and the bottom of the falls was filled with friggin mattresses.
- Crimsoninja

I think most people tuned in to watch him fall. LOL. i didnt watch it but if i were one of them id be pissed. They should have set the rope and fire and had a couple of tigers chasings him.

I don't disagree but I would hope that Weber could bring the team that calm, confidence that Pronger did. It was just something about Pronger's presence on the ice (and the power play) that was infectious to the whole team.
- moylander

-6...I thought you were talking reg season...My bad
- Jimmygrazz

No worries my memory sucks and im too lazy to look it up.

With the current group, the young guys will develop and enhance their all around games, while not being under the gun.

Take a look at Simmonds. There was no pressure on him to score 28 goals. He started out as a top 9 guy, who could provide grit and maybe get to twenty. You trade JvR and Voracek, he's being counted on to score 25-30.

Can he do it under the gun?

By standing pat, and making minor tweaks, you can continue to allow the young guys to develop into their roles and not have it be a major problem if they don't or simply are not ready to.
- Jsaquella

That guarantee is no different then adding Weber IMO. Either way the flyers will have to adjust. We're playing on If's all over the place. Theres also the chance those players don't get it until their up for contracts. There's no perfect science either way IMO bc unless the coach is willing to adjust I'm expecting to see the same.

That guarantee is no different then adding Weber IMO. Either way the flyers will have to adjust. We're playing on If's all over the place. Theres also the chance those players don't get it until their up for contracts. There's no perfect science either way IMO bc unless the coach is willing to adjust I'm expecting to see the same.
- stveshdy

Yeah Lavy needs to tweek his system. Not to a point where its a trap but not balls to the wall offense either.

I don't disagree but I would hope that Weber could bring the team that calm, confidence that Pronger did. It was just something about Pronger's presence on the ice (and the power play) that was infectious to the whole team.
- moylander

Pronger carried that as a Hart & Norris winner and by being a Champion. That's the one thing that Weber hasn't proved he can replace

They thought that about Pronger, too. The fall-out from that trade hasn't even settled yet -- Etem looks like a potential All-Star, Palmieri not far behind, and we all know how good Sbisa might become. It could look really ugly in hindsight in a couple of years -- to potentially do that again, so soon, would be disastrous.
- Tomahawk

I understand the cost to acquire the player. But adding a player like Weber, isn't disastrous. And really doesn't have the potential to be disastrous.

Pronger carried that as a Hart & Norris winner and by being a Champion. That's the one thing that Weber hasn't proved he can replace
- Jsaquella

Well you can look at it this way. Besides 6 games JVR hasnt proven didly squat. At least weber can dominate. And if Not he can smash people into the boards ala WWF style.

ME WEBER me SMASH.

That guarantee is no different then adding Weber IMO. Either way the flyers will have to adjust. We're playing on If's all over the place. Theres also the chance those players don't get it until their up for contracts. There's no perfect science either way IMO bc unless the coach is willing to adjust I'm expecting to see the same.
- stveshdy

It's different in one really, really important way. You're not relying on one guy to come in and make massive changes. You're relying on several young players with excellent pedigrees to grow together and develop into a championship caliber team.

That approach has worked more often than bringing in a slew of hired guns and trading a ton of assets for one player.

Weber actually fills a need though. Stamkos was more a pipe dream.
- Jsaquella

When I said Weber = Stamkos, I meant it will be the same thing that happened last year. Lots of us talking and homer saying nothing.
Then they go out and get a 2nd tier guy (jagr) instead and ultimately it will make way more sense for the team.

Sorry, no. He's nowhere near the defensive player Chara and Weber are. And he's immature as heck. With any decent officiating he would have had at least two 10 minute misconducts for his stick smashing alone. He has a lot of growing up to do.

Still, Doughty is a very good player, with a high upside. But he's not elite now, and he lacks the size to truly be the sort of defensive, physical force that Weber and Chara are.
- BringBack25

Doughty sure looked like an Elite defenseman in the Cup Finals to me. And you don't have to be a physical force and have size to be an Elite defenseman. Doughty is a stud and a top defenseman in this League. make no mistake about that. And he certainly didn't play like an immature player. And the fact that he is still young, with as good as he is now. Greatness could be on the horizon. He's already headed in that direction.

Well you can look at it this way. Besides 6 games JVR hasnt proven didly squat. At least weber can dominate. And if Not he can smash people into the boards ala WWF style.
- Philly1980

Yet, Weber got no deeper in the playoffs than the Flyers did.

When I said Weber = Stamkos, I meant it will be the same thing that happened last year. Lots of us talking and homer saying nothing.
Then they go out and get a 2nd tier guy (jagr) instead and ultimately it will make way more sense for the team.
- nails

That's what I hope happens.

It's different in one really, really important way. You're not relying on one guy to come in and make massive changes. You're relying on several young players with excellent pedigrees to grow together and develop into a championship caliber team.

That approach has worked more often than bringing in a slew of hired guns and trading a ton of assets for one player.
- Jsaquella

I would question JVR's pedigree.

