I don't think this team just needs a tweek. They need a franchise defenseman. Look at the teams that win the cup, they have that elite cornerstone d-man who anchors the team. That man is Shea Weber. If you can get him, you do it.

Neither JvR or Voracek have the potential to have as much of an impact on a team as Shea Weber does for the next decade. It's not even close.
- Flyers2821

That's fine you feel they need to move that much to accomplish it. I"ll still with the tweaks.

I don't think this team just needs a tweek. They need a franchise defenseman. Look at the teams that win the cup, they have that elite cornerstone d-man who anchors the team. That man is Shea Weber. If you can get him, you do it.

Neither JvR or Voracek have the potential to have as much of an impact on a team as Shea Weber does for the next decade. It's not even close.
- Flyers2821

Shea Weber is an absolute monster. Franchise type player who changes the game. Makes players around him better and commands it from others. Still don't think Nashville is ready to trade him yet.

That's fine you feel they need to move that much to accomplish it. I"ll still with the tweaks.
- ob18

Nothing wrong going in that direction either. Just very hard to get a franchise defenseman like Shea Weber, those guys dont come around often.

Shea Weber is an absolute monster. Franchise type player who changes the game. Makes players around him better and commands it from others. Still don't think Nashville is ready to trade him yet.
- stveshdy

If they were don't you think they'd jump at that move knowing you don't have him signed beyond the upcoming season?

If I were Nashville and I even wanted to move him I would refuse to let any team talk extension with him and say you can do that if you send us an offer we like and he then becomes your property.

I don't think this team just needs a tweek. They need a franchise defenseman. Look at the teams that win the cup, they have that elite cornerstone d-man who anchors the team. That man is Shea Weber. If you can get him, you do it.

Neither JvR or Voracek have the potential to have as much of an impact on a team as Shea Weber does for the next decade. It's not even close.
- Flyers2821

Nashville will more then likely never get a player for player that provides the same impact Weber does. They just have to make the best deal that they can for him.

Shea Weber is an absolute monster. Franchise type player who changes the game. Makes players around him better and commands it from others. Still don't think Nashville is ready to trade him yet.
- stveshdy

If I were Nashville, he wouldn't go anywhere.

The whole Suter/Weber thing is interesting though because you would think Suter would be the guy they need to lock up quicker or he will just walk out the door with no compensation because he is an UFA.

Anchoring the defense for the next 4+ years with Weber, Coburn, Grossman would be an absolute thing of beauty.

Nashville will more then likely never get a player for player that provides the same impact Weber does. They just have to make the best deal that they can for him.
- dingo8urbaby

I agree. I was making that comment from the Flyers point of view.

If I were Nashville, he wouldn't go anywhere.

The whole Suter/Weber thing is interesting though because you would think Suter would be the guy they need to lock up quicker or he will just walk out the door with no compensation because he is an UFA.

Anchoring the defense for the next 4+ years with Weber, Coburn, Grossman would be an absolute thing of beauty.
- Flyers2821

If Weber and Suter haven't shown any interest in signing long term, I think this forces Nashville's hand.

Nothing wrong going in that direction either. Just very hard to get a franchise defenseman like Shea Weber, those guys dont come around often.
- stveshdy

It's not that I don't like him and wouldn't want to land him but you don't know #1 if they want to move him & #2 if they do if he'll even sign with you.

That's just to high of a price at some point this franchise will have to learn how to develop these on their own. When Chris Therien is the last D man you can claim we developed that's a problem.

If I were Nashville, he wouldn't go anywhere.

The whole Suter/Weber thing is interesting though because you would think Suter would be the guy they need to lock up quicker or he will just walk out the door with no compensation because he is an UFA.

Anchoring the defense for the next 4+ years with Weber, Coburn, Grossman would be an absolute thing of beauty.
- Flyers2821

Will see what happens...Weber is probably #1 on their list but he has to become available which I believe isnt the case right now.

It's not that I don't like him and wouldn't want to land him but you don't know #1 if they want to move him & #2 if they do if he'll even sign with you.

That's just to high of a price at some point this franchise will have to learn how to develop these on their own. When Chris Therien is the last D man you can claim we developed that's a problem.
- ob18

Agreed. Its a high price to pay. Still dont think Nashville trades him right now.

Will see what happens...Weber is probably #1 on their list but he has to become available which I believe isnt the case right now.
- stveshdy

Agreed.

Weber, Coburn, Grossman, Meszaros, Timonen...

YES PLEASE.

I'm okay with sending both JvR and Voracek to Nashville in the deal Eklund things could go down but only if they push hard for Parise. If you give up players with JvR and Voracek's potential, you've got to replace them. Since Nashville has recently give up their back up, I don't see why they wouldn't have a slight interest in Bob. I don't see why the Preds wouldn't have interest in taking a more seasoned defenseman in a Weber deal if they are to lose both Suter and Weber. I find it a little strange at the overall look of the Eklund deal that is proposed.

If I were Nashville, he wouldn't go anywhere.

The whole Suter/Weber thing is interesting though because you would think Suter would be the guy they need to lock up quicker or he will just walk out the door with no compensation because he is an UFA.

Anchoring the defense for the next 4+ years with Weber, Coburn, Grossman would be an absolute thing of beauty.
- Flyers2821

And there enlies the problem. Weber isn't going to stick around unless they build a winning team around him and so far all they have is Rinne. They blew a couple of picks this year in rentals and Suter might be signing with the enemy(Red Wings) he's not gonna stick around unless they commit to making big, bold moves this season.

