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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:07 PM ET
If this rumor is true, unfortunately I doubt a leak would come out from the Flyers ends. Let's face it, this team really knows how to lock down information. On the other end in Columbus, I'm not as sure.
- ravishingone


JvR, Read, (2) 1st rd picks is something I would offer to get Weber (plus more if needed) but not for Rick Nash.

The Flyers would be overpaying bigtime in that scenario.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:08 PM ET
That'd be tampering. But come on, it's a bogus rumor anyway. The guy would take any deal on the table at this point.
- hereticpride


No, it's not tampering. You ask the other GM for permission. If you have the other team's permission, it's not tampering
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:08 PM ET
That'd be tampering. But come on, it's a bogus rumor anyway. The guy would take any deal on the table at this point.
- hereticpride


Nash wants out badly so I don't see why he wouldn't want to come to Philly. Theres nothing worse than playing in Columbus. This rumor has no legs if you ask me.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:08 PM ET
If this rumor is true, unfortunately I doubt a leak would come out from the Flyers ends. Let's face it, this team really knows how to lock down information. On the other end in Columbus, I'm not as sure.
- ravishingone


Regardless, why risk the leak?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:09 PM ET
No, it's not tampering. You ask the other GM for permission. If you have the other team's permission, it's not tampering
- Jsaquella


I would seriously consider going after Kane before Nash. Younger and his cap hit wont be ridiculous in the process either (RFA).
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:10 PM ET
Agreed, but it is less then a week before the draft and a lot of the big market teams have money to spend because of the increase in the cap. I think misinformation is going to be floated out all week, the "silly season" is in full effect.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:11 PM ET
I would seriously consider going after Kane before Nash. Younger and his cap hit wont be ridiculous in the process either (RFA).
- stveshdy


I'd love to go after Evander Kane. He's a beast
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:12 PM ET
Agreed, but it is less then a week before the draft and a lot of the big market teams have money to spend because of the increase in the cap. I think misinformation is going to be floated out all week, the "silly season" is in full effect.
- ravishingone


I have heard/read rumors about the Flyers having interest in Nash before but I still don't understand how adding him is going to make this team better if they have to give up 2-3 players and possible picks.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 17 @ 2:13 PM ET
I hope Nash finds his way to the rangers with one of Kreider or McDonoagh coming back. Unfortunately I think Dubinsky, Stepan, del zotto, Plus a pick would get it done. Win for the rangers
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:13 PM ET
I'd love to go after Evander Kane. He's a beast
- Jsaquella


JvR for Kane. Thats the best offer they can make. Unless the Flyers are holding out to try and atleast see whats going to happen with Weber. I truely believe you need a player like JvR to get a deal done with Nashville.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:15 PM ET
JvR was hurt last year and his minutes the previous years were pretty limited. I'm not opposed to the deal. How much you think Kane is looking to sign for?
- stveshdy



All things being equal, including health, I'd still take Kane over JvR.

I'm sure his agent is offering up JvR's extension as a comparable.

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:16 PM ET
All things being equal, including health, I'd still take Kane over JvR.

I'm sure his agent is offering up JvR's extension as a comparable.

- Tomahawk


Make the move Homer. JvR for Kane. Straight up. Get this Nash trash outta here.

Question is will Winnipeg do it?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:18 PM ET
Make the move Homer. JvR for Kane. Straight up. Get this Nash trash outta here.

Question is will Winnipeg do it?

- stveshdy


I wouldn't if I was Winnipeg.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:20 PM ET
Regardless, why risk the leak?
- Jsaquella


Look at it from Howson's point of view. First, Howson is trying to get the best deal for his club (and for his own career) at this point. Also, I'm starting to wonder if Nash is annoyed enough to have narrowed his list to the point of one maybe two clubs. Howson may think that by still trying to trad him to a big market club not on his list, might entice Nash to go anyway. At this point, if your Howson would you rather take JVR at $4 million + or Dubinsky at $4 million + as part of a deal?

