it ain't playing semantics...it is just flat out showing you you're wrong about him.
comes to compete. He is skilled, maybe not 1st over all skilled but he has the skill set to be where he is.
What is more important right now, he is part of the future leadership of the team. He lays it all out the on the ice, not only offensively but with his body. He then is a leader in the locker room and willing to speak up as shown by his quotes in the lockerroom clean up media scrum.the size does not have to come inthe center...it can come off the wings...Hemsky comes to mind to move for size. MPS has the size. Harti does too. think Gags has too many other things in his game, lik ehis compete level. that I would not want to move.
- OilHorse

Wtf are u talking about?!! It does no such thing.
He got worked by francois. I would never fault him for that. Good on him for tryin.
Hes got heart.

He does not have the size or the strength to impose his will Physically. Exactly the opposite actually... On an already small top 6.
This is a fact.
Now u can use his attitude or leadership skills as reasons u like him, and thats fair. but u certainly cant use his stature. That was a silly thing to say.
Maybe u thought if u said i was wrong-with conviction- it might make it so?

Anyway. As i said. Of all our potential top 6 ers, including prv and even harti, id trade gags first.

I guess the difference with me is that I think with a couple of tweaks, feasable , you guys are too. damn shame you can't see it
- ChrisMS

Its called living in reality. U should try it

I know everyone wants 2 first line centers but were not pittsburgh over here so gagner is a perfectly fine 2nd line center. our top six (with yakupov) is going to be one of the best in the league so we should just leave it alone and just draft or sign some ufa d-men, goalies and bottom six. No way in hell we should trade any of our young studs (gagner included d-bags!) were rebuilding and were almost there. sign some d-men for a year or 2 til we find out if our defense prospects pan out and it comes time to resigning the kids then AND only then should we start moving pieces around. sure were in last place all the time but give it some time theres no quick fix

Its called living in reality. U should try it
- hugefemale dog77

you'll have one of the best top 3 in the league, maybe top 4 if yak pans out. real
you could potentially have one of the best top 6 real
if you keep all your top six, you don't have assets to trade for what you need, real
you have great bottom 9 potential in your system after your top 3, real
you need a 1-2 d man, a vet 4-5 d-man, and a #1 or a 1a goalie, real
you have the assets to get those peices- real
it will take sacrificing, hard choices to make it happen- real
or you wait, hope, maybe get another top 5 pick next year... miss out on the playoffs again and rob the league of the chance to watch the team in the playoffs... unfortunatley, probably also real

I know everyone wants 2 first line centers but were not pittsburgh over here so gagner is a perfectly fine 2nd line center. our top six (with yakupov) is going to be one of the best in the league so we should just leave it alone and just draft or sign some ufa d-men, goalies and bottom six. No way in hell we should trade any of our young studs (gagner included d-bags!) were rebuilding and were almost there. sign some d-men for a year or 2 til we find out if our defense prospects pan out and it comes time to resigning the kids then AND only then should we start moving pieces around. sure were in last place all the time but give it some time theres no quick fix
- howamidointhis

I dont hate gags. Love his attitude, compete level etc. And yes hes an adequate 2nd line center.
But this is where i differ;
I think gags being moved for a bigger, tougher 2nd line center, even a less 'talented' one, would create space for our other real stars and generally make us tougher to play against. And thus a better team.

you'll have one of the best top 3 in the league, maybe top 4 if yak pans out. real
you could potentially have one of the best top 6 real
if you keep all your top six, you don't have assets to trade for what you need, real
you have great bottom 9 potential in your system after your top 3, real
you need a 1-2 d man, a vet 4-5 d-man, and a #1 or a 1a goalie, real
you have the assets to get those peices- real
it will take sacrificing, hard choices to make it happen- real
or you wait, hope, maybe get another top 5 pick next year... miss out on the playoffs again and rob the league of the chance to watch the team in the playoffs... unfortunatley, probably also real
- ChrisMS

Prv, 2013 1st, gags, hemsky, 2012 2nd, marincin, klefbom, musil, gernat, to name a few.
Dubnyk hasnt proven he CANT be a true numbet 1 yet. Far from it in fact. He'll get his chance this year. Anybody saying any different is wrong at this point.

We dont have to deal our core we're building around to fill our needs. Especially before theyve truly blossomed.
This is just crazy.

