His name is Trappy McForecheck... Your right, you dont need an elite #1 to win like Chara, Keith, Seabrook, Lidstrom, Doughty, oh wait nevermind... But yea, if you play a system like the Devils you dont need that number 1 d-man. Do you see Lavi playing that system anytime soon?
- RooNosHockey

Ohh poop Roo Knows hockey dont be pissing him off now! Actually i agree with Roo. If you have a chance to get weber you "gut" your team and do it....i dont see how a cripple and a guy who cant finish scoring attempts is gutting?

Sam Carchidi‏@BroadStBull

#Flyers made qualifying offers to UFAs Voracek ($2.25M ), Bourdon ($709G), Sestito ($605G), Holmstrom ($605G) , Zolnierczyk ($719G).

I want to give JVR one more season in a Flyers uniform.

Sam Carchidi‏@BroadStBull

#Flyers made qualifying offers to UFAs Voracek ($2.25M ), Bourdon ($709G), Sestito ($605G), Holmstrom ($605G) , Zolnierczyk ($719G).
- stveshdy

/goodbye Testwuide
/goodbye Rowe

I want to give JVR one more season in a Flyers uniform.
- KGBflyers10

A NMC on July 1rst. If he is being traded then it will be this week I feel. If not, he is here for the next 5 years.

I could live with a deal like the one you propose.

However I disagree that we are "desperate" for an elite defenseman. There are only 3 or 4 of them in the league. Do the other 28 teams that don't have one just quit or what?

I think we're desperate to play better team defense. We may need to add a player or two to do that, but that's the real need. Selling off the youth to get Weber is not going to singlehandedly improve our team defense.
- BringBack25

When I say "desperate" I mean the Flyers are always looking to add that elite defenseman if available (like Pronger). If Weber becomes available they will be one of the top teams in the mix. They have the choice to stay away but they just cant do it. Its like telling a kid they cant have candy but you can hold it.

You make some very good points. My only issue is that Weber at 27 is a much better player than Pronger at 34. I would definately offer JvR, Cousins, MAB & (2) 1st round picks for Weber (thats the max). I don't know what Nashville is looking to get in a Weber deal but the Flyers are so desperate for an elite defenseman.
- stveshdy

I think its all about balance..

Trading two of our top 6 wingers... and arguably are 2 best puck protection guys (JVR when he is on is scary dominant)... along with 2 1sts and a prospect isnt a wise decision when you are getting one man in return.. and I dont care who that one man is.

It kills the balance.

Hartnell, Simmonds, Talbot and G all had career years.. by a wide margin. Do we expect the same from every single one? No subtract JVR, Czechie, and more than likely Jagr.

Whats the offense look like?

Hartnell-G-Read
Simmonds-Briere-Schenn?
Wellwood-Coots-Talbot
Rinaldo-??-Sestito


What happens if the injury bug bites us on offense and say a top 6 forward goes out long term... Idk.. just dont like the sound of that.

I disagree. You're entitled to your opinion. Mine is that I would not trade two of our young, top-6 forwards in a deal for Weber that also included us giving up two first round picks. I think that's a bad deal, and I think you (and many others) are placing way too much importance/value on the idea of adding Weber as being critical to the team reaching the Cup. If the Pronger trade showed us anything, it is that you can have a Norris caliber d-man on your team and still play some pretty bad defense as a team. Adding Weber is not going to automagically make the Cup appear in Philly next spring.

I understand not everyone agrees. But I'm not going to change my mind.
- BringBack25

But really... they are trading the lower end of the young top 6. By trading JVR and Voracek they are keeping Giroux, Schenn, and Couturier, and they still have Simmonds and Read. Plus you still have Hartnell and Briere you can include in the top 6. So if you ask me... thats 7 players for the top 6.

I think its all about balance..

Trading two of our top 6 wingers... and arguably are 2 best puck protection guys (JVR when he is on is scary dominant)... along with 2 1sts and a prospect isnt a wise decision when you are getting one man in return.. and I dont care who that one man is.

It kills the balance.

Hartnell, Simmonds, Talbot and G all had career years.. by a wide margin. Do we expect the same from every single one? No subtract JVR, Czechie, and more than likely Jagr.

Whats the offense look like?

