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hooligoon
Location: BBB Bring Burke Back
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:04 PM ET
It's not so much respect issue with Phaneuf. It's hard to even give him respect with such a name.
- hooligoon


Nah in all seriousness, he is a pylon who the Leafs pay too much. Players from other teams fly by him on his weak side and he can't play his strong side because he wants to take slap shots all the time. He'd be a much better Dman if he played a shutdown role on his strong side and left the rockets for PP time. That's my 2 cents...Trade the mofo and get some good return for him and sign Shultz and our D situation will look better.

PS: just shoot Komi in the head, no one will take him
Jimmy_T
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:05 PM ET
Certainly, IMO I would rather have had Burke wait out instating a captain on Phaneufs arrival. As far as his captaincy goes, is he fit for the job?
- A_Tree



Honestly, who cares? No other sport even has "Captains". And not even the most plugged in reporter has enough unfiltered access to even know who is a good captain. You don't go in the room, you don't know. Simple as that. I could care less if the Leafs even had a captain. Plus for years I heard that Mats Sundin -hopefull first ballot hall of fame Mats Sundin - was never "as good a captain as Wendel" and I don't see too many people clamering for Wendal's inclusion in the hall of fame.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:05 PM ET



Jets would be crazy to lose this kid.
Jimmy_T
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
Nah in all seriousness, he is a pylon who the Leafs pay too much. Players from other teams fly by him on his weak side and he can't play his strong side because he wants to take slap shots all the time. He'd be a much better Dman if he played a shutdown role on his strong side and left the rockets for PP time. That's my 2 cents...Trade the mofo and get some good return for him and sign Shultz and our D situation will look better.

PS: just shoot Komi in the head, no one will take him

- hooligoon



I apologize, I am not trying to start poop, but that is just a completely brutal scouting report. Very, very innaccurate. Plus, there actually might be a lot of interest in Komi and he is also very underrated by Leafs fans, though he does take a lot of dumb penalties.
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:07 PM ET
Honestly, who cares? No other sport even has "Captains". And not even the most plugged in reporter has enough unfiltered access to even know who is a good captain. You don't go in the room, you don't know. Simple as that. I could care less if the Leafs even had a captain. Plus for years I heard that Mats Sundin -hopefull first ballot hall of fame Mats Sundin - was never "as good a captain as Wendel" and I don't see too many people clamering for Wendal's inclusion in the hall of fame.
- Jimmy_T

The_Vark
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:07 PM ET



Jets would be crazy to lose this kid.

- A_Tree

this music is racist
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:07 PM ET



Jets would be crazy to lose this kid.

- A_Tree

Well, they'll save a couple thousand each year considering they wont have to pick up his bar tabs and restaurant bills....
Jimmy_T
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:09 PM ET



It's so hard to take you seriously.

- Unholy_Forward



Why because I don't just parrot the same things Leaf "fans" constantly say? Because I go against the vocal majority (who I may add, just a little research would show you that the vocal majority of Leaf fans strenously disagree with "expert" opinions).

Also, I don't know his credibility (though I plan to google his ass) the author of the blog agreed with me. So happy face yourself dude.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:09 PM ET
Honestly, who cares? No other sport even has "Captains".
- Jimmy_T


Soccer, basketball, lacrosse... to name a few

And not even the most plugged in reporter has enough unfiltered access to even know who is a good captain.


You don't need to be "plugged-in" to see that that he's uncomfortable with the C.

Plus for years I heard that Mats Sundin -hopefull first ballot hall of fame Mats Sundin - was never "as good a captain as Wendel" and I don't see too many people clamering for Wendal's inclusion in the hall of fame.