Joke about the guy all you want, there was no reason the Preds shouldn't have traded for Carter last year. That would've been huge for their franchise.

Agreed. Its a high price to pay. Still dont think Nashville trades him right now.
- stveshdy

Me neither, but some are intent on him or Nash coming here.

The other thought is if he only signs another 1 year deal with Nashville he is then a UFA would you rather just wait a year to make a run at him giving up nothing or pay an extremely high price now?

Me neither, but some are intent on him or Nash coming here.

The other thought is if he only signs another 1 year deal with Nashville he is then a UFA would you rather just wait a year to make a run at him giving up nothing or pay an extremely high price now?
- ob18

Nashville will trade him before letting him become an UFA. Weber will still have that option in the long run but theres a chance he signs with the team hes traded to.

I still think Nashville tries to sign Weber.

I'm okay with sending both JvR and Voracek to Nashville in the deal Eklund things could go down but only if they push hard for Parise. If you give up players with JvR and Voracek's potential, you've got to replace them. Since Nashville has recently give up their back up, I don't see why they wouldn't have a slight interest in Bob. I don't see why the Preds wouldn't have interest in taking a more seasoned defenseman in a Weber deal if they are to lose both Suter and Weber. I find it a little strange at the overall look of the Eklund deal that is proposed.
- dingo8urbaby

To be honest, I move JvR and Voracek in a deal for Shea Weber even if they can't replace them offensively. Lets be honest, JvR was irrelevant this season and the Flyers still had one of the top offenses in the NHL, which Voracek was not a major part of. They will be just fine without JvR and Voracek and adding Weber on the back end.

Not to mention they could easily sign a player like Wellwoods brother for a reasonable price to add to the offense.

Me neither, but some are intent on him or Nash coming here.

The other thought is if he only signs another 1 year deal with Nashville he is then a UFA would you rather just wait a year to make a run at him giving up nothing or pay an extremely high price now?
- ob18

Signing him to a one year deal would be the biggest mistake the Predators could possibly make.

Nashville will trade him before letting him become an UFA. Weber will still have that option in the long run but theres a chance he signs with the team hes traded to.

I still think Nashville tries to sign Weber.
- stveshdy

Plenty of options for him & Nashville.

Also consider the Flyers have applied to host the NHL draft, how would they look as the host to not have any early picks? This is also why I have my doubts.

Signing him to a one year deal would be the biggest mistake the Predators could possibly make.
- Flyers2821

It could be a bad one yes. But since he's kept his intentions quiet we have no idea what he is thinking.

And there enlies the problem. Weber isn't going to stick around unless they build a winning team around him and so far all they have is Rinne. They blew a couple of picks this year in rentals and Suter might be signing with the enemy(Red Wings) he's not gonna stick around unless they commit to making big, bold moves this season.

Joke about the guy all you want, there was no reason the Preds shouldn't have traded for Carter last year. That would've been huge for their franchise.
- hereticpride

From Nashville's point of view, you want to re-sign Weber much sooner then later and you want him long term so they can finally get some sleep at night. With Weber being a RFA, getting Weber back for at least one more year is automatic, much like Zach Parise's situation last summer. At the same time, If I'm Nashville I would see what teams are willing to give up for Weber starting now. He's only one player. Maybe that one trade for this one player can change everything for the Nashville Predators. It sure worked with LA by picking up Richards and Carter. We should all know better then any after the Richards and Carter deal that nobody is safe.

To be honest, I move JvR and Voracek in a deal for Shea Weber even if they can't replace them offensively. Lets be honest, JvR was irrelevant this season and the Flyers still had one of the top offenses in the NHL, which Voracek was not a major part of. They will be just fine without JvR and Voracek and adding Weber on the back end.

Not to mention they could easily sign a player like Wellwoods brother for a reasonable price to add to the offense.
- Flyers2821

You have to think further ahead. Let's say we did trade those 2 and re-sign Jagr. Jagr is still only a short term answer. A band-aid. By the end of next season, we then lose Jagr.

My biggest fear is JvR getting traded and then becoming John LeClair. I'm sure Montreal really missed him.

There are no easy answers here.

Centers: Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Talbot
Wingers: Hartnell, Briere, Simmonds, Read, Wellwood

Defense: Weber, Coburn, Grossman, Meszaros, Timonen

Goalie: Bryz


I would be very happy with this if they made a trade for Weber. They could easily sign a few FA players on offense to fill roles and be perfectly fine next year.

You have to think further ahead. Let's say we did trade those 2 and re-sign Jagr. Jagr is still only a short term answer. A band-aid. By the end of next season, we then lose Jagr.

My biggest fear is JvR getting traded and then becoming John LeClair. I'm sure Montreal really missed him.

There are no easy answers here.
- dingo8urbaby

If we have Shea Weber on our roster, JvR can become John LeClair all he wants.

The Rangers offered even more in the trade they made with the Nordiques a few hours after the Nords had already agreed to a deal with the Flyers: Doug Weight, Tony Amonte, Alexei Kovalev, John Vanbiesbrouck, three first round draft picks (1993, 1994 & 1995) and $12 million in exchange for the rights to Lindros.
- bmeltzer