Hartnell-G-Read
Simmonds-Briere-Schenn?
Wellwood-Coots-Talbot
Rinaldo-??-Sestito


What happens if the injury bug bites us on offense and say a top 6 forward goes out long term... Idk.. just dont like the sound of that.
- jak521

I'm not trading two top six forwards, only one and his name is JvR.

You might want to brush up on your history of that postseason... Pronger was a big part, but the real catalysts were Leino coming out of nowhere to join that big line, Giroux's birth as a superstar, and Leighton stepping in to spark the comeback vs Boston.
- Tomahawk

Pronger was tremendous all playoff long. He was the reason the Habs only wanted to play 20 mins a night in that conference finals. The real spark to the Bruins series was Krecji going down.

I think its all about balance..

Trading two of our top 6 wingers... and arguably are 2 best puck protection guys (JVR when he is on is scary dominant)... along with 2 1sts and a prospect isnt a wise decision when you are getting one man in return.. and I dont care who that one man is.

It kills the balance.

Hartnell, Simmonds, Talbot and G all had career years.. by a wide margin. Do we expect the same from every single one? No subtract JVR, Czechie, and more than likely Jagr.

Whats the offense look like?



Hartnell-G-Read
Simmonds-Briere-Schenn?
Wellwood-Coots-Talbot
Rinaldo-??-Sestito


What happens if the injury bug bites us on offense and say a top 6 forward goes out long term... Idk.. just dont like the sound of that.
- jak521

I wouldnt call JVR and voracek the guts of this team
They need to get two forawards who can play defense in their own zone. That is balancing. They wont score as much....but they also wont be in the bottom 10 GAA.

DO IT HOMER TRADE JVR!

EDIT: Refer to the Devils series. They got exposed bad. Rangers did the same thing to them all year.

I think its all about balance..

Trading two of our top 6 wingers... and arguably are 2 best puck protection guys (JVR when he is on is scary dominant)... along with 2 1sts and a prospect isnt a wise decision when you are getting one man in return.. and I dont care who that one man is.

It kills the balance.

Hartnell, Simmonds, Talbot and G all had career years.. by a wide margin. Do we expect the same from every single one? No subtract JVR, Czechie, and more than likely Jagr.

Whats the offense look like?

Hartnell-G-Read
Simmonds-Briere-Schenn?
Wellwood-Coots-Talbot
Rinaldo-??-Sestito


What happens if the injury bug bites us on offense and say a top 6 forward goes out long term... Idk.. just dont like the sound of that.
- jak521

Exactly. If you're cool with a 3rd line that was basically last year's 4th line, and two goons on the 4th line with an imaginary center, then the rest of the team had better improve 100% in it's own end.

I disagree. You're entitled to your opinion. Mine is that I would not trade two of our young, top-6 forwards in a deal for Weber that also included us giving up two first round picks. I think that's a bad deal, and I think you (and many others) are placing way too much importance/value on the idea of adding Weber as being critical to the team reaching the Cup. If the Pronger trade showed us anything, it is that you can have a Norris caliber d-man on your team and still play some pretty bad defense as a team. Adding Weber is not going to automagically make the Cup appear in Philly next spring.

I understand not everyone agrees. But I'm not going to change my mind.
- BringBack25

Not sure how the Flyers plan on improving team defense if Lava feels that his system needs no tweeking. As long he feels that way, I want an elite level defenseman on the team because Lavas system puts tremendous pressure on our D, and it magically makes Leino's and Read's.

I think its all about balance..

Trading two of our top 6 wingers... and arguably are 2 best puck protection guys (JVR when he is on is scary dominant)... along with 2 1sts and a prospect isnt a wise decision when you are getting one man in return.. and I dont care who that one man is.

It kills the balance.

Hartnell, Simmonds, Talbot and G all had career years.. by a wide margin. Do we expect the same from every single one? No subtract JVR, Czechie, and more than likely Jagr.

Whats the offense look like?

Hartnell-G-Read
Simmonds-Briere-Schenn?
Wellwood-Coots-Talbot
Rinaldo-??-Sestito


What happens if the injury bug bites us on offense and say a top 6 forward goes out long term... Idk.. just dont like the sound of that.
- jak521

If your losing JVR, Voracek, and not resigning Jagr, you also will likely not resign Carle, so you will have extra money to sign some decent 3rd/4th line players. Maybe actually having a checking line.

