What you have in Riemer and Scrivens is two potentially alright goalies. Alright goalies have anomolistic years where they perform like Johnathan Quick did this year. Anyone who thinks Quick is going to dominate the NHL for a decade and go to the HOF is an idiot.

What you have in Luongo is a guy with pedigree. There are very few pedigree goalies - Miller, Luongo, Kipprussoff, Lunquist.........these guys are consistant year in and year out. At anyone time, there is maybe 4 or 5 of them in the Leauge and they are probably the rarest of all kinds of players.

Bottom line is that anyone capable of making the NHL can go on a Gigure - Quick - Raycroft - Mason - Thomas - Theodore - Halek - kind of run. but find me a guy who is a star for 5 straight years and I will find you a hall of famer.

Luongo is one of the rarest of NHL players and goalies are good almost to 40. The cap hit is cheap and it will be cheap to get him. Its a done deal.
- Jimmy_T

I am with you Jimmy

this is just plain silly.
- Barx

That's what I thought, I can think of a few examples just this past season where a good coach made a world of difference for the team.

my plan is to stick to the plan and stop bringing in vets

live and die with the kids

i'd rather miss the playoffs with youth then lose in the first couple rounds with vets
- Dozzer

in fairness tho Dozzer....this Luongo thing isnt your typical, "bring in vets" situation. Hes still a top tiered goalie capable of playing solid hockey for anywhere from 3-7 years. And if he was acquired, it would be rather cheap...its a medium to high reward, medium to low risk imo.


(god we really do go over the same things every day )

Jimmy Turner in da' house!

He's right.
.....and everyone wishes you wouldn't.
- Fakepartofme

You're little T-Bone buddy is getting crucified for saying that coaches don't matter.

You still want to back that up? Think it over, U_G Lite.

my plan is to stick to the plan and stop bringing in vets

live and die with the kids

i'd rather miss the playoffs with youth then lose in the first couple rounds with vets
- Dozzer

And that's where we differ.

I've always maintained that the Leafs won't get great until they get good first.

When the team is winning, there is no better place to play.

We need to get into the playoffs, produce an upset in the 1st round, and get this town going ape-poop. Pending UFAs will take notice.

I know you are probably too young to remember this, but the Leafs used to make the playoffs every once in a while. And it was a lot of fun.

...and if they suck, what are the consequences?
we land a potential superstar with the 1st or 2nd pick overall.
start fresh in 2013/2014.
- Barx

we cant keep thnking like that!

Honestly, odds are with how the team did last year and if Reimer stays healthy, we land JUST shy of the playoffs or JUST BARELY make the playoffs and get crushed. Luongo could atleast secure the playoffs and help in the playoffs....(dont give me the "he couldnt do it with Van" crap either, wasnt his fault).

Burke will never be fired. He doesnt even have to make the playoffs next year. He is building a winner slowly and surely. He does not care about saving his job or making the playoffs as an 8th seed (and dont give me that LA crap, they were the best 8th seed in sports history )

The head coach hardly matters. I never understood why fans care so much about the coach, its dumb. Put a bag over his head and you couldnt tell the difference between Carlysle and Eakins.
- Jimmy_T

Jimmy_T:
you have no idea how good Phaneuf and Schenn and Gardner will be with a defensive coach and a real goalie.

Get back to reality.
Reimer is not a number 1.
Scrivens.....jury is still out.
- Fakepartofme

you know this based on what?

Luongo for Komisarek and D'Amigo.

Feel free to pile meaningless crap on either side of the deal to make it balance out - and I don't care which side you pile it on (or both).
- Atomic Wedgie

why do you guys have such hard ons for luongo?

gah.. burke just stated he is willing to go with reimer and scrivens to start the year

there is no way gillis is going to give burke luongo for komi and d'amigo.. no chance in hell.

gillis might give another gm a deal.. but not burke.. no way.. and now that i know burke will move forward with what he has.. sweetness

end of year presser he is talking about upgrading in net, now, he is talking about moving forward as is

this could only mean the guy he wanted is no longer available.. so he is shifting his focus

in fairness tho Dozzer....this Luongo thing isnt your typical, "bring in vets" situation. Hes still a top tiered goalie capable of playing solid hockey for anywhere from 3-7 years. And if he was acquired, it would be rather cheap...its a medium to high reward, medium to low risk imo.


(god we really do go over the same things every day )
- noename09

Still trying to sell Lu huh? It's no longer inevitable, we will not EVER be landing that sad faced Indian.

You really think that?
- wolfos412

I really do. Realistically, anyone capable of being hired by an NHL team is in the top 50 in the whole world at what they do. Now, the only real difference I see is in two things 1) communication and 2 ) System. If the head coach is not a good communicater thats what assistant coaches are for. However, most NHL teams play pretty similar systems, and I think Ron Wilson tried to do something different and failed - mostly becaues of the players he had - If you look at Wilsons career outside of TO he was as much of a defensive coach as Carlysle. Is there a difference between Carlysle and Eakins? I doubt it. '

why do you guys have such hard ons for luongo?

gah.. burke just stated he is willing to go with reimer and scrivens to start the year

there is no way gillis is going to give burke luongo for komi and d'amigo.. no chance in hell.

gillis might give another gm a deal.. but not burke.. no way.. and now that i know burke will move forward with what he has.. sweetness

end of year presser he is talking about upgrading in net, now, he is talking about moving forward as is

this could only mean the guy he wanted is no longer available.. so he is shifting his focus
- Dozzer

mines more like morning wood...no real explanation

And that's where we differ.