Of course, this is all speculation on my part, but I find this story very interesting. I only move those type of assets for Weber.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:22 PM ET
I wouldn't if I was Winnipeg.
- Jsaquella


Only thing going for the Flyers is Kane wants no part of doing a deal with Winnipeg. I'm sure Winnipeg wants atleast a few players and probably picks.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 17 @ 2:22 PM ET
I wouldn't if I was Winnipeg.
- Jsaquella



Yeah, they'd have to be pretty desperate to go for that. Flyers would have to throw in another asset or two.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:26 PM ET
Look at it from Howson's point of view. First, Howson is trying to get the best deal for his club (and for his own career) at this point. Also, I'm starting to wonder if Nash is annoyed enough to have narrowed his list to the point of one maybe two clubs. Howson may think that by still trying to trad him to a big market club not on his list, might entice Nash to go anyway. At this point, if your Howson would you rather take JVR at $4 million + or Dubinsky at $4 million + as part of a deal?

Of course, this is all speculation on my part, but I find this story very interesting. I only move those type of assets for Weber.

- ravishingone


Look at it from Holmgren's point of view. If I'm negotiating a trade for a player, I want to know before I start spinning my wheels if the guy will agree to report. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste my time & risk having stuff leak.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:27 PM ET
Only thing going for the Flyers is Kane wants no part of doing a deal with Winnipeg. I'm sure Winnipeg wants atleast a few players and probably picks.
- stveshdy


Winnipeg has to use him as a big chip, not a one for one deal
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:28 PM ET
I have heard/read rumors about the Flyers having interest in Nash before but I still don't understand how adding him is going to make this team better if they have to give up 2-3 players and possible picks.
- stveshdy


I personally am not a big Nash fan (a little overhyped and huge cap hit), but IF we sign Jagr and Jake, when all forwards are healthy (maybe, IF all are healthy), then you really have ten Top-9 forwards, 11 if you count Talbot. Read played on the 4th line in the PO after JVR came back.

If the deal were JVR and Read, plus picks and / or non-forward players, take those two and add Nash and you'd probably have a higher "goal certainty". I mean, JVR plus Read could score more goals, but more likely that Nash outscores them.

It still wouldn't be my preferred splash this year, but I could live with it. My bigger worry is that Schenn or Couts would be in the deal, and I think both of those guys could be better than Nash in the long run.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:30 PM ET
Look at it from Holmgren's point of view. If I'm negotiating a trade for a player, I want to know before I start spinning my wheels if the guy will agree to report. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste my time & risk having stuff leak.
- Jsaquella


Since Nash is still property of Columbus, I don't think he can directly speak to Nash or risk tampering charges I believe. I think in this situation he has to go by the credibility of Howson in this situation that the player is willing to move.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:39 PM ET
Since Nash is still property of Columbus, I don't think he can directly speak to Nash or risk tampering charges I believe. I think in this situation he has to go by the credibility of Howson in this situation that the player is willing to move.
- ravishingone


If Columbus grants permission for Holmgren to speak to Nash or his agents, then there is no tampering.

Tampering only applies when a team doesn't have permission to speak to another team's player/agent.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:44 PM ET
If Columbus grants permission for Holmgren to speak to Nash or his agents, then there is no tampering.

Tampering only applies when a team doesn't have permission to speak to another team's player/agent.

- Jsaquella


Well, then I guess if the rumor is true, Homer has 72 hours to convince Nash to move. Stay tuned.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:45 PM ET
I personally am not a big Nash fan (a little overhyped and huge cap hit), but IF we sign Jagr and Jake, when all forwards are healthy (maybe, IF all are healthy), then you really have ten Top-9 forwards, 11 if you count Talbot. Read played on the 4th line in the PO after JVR came back.

If the deal were JVR and Read, plus picks and / or non-forward players, take those two and add Nash and you'd probably have a higher "goal certainty". I mean, JVR plus Read could score more goals, but more likely that Nash outscores them.

It still wouldn't be my preferred splash this year, but I could live with it. My bigger worry is that Schenn or Couts would be in the deal, and I think both of those guys could be better than Nash in the long run.

- TheGreat28

This offseaon will be exciting to say the leadr. Lindback got a huge returnfor the preds. I think there will be a boatload of trades this year. I also think that the cba will be done and there will be no work stoppage. Hopfully I am right
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:46 PM ET
Well, then I guess if the rumor is true, Homer has 72 hours to convince Nash to move. Stay tuned.
- ravishingone


I don't think it's true. I think that they have interest in Nash, but at the same time, I don't see them going through the whole process without first securing Nash's agreement to waive his NMC.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:46 PM ET
Well, then I guess if the rumor is true, Homer has 72 hours to convince Nash to move. Stay tuned.
- ravishingone

Stay tuned more to come lol
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