You're sounding less and less knowledgable on 'your team in the west'

I know everyone wants 2 first line centers but were not pittsburgh over here so gagner is a perfectly fine 2nd line center. our top six (with yakupov) is going to be one of the best in the league so we should just leave it alone and just draft or sign some ufa d-men, goalies and bottom six. No way in hell we should trade any of our young studs (gagner included d-bags!) were rebuilding and were almost there. sign some d-men for a year or 2 til we find out if our defense prospects pan out and it comes time to resigning the kids then AND only then should we start moving pieces around. sure were in last place all the time but give it some time theres no quick fix
- howamidointhis

Prv, 2013 1st, gags, hemsky, 2012 2nd, marincin, klefbom, musil, gernat, to name a few.
Dubnyk hasnt proven he CANT be a true numbet 1 yet. Far from it in fact. He'll get his chance this year. Anybody saying any different is wrong at this point.

We dont have to deal our core we're building around to fill our needs. Especially before theyve truly blossomed.
This is just crazy.

You're sounding less and less knowledgable on 'your team in the west'
- hugefemale dog77

I'm not saying you have too... I saying I think you should. Its about maybe winning now or waiting and maybe winning later. I think edm should trade the first for pieces to win sooner rather than later. who knows what could happen down the line... do your players hit rfa around the same time and get poached by offer sheets? you could have 3-4 of the best compensated players in the league in a few... try keeping all them AND getting the extra pieces you need at that point. I guess as someone watching my team from the west from the east, it appears that sometimes you can't see the forest through the trees

No major moves until we find out if our d prospects pan out??
I know we dont need to deal the nuge, ebs, hall, or yaks as they are our true star core. But to stand pat for another few years and do nothing of consequence is unacceptable.

Major strides forward in the standings need to be made THIS YEAR.

Damn... The 2003 first round was something else...

1: PIT - Marc-Andre Fleury
2: CAR - Eric Staal
3: FLA - Nathan Horton
4: CBJ - Nikolai Zherdev
5: BUF - Thomas Vanek
6: SJ - Milan Michalek
7: NSH - Ryan Suter
8: ATL - Braydon Coburn
9: CGY - Dion Phaneuf
10: MTL - Andrei Kostitsyn
11: PHI - Jeff Carter
12: NYR - Hugh Jessiman
13: LA - Dustin Brown
14: CHI - Brent Seabrook
15: NYI - Robert Nilsson
16: SJ - Steve Bernier
17: NJ - Zach Parise
18: WSH - Eric Fehr
19: ANA - Ryan Getzlaf
20: MIN - Brent Burns
21: BOS - Mark Stuart
22: EDM - M.A. Pouliot
23: VAN - Ryan Kesler
24: PHI - Mike Richards
25: FLA - Anthony Stewart
26: LA - Brian Boyle
27: LA - Jeff Tambellini
28: ANA - Corey Perry
29: OTT - Patrick Eaves
30: STL - Shawn Belle

Wow

Wtf are u talking about?!! It does no such thing.
He got worked by francois. I would never fault him for that. Good on him for tryin.
Hes got heart.

He does not have the size or the strength to impose his will Physically. Exactly the opposite actually... On an already small top 6.
This is a fact.
Now u can use his attitude or leadership skills as reasons u like him, and thats fair. but u certainly cant use his stature. That was a silly thing to say.
Maybe u thought if u said i was wrong-with conviction- it might make it so?

Anyway. As i said. Of all our potential top 6 ers, including prv and even harti, id trade gags first.
- hugefemale dog77

I guess as much as you saying that showing you that he is tough is "boring and playing the semantics game" makes you right?

Ya. Thought not.

Make sure you read it. Size does not have to come down the middle. We had size. That size had skill. Too bad he was as tough as a Pancake...or is it Cupcake now..so hard to remember from all the memories of his floating up and down the wing. Gags has the same skill, less size but more guts and determination and leadership.

Harti is Top 6 due to lack of depth. He is a 3rd line winger. MPS can be a Top 6, and I hope he does show it and gets a legitimate shot the 2LW spot. Trade Gags with no other 2C to take his spot and you have set the team back. Sounds ass backwards to me.

