I was talking about how you don't have to be physical to play well defensively. Hence I made the statement that I alluded to.
- MJL

Where I stated a defensive d-man who brings a physical game is a better player than one who does not.

except that we've lost or about to lose our 2 best dmen and there are no standouts in our lineup or in the pipeline. this is one case where I would prefer a bigger move.
- isaiah520

If the team can't play better defense, adding a big name will have a limited impact. What's a better top 6 on paper:

Carle, Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Grossmann & Gustafsson or

Volchenkov, Salvador, Fayne, Harrold, Zdlicky and Talinder?

I'm fine if they go out and trade for Shea Weber. I'm also cool if they go out and add a solid vet and focus more on playing better two way hockey

Flyers met with prospects and informed them they intend to try and trade up in the draft-----Per Leed




sorry if Leight, was BBQin chicken at Sea Isle..........great week to be at the beach with the fam

Crazy Rumors. Too much going on to tell the difference between truth and false.
- stveshdy

That's the problem with this time of year.

Like I said I'm not Kane and I don't live his everyday life. He may just not like being in Winnipeg.
- stveshdy

I'd almost prefer a guy like Buff to Enstrom.

Literally said it a half hour ago

Of course, the talk may go nowhere, but he's not shunning the Jets.
- Jsaquella

Not yet, plenty of time for more rumors to fly.

I'd almost prefer a guy like Buff to Enstrom.
- flyer_nutter

Problem is Buff isnt going anywhere and rumors say Enstrom can be had.

If the team can't play better defense, adding a big name will have a limited impact. What's a better top 6 on paper:

Carle, Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Grossmann & Gustafsson or

Volchenkov, Salvador, Fayne, Harrold, Zdlicky and Talinder?

I'm fine if they go out and trade for Shea Weber. I'm also cool if they go out and add a solid vet and focus more on playing better two way hockey
- Jsaquella

I really think they need to get the forwards to work on the defensive game more than anything.

A lot of the time its simply guys standing around or being lazy on back-checking. Thats not the system, its on the players. I would be alright with 2-3 of the forwards being swapped out for players with better defensive games.

Where I stated a defensive d-man who brings a physical game is a better player than one who does not.
- flyer_nutter

Not always the case. There have been plenty of very good finesse defensive defenseman who are very good players. Two very good examples of defensive defenseman who aren't really physical defenseman who are very good. Is Willie Mitchell and Rob Scuderi of LA. Both players averaged less then a hit a game. You may personally prefer it and have that opinion. But again, it isn't necessary to be a good defensive defenseman. That's my point.

I really think they need to get the forwards to work on the defensive game more than anything.

A lot of the time its simply guys standing around or being lazy on back-checking. Thats not the system, its on the players. I would be alright with 2-3 of the forwards being swapped out for players with better defensive games.
- flyer_nutter

Couldn't agree more. Far too often goals against were caused by poor backchecking or breakdowns where the forwards were culpable.

That's the problem with this time of year.
- Jsaquella

10 minutes from now I'm expecting the Flyers to trade for Staal.

I really think they need to get the forwards to work on the defensive game more than anything.

A lot of the time its simply guys standing around or being lazy on back-checking. Thats not the system, its on the players. I would be alright with 2-3 of the forwards being swapped out for players with better defensive games.
- flyer_nutter

This Flyers team doesn't have an issue with laziness, as a whole. They make mistakes in coverage, but effort isn't the issue.

10 minutes from now I'm expecting the Flyers to trade for Staal.
- stveshdy

Marc or Jordan?

If the team can't play better defense, adding a big name will have a limited impact. What's a better top 6 on paper:

Carle, Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Grossmann & Gustafsson or

Volchenkov, Salvador, Fayne, Harrold, Zdlicky and Talinder?