I wouldnt call JVR and voracek the guts of this team
They need to get two forawards who can play defense in their own zone. That is balancing. They wont score as much....but they also wont be in the bottom 10 GAA.

DO IT HOMER TRADE JVR!

EDIT: Refer to the Devils series. They got exposed bad. Rangers did the same thing to them all year.
- Philly1980

And how does Weber fix that? Does he improve the forwards backchecking? Does he eliminate the other players from making coverage mistakes? Does he play 60 minutes a game now?

Weber would help. No question about it, and I'm OK with moving JvR, Voracek and MAb, plus a 1st to do it, but it's not a steal. That was my entire point, you're trading a ton of assets for Weber and paying him a ton of money against the cap.

Despite all that, he is not a cure all.

If your losing JVR, Voracek, and not resigning Jagr, you also will likely not resign Carle, so you will have extra money to sign some decent 3rd/4th line players. Maybe actually having a checking line.
- RooNosHockey

Thank you! Exactly, how do they expect coots to grow playing on the fourth line?
Couts > JVR and Voracek. That also has to be taken into account.

If your losing JVR, Voracek, and not resigning Jagr, you also will likely not resign Carle, so you will have extra money to sign some decent 3rd/4th line players. Maybe actually having a checking line.
- RooNosHockey

Carle is staying. That's pretty much a lock at this point.

You make some very good points. My only issue is that Weber at 27 is a much better player than Pronger at 34. I would definately offer JvR, Cousins, MAB & (2) 1st round picks for Weber (thats the max). I don't know what Nashville is looking to get in a Weber deal but the Flyers are so desperate for an elite defenseman.
- stveshdy

Edited because of phone glitch see below.

Thank you! How do they expect coots to grow playing on the fourth line?
Couts > JVR and Voracek.
- Philly1980

If Couturier is playing with Wellwood and Talbot, how is that any better than being on the 4th line?

You make some very good points. My only issue is that Weber at 27 is a much better player than Pronger at 34. I would definately offer JvR, Cousins, MAB & (2) 1st round picks for Weber (thats the max). I don't know what Nashville is looking to get in a Weber deal but the Flyers are so desperate for an elite defenseman.
- stveshdy

The problem with getting Weber in. A trade this year is that the flyers do not have a whole lot of options to fill in the gaps. Who takes the place of JVR, Vorachek, Bourdon and two 1st rounders?

The flyers do not have a second rounder this year. Really limited defensive prospects, and not really great fills in at wing on the top two lines.

Granted Bourdon is another concussion from having a very questionable future in hockey but he is still a cog in the machinery.
If Kimmo retires after this years there is another dman to fill in. Sure an UFA could fill in that spot but who knows who will be available.

Besides with all the young guys I don't think they are cup ready for another two or three years.
I would rather get a guy just under elite status. An Eric Johnson or Begosian type. I am not saying those guys are available or attainable.
Keep as many guys together on this team as possible yet make additions by adding the right mix.

If Couturier is playing with Wellwood and Talbot, how is that any better than being on the 4th line?
- Jsaquella

ummmm lemme see more minutes maybe?

Not sure how the Flyers plan on improving team defense if Lava feels that his system needs no tweeking. As long he feels that way, I want an elite level defenseman on the team because Lavas system puts tremendous pressure on our D, and it magically makes Leino's and Read's.
- Just5

What the Flyers really missed last year, Weber can replace.

Prongers hitting... Weber can replace.
Prongers mean streak... Weber can replace. "turn-buckle"
Prongers Leadership... Weber can almost replace.
Prongers Shot... Weber more then replaces... and I think this is key. Not only that RHS, but that super hard shot. Something we dont have from the point. It actually makes me wonder if Weber could teach that shot to Meszaros...

ummmm lemme see mor minutes maybe?
- Philly1980

Still playing with 4th line wingers, who are now your third liners. Not sure how making last year's 4th line into this year's third line is an improvement.

Carle is staying. That's pretty much a lock at this point.
- Jsaquella

If they trade for Weber, they will either not resign Carle, or they would have to trade Meszaros or Coburn.

Still playing with 4th line wingers, who are now your third liners. Not sure how making last year's 4th line into this year's third line is an improvement.
- Jsaquella

Listen they trade voracek and JVR they can get true third line wingers. The nhl is full of them and they are cheap. Put max as center on the fourth line.

ps the 6.5+ Mill that JVR and Voracek are gonna cost is more than enough.