 1st line forward..
- jak521

Rick Nash commands respect on the ice. You can disagree all you want but if theres a shift and Voracek, Nash, and Umberger are all out there Nash is going to draw far more attention then either. I'm not saying Nash is Crosby or Giroux but I think playing in Columbus can affect a players output. The talent level isnt the same and the environment can wear on a player.

True but a long shot.
- Daman

Idk, I think it all depends on the returning value..

If I was Nashville.. I would want a #1 forward, a solid 2-4 dman, a top d-prospect, and 1st.

Flyers cant offer that... but they have the offensive prospect to get it done if Nashville wants offense.

If they wanted JvR, Coburn, 1st and another prospect.. I would probably do it.

Rick Nash commands respect on the ice. You can disagree all you want but if theres a shift and Voracek, Nash, and Umberger are all out there Nash is going to draw far more attention then either. I'm not saying Nash is Crosby or Giroux but I think playing in Columbus can affect a players output. The talent level isnt the same and the environment can wear on a player.
- stveshdy

Im not doubting that.. I am doubting the fact that he will go from consistently being a 60 point guy.. to a 90 point guy... and unless he is a consistent 90 point guy... I am not paying him 7.8 mil a year. (frank) that.

How do you make that cap hit work?
- coffee junkie

If Jake signes for 3 mil per, Carle for 5 mil per, Bourdon for 1 mil per, let Jagr walk. You have

Nash/Giroux/JVR
Harts/Briere/Jake
Wayne/Coots/Reader
Wellwood/Talbot/Rinaldo

Carle/Kimmo
Mez/Coburn
Grossmann/Bourdon
Lilja

Brz/???

You are left with 3.1 million in space or 2.6 mil if you want Harry Z in for Rinaldo. This money must go for back up. This is under the new proposed cap for this CBA.

This is the in season cap. I'm not exactly sure what counts towards the off season cap so that may be an issue.

Lets have fun with this... Name the players you wouldnt give up for him..

I got one name.. and possssibly a second (id have to think hard).
- jak521

Definitely wouldn't give up Giroux for anybody, and I'd be very, very, very hesitant to trade Couturier. Otherwise, I'm open to discussion.

Im not doubting that.. I am doubting the fact that he will go from consistently being a 60 point guy.. to a 90 point guy... and unless he is a consistent 90 point guy... I am not paying him 7.8 mil a year. (frank) that.
- jak521

I dont know if he will be a 90 point player neither does anyone. All you can do is look at his skill level and evaluate what you think he can do. I'm just saying that I expect him to be better than a 60 point player if he wasnt playing in Columbus (no facts to prove that, just going on instincts and what I see). Once again, I dont think the Flyers need to add Nash.

Definitely wouldn't give up Giroux for anybody, and I'd be very, very, very hesitant to trade Couturier. Otherwise, I'm open to discussion.
- BulliesPhan87

Were on the same page..

If Jake signes for 3 mil per, Carle for 5 mil per, Bourdon for 1 mil per, let Jagr walk. You have

Nash/Giroux/JVR
Harts/Briere/Jake
Wayne/Coots/Reader
Wellwood/Talbot/Rinaldo

Carle/Kimmo
Mez/Coburn
Grossmann/Bourdon
Lilja

Brz/???

You are left with 3.1 million in space or 2.6 mil if you want Harry Z in for Rinaldo. This money must go for back up. This is under the new proposed cap for this CBA.

This is the in season cap. I'm not exactly sure what counts towards the off season cap so that may be an issue.
- JFlyers00

How are you getting Nash in that scenario?

I dont know if he will be a 90 point player neither does anyone. All you can do is look at his skill level and evaluate what you think he can do. I'm just saying that I expect him to be better than a 60 point player if he wasnt playing in Columbus (no facts to prove that, just going on instincts and what I see). Once again, I dont think the Flyers need to add Nash.
- stveshdy

I know that.. and thats exactly why I wouldnt make that move.

If I am getting a guy with that high a cap hit.. i dont care who the (frank) he plays for.. I wanna see at least 80 points a season (consistently) before i bring him on.

I know that.. and thats exactly why I wouldnt make that move.

If I am getting a guy with that high a cap hit.. i dont care who the (frank) he plays for.. I wanna see at least 80 points a season (consistently) before i bring him on.
- jak521

Okay. Lets put it this way. If Nash and his cap hit are an issue then there will be noway he is traded. Other GM's will laugh at his cap hit and prodcution. The only way a team would take him is to reach the cap floor but even then Columbus probably wouldnt get anything great in return (so they keep him). Nash has serious value even at his cap hit or teams wouldnt be calling to acquire him. I dont disagree with what your saying because I want the Flyers to look at defense first. I'm not even sure why Homer would be interested.

How are you getting Nash in that scenario?
- jak521

Schenn, Bob, a first. Pipe dream I know, but I was just saying it thats the price for Nash I feel like you must do it. Someone then asked how that would work.

If Jake signes for 3 mil per, Carle for 5 mil per, Bourdon for 1 mil per, let Jagr walk. You have

Nash/Giroux/JVR
Harts/Briere/Jake
Wayne/Coots/Reader
Wellwood/Talbot/Rinaldo

Carle/Kimmo
Mez/Coburn
Grossmann/Bourdon
Lilja

Brz/???

You are left with 3.1 million in space or 2.6 mil if you want Harry Z in for Rinaldo. This money must go for back up. This is under the new proposed cap for this CBA.

This is the in season cap. I'm not exactly sure what counts towards the off season cap so that may be an issue.
- JFlyers00

Nice work. I'm not sold since I think what we currently have plus a Garrison or Wideman is better then that squad but I give you credit for putting it together. I also don't see Schenn, Bob and our 1st being enough but that's just me.

Okay. Lets put it this way. If Nash and his cap hit are an issue then there will be noway he is traded. Other GM's will laugh at his cap hit and prodcution. The only way a team would take him is to reach the cap floor but even then Columbus probably wouldnt get anything great in return (so they keep him). Nash has serious value even at his cap hit or teams wouldnt be calling to acquire him. I dont disagree with what your saying because I want the Flyers to look at defense first. I'm not even sure why Homer would be interested.
- stveshdy

Its possible the flyers are just trying to drive up the price for Nash. Plus it doesnt hurt to ask. Its almost safe to say that Nash will go to the highest bidder unless the best offer is something absolutel terrible.

Nice work. I'm not sold since I think what we currently have plus a Garrison or Wideman is better then that squad but I give you credit for putting it together. I also don't see Schenn, Bob and our 1st being enough but that's just me.
- coffee junkie

The Flyers can't take on Nash without giving back JvR. They need his salary to help knock off some of that cap hit. So I agree thats not enough or wouldnt work.

No way in hell.. That would be worse off than just trading JVR...
- jak521

Also wouldn't we be basically in the same boat we were a year ago if we did that?