I've always maintained that the Leafs won't get great until they get good first.

When the team is winning, there is no better place to play.

We need to get into the playoffs, produce an upset in the 1st round, and get this town going ape-poop. Pending UFAs will take notice.

I know you are probably too young to remember this, but the Leafs used to make the playoffs every once in a while. And it was a lot of fun.
- Atomic Wedgie

man, i am 35 i remember the leafs making the playoffs all the time.. but i dont give a (frank) about the playoffs if it means selling off young assets just to make an appearance at the show

Luongo for Komisarek and D'Amigo.

Feel free to pile meaningless crap on either side of the deal to make it balance out - and I don't care which side you pile it on (or both).
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm with you Snoop. If there's a realistic deal to be made then bring him in there's no goalie in the system that projects to be what Luongo can be for the next 5 years.

If they don't bring in Luongo or make a trade for another legit goalie then may as well wait till Burke gets fired in Apr then new GM start selling off pieces and does another rebuild.

my plan is to stick to the plan and stop bringing in vets

live and die with the kids

i'd rather miss the playoffs with youth then lose in the first couple rounds with vets
- Dozzer

I'd rather see some franking playoff actions in TO before I am 60, so if vets is the quick answer, I am all for it. Sick and tired of waiting for kids to develop!

we cant keep thnking like that!

Honestly, odds are with how the team did last year and if Reimer stays healthy, we land JUST shy of the playoffs or JUST BARELY make the playoffs and get crushed. Luongo could atleast secure the playoffs and help in the playoffs....(dont give me the "he couldnt do it with Van" crap either, wasnt his fault).
- noename09

sure we can.
once lombardi, connolly, komisarek(almost) and armstrong are off the books it's a fresh slate.
if Luongo is the goalie, I'm fine with that. If not, I am fine with that as well.
what I'm saying is that it isn't the end of the universe if we don't have a vezina-type goalie at this stage.

you know this based on what?
- peddy-93

Exactly and I'll say it again: if Tampa's thinking Lindback can be a #1, and of course Pavelec is trying to get paid like one, then why can't Reimer? Guy played great up until he got smoked by Elbows McGee in that Habs game... just look at Miller's stats post-concussion to see what I mean. Why get locked up into a long-term deal with Roberto "not good enough for Vancouver" Luongo? Why take on their baggage?

Getting Luongo saves his job? nope ..that guarantees him nothing
- senstroll

Last time a Leafs GM made a move to save his job, we ended up with 40-goal sniper Jason Blake for 5 years (or less).

my plan is to stick to the plan and stop bringing in vets

live and die with the kids

i'd rather miss the playoffs with youth then lose in the first couple rounds with vets
- Dozzer

OMG this has to take the cake for the funniest thing posted....at least in the past couple of days.
Luongo would be the only vet they have (or possibly will have) brought in....you need vets on your team if you want to win.
You also need experience, in order to gain playoff experience for the youth...you have to be in the playoffs.
It's not complicated.

You're little T-Bone buddy is getting crucified for saying that coaches don't matter.

You still want to back that up? Think it over, U_G Lite.
- gravyface

Dude your idea of a crucification is a little different than mine lol. I explained what i meant and I stand by it.

we cant keep thnking like that!

Honestly, odds are with how the team did last year and if Reimer stays healthy, we land JUST shy of the playoffs or JUST BARELY make the playoffs and get crushed. Luongo could atleast secure the playoffs and help in the playoffs....(dont give me the "he couldnt do it with Van" crap either, wasnt his fault).
- noename09

personally i think we would still get destroyed whether we had a #1 goalie or not.. did you see how the playoffs were played? every single game was a tight fore-checking game and we are horrible at that, based on what i saw last season.. connolly, kessel, macarthur etc cant forecheck and keep the puck deep.. we would get destroyed IMO with or without Luongo

I'd rather see some franking playoff actions in TO before I am 60, so if vets is the quick answer, I am all for it. Sick and tired of waiting for kids to develop!
- hooligoon

no thanks.. thats the recipe followed since the 80s.. it doesnt work

Exactly and I'll say it again: if Tampa's thinking Lindback can be a #1, and of course Pavelec is trying to get paid like one, then why can't Reimer? Guy played great up until he got smoked by Elbows McGee in that Habs game... just look at Miller's stats post-concussion to see what I mean. Why get locked up into a long-term deal with Roberto "not good enough for Vancouver" Luongo? Why take on their baggage?
- gravyface

They also have that Tokarski kid who's turning heads.

Dude your idea of a crucification is a little different than mine lol. I explained what i meant and I stand by it.
- Jimmy_T

It's coming... wait for it... when you least expect it.