I know everyone wants 2 first line centers but were not pittsburgh over here so gagner is a perfectly fine 2nd line center. our top six (with yakupov) is going to be one of the best in the league so we should just leave it alone and just draft or sign some ufa d-men, goalies and bottom six. No way in hell we should trade any of our young studs (gagner included d-bags!) were rebuilding and were almost there. sign some d-men for a year or 2 til we find out if our defense prospects pan out and it comes time to resigning the kids then AND only then should we start moving pieces around. sure were in last place all the time but give it some time theres no quick fix
- howamidointhis

No the female dog says you are wrong, and it is the master of all things hockey. You can never know more of the Edmonton Oilers and what is best unless you are The female dog.

We MUST get rid of Gagner, he is too small and not skilled enough.

Its just so odd to me to hear a fan of the team we're trying to emulate say;
Even though it worked, dont do what we did'
'Go for the quick fix'

No the female dog says you are wrong, and it is the master of all things hockey. You can never know more of the Edmonton Oilers and what is best unless you are The female dog.

We MUST get rid of Gagner, he is too small and not skilled enough.
- OilHorse

Dude, dont make it all so personal.

Relax pumpkin

I dont hate gags. Love his attitude, compete level etc. And yes hes an adequate 2nd line center.
But this is where i differ;
I think gags being moved for a bigger, tougher 2nd line center, even a less 'talented' one, would create space for our other real stars and generally make us tougher to play against. And thus a better team.
- hugefemale dog77

Lets get rid of skill to make us better...y'ok....why don't we just move Horc up there. he is bigger...can fight through bigger guys...

I guess as much as you saying that showing you that he is tough is "boring and playing the semantics game" makes you right?

Ya. Thought not.

Make sure you read it. Size does not have to come down the middle. We had size. That size had skill. Too bad he was as tough as a Pancake...or is it Cupcake now..so hard to remember from all the memories of his floating up and down the wing. Gags has the same skill, less size but more guts and determination and leadership.

Harti is Top 6 due to lack of depth. He is a 3rd line winger. MPS can be a Top 6, and I hope he does show it and gets a legitimate shot the 2LW spot. Trade Gags with no other 2C to take his spot and you have set the team back. Sounds ass backwards to me.
- OilHorse

I said trade him for another one.

You're getting all worked up and flustered bud.

Dude, dont make it all so personal.

Relax pumpkin
- hugefemale dog77

It aint personal to me, you just talk down to every one making claims like fact...

Lets get rid of skill to make us better...y'ok....why don't we just move Horc up there. he is bigger...can fight through bigger guys...
- OilHorse

I dont want horcoff there either.
Thats a bad idea

I said trade him for another one.

You're getting all worked up and flustered bud.
- hugefemale dog77

Nope, not at all...

Tell me who do we trade him for...cause it seems stupid to me to trade someone like Gags unless it is an actual upgrade...not just a size difference, but size AND skill upgrade...

So who?

I dont want horcoff there either.
Thats a bad idea
- hugefemale dog77

But he is bigger...though not as skilled...you did say you wanted that...

It aint personal to me, you just talk down to every one making claims like fact...
- OilHorse

No i dont. Read my posts. I think u take it that way cause i disagree with u.

I always say IMO, or I THINK.
And did in this case.

Only thing i claimed as fact was gags' smaller stature making it difficult for him to impose himself physically..
Which is a fact

Its just so odd to me to hear a fan of the team we're trying to emulate say;
Even though it worked, dont do what we did'
'Go for the quick fix'
- hugefemale dog77

That stopped me in my tracks... is that what I'm doing? Maybe. But the pens didn't have the depth the oilers have they drafted staal. If the pens had equal depth and were ready to challenge for a cup, I would have been fine with them trading that pick for immediate help. obviously it worked out anyway. you already are saturated with wingers, but need center / d/ and maybe a goalie ( I keep saying 1a because I really don't know enough about dubnyk) now you say, the pens drafted a center in staal when the had center depth. true and its a good argument, but centers are harder to find / develop. I still believe the oil would be better packaging the 1st for a true #2 center and a 1-2 d man. maybe mon- gomez and markov... jk
plec, subban for 1st, mps
etc. how about... wait for it!
malkin for 1st, gagner, eberle

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- njhockey27

didn't you hear? Pitt going hard at him now! ek said it, so that means he'll end up retiring and coaching my brothers deck hockey team