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Rocktane
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 03.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 11:15 AM ET
I hate this silly season lineup you have here. I still see the forward core as being deficient defensively. I don't like the 4th line so much. Kimmo on the top pairing equals him being worn out once the playoffs start. If Weber ends up on the flyers you just know he plays a ton of minutes.
- bird_dog


I think Meszy should get a shot on the top pair with Weber. Timonen would have lower even strength minutes being paired with Lilja or Gus, but still decent PP and PK minutes. Agreed that Kimmo with Weber would wear him out, Weber is a monster for minutes.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:16 AM ET
Giroux and Coots are my only untouchables at this point. I love Schenn and see solid potential in him, but if he's the last piece of the Weber trade puzzle, see ya buddy.
- Rocktane


Agreed, I'm all in favor of having 3 top end centers for at least the next 5 years or so, but to get Weber -yeah I would do it also.

July 1st is going to be very interesting.
Rocktane
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 03.08.2011

Jun 18 @ 11:20 AM ET
I'm guessing here, but if Suter walks, then you'd have to think that would make Weber somewhat more hesitant to re-sign. Other than Rinne, Nashville hasn't shown the ability to lock up their own guys.
- LordStanley88


There is always that side of the coin too. Thats where I was going with the 1-year deal he might want. See how Nashville fares without Suter, get to UFA, decide long-term at that point. Nashville can still add pieces up front, keep Weber on a 1-year, and still have a top 3 goalie in the NHL. They wouldnt be totally lost without Suter.
johnsApred
Nashville Predators
Location: Smashville, TN
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jun 18 @ 11:22 AM ET
I'm guessing here, but if Suter walks, then you'd have to think that would make Weber somewhat more hesitant to re-sign. Other than Rinne, Nashville hasn't shown the ability to lock up their own guys.
- LordStanley88


Definitely wouldn't want to be in Poile's shoes right now. Just another organization-flip of an offseason in Nashville, but I think we have the right people on the job.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jun 18 @ 11:22 AM ET
Wellwood obviously isn't going to become a top scorer in the NHL but he has that desire and determination that most of the players on this team could really feed off of. He's young and can only get better. There really shouldn't be much of a debate between Wellwood and Harry Z.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:22 AM ET
There is always that side of the coin too. Thats where I was going with the 1-year deal he might want. See how Nashville fares without Suter, get to UFA, decide long-term at that point. Nashville can still add pieces up front, keep Weber on a 1-year, and still have a top 3 goalie in the NHL. They wouldnt be totally lost without Suter.
- Rocktane


I would be suprised if Poile leaves himself open to losing both Suter and Weber for basically nothing. It would certainly help ticket sales this year and competitiveness of the team, but letting those two assets walk for nothing in two consecutive years I would think be tough. Either way, Poile is in a really tough spot, especially since Detroit has a ton of cap space and Lidstrom retired.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
Yes please!



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:27 AM ET
Nope. Right now Nashville cannot meet Weber's contract demands.
- LordStanley88


Why can't they?
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:30 AM ET
Why can't they?
- MJL


They cannot afford an 80+ mill contract is all I've been told.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 18 @ 11:32 AM ET
Why can't they?
- MJL



Because they only have 38 million in cap space?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:32 AM ET
They cannot afford an 80+ mill contract is all I've been told.
- LordStanley88


Why does it have to be an 80+ million contract? So your source is not only on the inside of the Flyers Organization, but also has insight into the the inside of Nashville's Organization?
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jun 18 @ 11:34 AM ET
I had the sexiest dream that we traded JVR, schenn, vorachek MAb and a 1rst for weber and Gastaud. Then resigned Jagr and Carle. Signed Parise as a FA.

Hart-G-Parise
simmer-danny-jar
read-cooter-talbot
rinaldo-gastaud-wellwood

weber-kimmo
gross-coby
carle-mezzy

bryz

i know it wouldn't work cap wise. But sweet jesus i like that team.
Pyzik
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Flemington, NJ
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jun 18 @ 11:34 AM ET
Why does it have to be an 80+ million contract? So your source is not only on the inside of the Flyers Organization, but also has insight into the the inside of Nashville's Organization?
- MJL


sounds like a triple agent
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:34 AM ET
Why does it have to be an 80+ million contract? So your source is not only on the inside of the Flyers Organization, but also has insight into the the inside of Nashville's Organization?
- MJL


No, that's what the Flyers organization has heard in regards to why they may be open to dealing Weber.
dmleip
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 03.04.2009

Jun 18 @ 11:35 AM ET
Say the Flyers get Weber.....is there still a need for more toughness up front?
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:35 AM ET
Say the Flyers get Weber.....is there still a need for more toughness up front?
- dmleip


Yes IMO.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
Why can't they?
- MJL


Nashville Predators
Team Value1 $163 M
Team Value calculated November 2011
Follow (0)
At a Glance

Owner: Thomas Cigarran
Price Paid: $174 M
Year Purchased: 2007
Revenue: $82 M
Operating Income: $-7.5 M
Debt/Value: 52%
Player Expenses: $54 M
Gate Receipts6 $30 M
Revenue per Fan: $37
Metro Area Population: 1.6 M

Two big reasons why!
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:36 AM ET
No, that's what the Flyers organization has heard in regards to why they may be open to dealing Weber.
- LordStanley88


You're providing valuable behind-the-scenes insight into these complex negotiations. Thank you.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:37 AM ET
No, that's what the Flyers organization has heard in regards to why they may be open to dealing Weber.
- LordStanley88


So then you don't know that Nashville can't afford an 80M contract?
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:38 AM ET
You're providing valuable behind-the-scenes insight into these complex negotiations. Thank you.
- bradleyc4


Why else would Nashville be looking to move him...

It's not that hard to figure out. Use your brain.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:38 AM ET
Let's not count our chickens before they've hatched.

It's Monday, June the 18th, 2012.

The Flyers do not have Weber.

This is reality.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:39 AM ET
So then you don't know that Nashville can't afford an 80M contract?
- MJL


Obviously I don't know for sure...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:39 AM ET
Why else would Nashville be looking to move him...

It's not that hard to figure out. Use your brain.

- LordStanley88


Because he doesn't want to play there and sign long term if he feels Nashville isn't going to go all out to build a winning team. And he wants to win a Stanley Cup.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:40 AM ET
Because he doesn't want to play there and sign long term if he feels Nashville isn't going to go all out to build a winning team.
- MJL


Correct. It's probably a bit of both, especially if they do end up losing Suter.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 18 @ 11:41 AM ET
Nashville Predators
Team Value1 $163 M
Team Value calculated November 2011
Follow (0)
At a Glance

Owner: Thomas Cigarran
Price Paid: $174 M
Year Purchased: 2007
Revenue: $82 M
Operating Income: $-7.5 M
Debt/Value: 52%
Player Expenses: $54 M
Gate Receipts6 $30 M
Revenue per Fan: $37
Metro Area Population: 1.6 M

Two big reasons why!

- Philly1980


Where'd you get that info and what does it look like for NJ?
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