I'm fine if they go out and trade for Shea Weber. I'm also cool if they go out and add a solid vet and focus more on playing better two way hockey
- Jsaquella

I wouldn't base judgement about our d based on a "lightning in a bottle" run by a mediocre crew. I like our chances much better with a standout guy and most of the cup teams have followed that script as well. one Karlsson is worth 2-3 of our best guys.

without solid team d, we might not even make it far enuf inthe plyoffs in this division.

Marc or Jordan?
- Jsaquella

At the rate these rumors are flying around I'm going with Eric.

Not always the case. There have been plenty of very good finesse defensive defenseman who are very good players. Two very good examples of defensive defenseman who aren't really physical defenseman who are very good. Is Willie Mitchell and Rob Scuderi of LA. Both players averaged less then a hit a game. You may personally prefer it and have that opinion. But again, it isn't necessary to be a good defensive defenseman. That's my point.
- MJL

Where I stated that a defensive d-man who brings a physical element to his game is a better player than one who does not.

If those two stanley cup winners played more of a physical game they would be better players.

I wouldn't base judgement about our d based on a "lightning in a bottle" run by a mediocre crew. I like our chances much better with a standout guy and most of the cup teams have followed that script as well. one Karlsson is worth 2-3 of out best guys.

without solid team d, we might not even make it far enuf inthe plyoffs in this division.
- isaiah520

I agree. It's possible, but I think you need that stalwart back there. Whether that is an exceptional puck mover such as Doughty, or that physical monster such as Weber or Chara. That goes a long way.

Where I stated that a defensive d-man who brings a physical element to his game is a better player than one who does not.

If those two stanley cup winners played more of a physical game they would be better players.
- flyer_nutter

And if a physical defenseman such as Coburn or Grossmann, could skate, shoot, and pass the puck better. They'd be better players.

I could very well be wrong but I don't see how 2 seasons is a huge leap of faith. If we can't pick up Weber or a player of his status, someone has to fill the hole that Pronger and Timonen leave behind. The season between losing Eric Desjardins and picking up Kimmo Timonen was a last place season. I'd rather have J-Bo then nothing at all.
- Schenn2shine

as i said before, i can see this happening. and yes, i would think garbage (salary) with talent (JvR) goes the other way....

i get what people are saying about Jay Bouwmeester being overpaid and not worth his salary....but again, after this coming season he would replace almost the same exact salary of Kimmo Timonen...then, he either gets resigned (most likely for far less)...or he's no longer a Flyer.

look at his numbers....it's almost crazy how night and day they are from FLA to CAL. if he's putting up FLA numbers, i would think he's not a bad option B if Weber/Suter doesn't work out

I wouldn't base judgement about our d based on a "lightning in a bottle" run by a mediocre crew. I like our chances much better with a standout guy and most of the cup teams have followed that script as well. one Karlsson is worth 2-3 of our best guys.

without solid team d, we might not even make it far enuf inthe plyoffs in this division.
- isaiah520

I do believe in having that guy on D you know you will throw out in the dying seconds of a game.

And if a physical defenseman such as Coburn or Grossmann, could skate, shoot, and pass the puck better. They'd be better players.
- MJL

physicality doesn't always make a you a better dman. swifter skating, crisper passing, and an accurate shot will ALWAYS make you better on the blue line

And if a physical defenseman such as Coburn or Grossmann, could skate, shoot, and pass the puck better. They'd be better players.
- MJL

As would Guss or Carle if they brought a physical game?

As would Guss or Carle if they brought a physical game?
- flyer_nutter

Absolutely. But have you read Bill's recent blog on the grass is greener? There are very few defenseman who bring the total package. And the point remains the same. You don't have to be a physical defenseman to be very good defensively.

What do you think about Derek Morris? Don't know why...just kind of popped into my head and I thought he'd be a pretty good and relatively cheap addition...

physicality doesn't always make a you a better dman. swifter skating, crisper passing, and an accurate shot will ALWAYS make you better on the blue line
- eshake

Agreed.