The trouble is, the defensemen were not the primary trouble in terms of goals against. Adding Weber doesn't automatically make the forwards better defensively.

That's the thing. You can add Weber or Chara or whoever. But if the forwards don't play better two way hockey, you're not winning jackpoop
- Jsaquella

but who's to say the current pack of forwards pick up the pace defensively? maybe it doesn't fix "everything"...but having a top d pairing that makes you harder to score against than the other team for 25 + minutes...that matchup is going to put your players in a better position to win. we all know it takes more than a great scouting grade at each of your positions to win the cup.

Shea Weber is an X factor player, and the second if not THE most dominant player at his position physically. the things he can change in the game equal 2 top 6 skaters and 2 draft picks (most likely high and not legit players in the next 2 seasons).

This team, even minus the 2 forwards they'll have to give up, has the talent to compete for a championship. with a dynamo on the backend like Weber, and cap room to fill in the depth in the top 6....maybe not "all their problems" are fixed, but it puts them in a great position to win the stanely cup.

Yet, Weber got no deeper in the playoffs than the Flyers did.
- Jsaquella

your right. One guy cant win you the cup. Add Giroux, Hartnel, Briere, Timmo,Simmonds,couts,schenn and see what happens.

It's different in one really, really important way. You're not relying on one guy to come in and make massive changes. You're relying on several young players with excellent pedigrees to grow together and develop into a championship caliber team.

That approach has worked more often than bringing in a slew of hired guns and trading a ton of assets for one player.
- Jsaquella

Hard to answer bc I can't remember a franchise defenseman in his prime being traded at 27 years old. The flyers will still be able to add other wingers. Maybe they get more defensive style players at forward. My proposal doesn't have voracek in it do we're losing Jvr, MAB, cousins, 2 1st. Now if they want more I might have to back out unless I planned on trading another d man to free money up, then add another forward.

I would question JVR's pedigree.
- Philly1980

His development has been uneven, but he's also 22, and didn't take as challenging path to the NHL as other players have. Also, bigger young guys tend to take longer to develop into what they will ultimately be.

I don;t see any question about his pedigree.

Hard to answer bc I can't remember a franchise defenseman in his prime being traded at 27 years old. The flyers will still be able to add other wingers. Maybe they get more defensive style players at forward. My proposal doesn't have voracek in it do we're losing Jvr, MAB, cousins, 2 1st. Now if they want more I might have to back out unless I planned on trading another d man to free money up, then add another forward.
- stveshdy

god i want them to win a cup so i dont have to give a care about all this offseason crap for once

That's what I hope happens.
- Jsaquella

Same here.
Jackman signing already takes one of those potentials off the market.
I want a steady presence guy. Nothing flashy, just solid, dependable, and not a health risk

but who's to say the current pack of forwards pick up the pace defensively? maybe it doesn't fix "everything"...but having a top d pairing that makes you harder to score against than the other team for 25 + minutes...that matchup is going to put your players in a better position to win. we all know it takes more than a great scouting grade at each of your positions to win the cup.

Shea Weber is an X factor player, and the second if not THE most dominant player at his position physically. the things he can change in the game equal 2 top 6 skaters and 2 draft picks (most likely high and not legit players in the next 2 seasons).

This team, even minus the 2 forwards they'll have to give up, has the talent to compete for a championship. with a dynamo on the backend like Weber, and cap room to fill in the depth in the top 6....maybe not "all their problems" are fixed, but it puts them in a great position to win the stanely cup.
- eshake

I'm not saying that Weber isn't elite. I am saying that to say that trading JvR, Vorcek and whatever else for him is not exactly highway robbery for the Flyers.

I've also said, numerous times that if it was JvR, Voracek, MAB and a 1st rounder, I'd make the deal.

His development has been uneven, but he's also 22, and didn't take as challenging path to the NHL as other players have. Also, bigger young guys tend to take longer to develop into what they will ultimately be.

I don;t see any question about his pedigree.
- Jsaquella

And if he doesnt? than what. On most night he is invisible. He doesnt like to hit or play physicall. When he does hes dominant, but too many games in between. I dont think he will bring that physicality that is required from him on a night in night out basis.

Hard to answer bc I can't remember a franchise defenseman in his prime being traded at 27 years old. The flyers will still be able to add other wingers. Maybe they get more defensive style players at forward. My proposal doesn't have voracek in it do we're losing Jvr, MAB, cousins, 2 1st. Now if they want more I might have to back out unless I planned on trading another d man to free money up, then add another forward.
- stveshdy

I think that the Preds will demand two top six forwards. I think that removing Voracek is a deal breaker.

god i want them to win a cup so i dont have to give a care about all this offseason crap for once
- Crimsoninja

Winning the cup might make it worse. Then EVERYONE thinks they deserve a hefty raise

god i want them to win a cup so i dont have to give a care about all this offseason crap for once
- Crimsoninja

I hear you. Some people are tired of waiting. Been waiting since 76'. I get the point that Weber wont heal everything but hes going to help more than hurt, IMO.

Anyways, Im going to support whatever decision the Flyers make.