That's debatable.

hooligoon
Location: BBB Bring Burke Back
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:11 PM ET
I apologize, I am not trying to start poop, but that is just a completely brutal scouting report. Very, very innaccurate. Plus, there actually might be a lot of interest in Komi and he is also very underrated by Leafs fans, though he does take a lot of dumb penalties.
- Jimmy_T


I could see the Leafs stuck with Komi and he may thrive under Carlyle's system and so is Schenn, but Phaneuf? He has certain things going for him, I still beleived he is ill used and forced into a big role he cannot handle. First thing to fix the guy, take away the captaincy weight of his shoulder, it's a distraction more than anuthing for him.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:12 PM ET
There actually might be a lot of interest in Komi and he is also very underrated by Leafs fans, though he does take a lot of dumb penalties.
- Jimmy_T



No. Not even a little.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:12 PM ET
Honestly, who cares? No other sport even has "Captains". And not even the most plugged in reporter has enough unfiltered access to even know who is a good captain. You don't go in the room, you don't know. Simple as that. I could care less if the Leafs even had a captain. Plus for years I heard that Mats Sundin -hopefull first ballot hall of fame Mats Sundin - was never "as good a captain as Wendel" and I don't see too many people clamering for Wendal's inclusion in the hall of fame.
- Jimmy_T


i gotta say.. the way dustin brown stepped up and lead his team in the playoffs this year kinda disproves your whole theory

also, only the captain and the alternates are allowed to speak to the officials.. so there is that as well
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
I could see the Leafs stuck with Komi and he may thrive under Carlyle's system and so is Schenn, but Phaneuf? He has certain things going for him, I still beleived he is ill used and forced into a big role he cannot handle. First thing to fix the guy, take away the captaincy weight of his shoulder, it's a distraction more than anuthing for him.
- hooligoon

So, you think Schenn can work well in Carlyles system, but not Phaneuf?

Phaneuf is faster then Schenn, and pretty much an all around better Dman.

As for taking the "C" away.

The C is a letter on a jersey, nothing more, take it away, it won't do much , because he'll still be the captain on the team, and he won't change....

It's how captains are.
FlareKnight
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 20 @ 4:13 PM ET
I'm all for taking Grigorenko at 5. Think the treatment the guy has gotten lately has been utterly insane. Gets ripped for the playoffs even though he was almost a point per game guy and had mono. Comes to NA during his draft year learning a new language and everything and gets called a flight risk with work ethic concerns. You think someone looking for the easy route would have just stayed in Russia. Or someone without heart would not play hurt/sick.

Think he's just one of those guys who for bizarre reasons gets dropped in many people's minds and ends up being an insane steal for the team that ends up getting him. Really do hope Burke picks this guy up if he's there. Certainly risks involved with this pick, but he's never going to fix this center situation playing it safe. 4 years after Sundin no one has managed to fix the problem. Time to try and take a step forward in doing that even if it's not an immediate solution.
Jimmy_T
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:14 PM ET
Soccer, basketball, lacrosse... to name a few



You don't need to be "plugged-in" to see that that he's uncomfortable with the C.



That's debatable.

- A_Tree



- Other sports have captains, you are right. But I have never heard them debated the way hockey captains are. And they also dont wear a big C on their jerseys.

- I see Dion is somewhat uncomfertable speaking to the Media. I would be too. I am a pretty great captain of my house (Im the Dad).

- Its not debatale.

Finally, I think the Leafs should draft C. CiCi just cause I think C-C-C is the best name ever.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:14 PM ET
Well, they'll save a couple thousand each year considering they wont have to pick up his bar tabs and restaurant bills....
- jbold


Hey! He's supporting the Winnipeg economy!
Brian Huddle
Location: Cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.10.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:14 PM ET
I preface this comment by saying I don't mean it to be sarcastic or rude. With the internet being what it is, people might think this is just trolling or something, but:

How do you know? This is the first of your blogs I have read, and I am extremley interested to know what your qualifications are for these predicitions. I have never seen any of these kids play, and though I read as much as I can, I really have no legitimate reason for picking one over the other. From what Ive read, it doesnt seem like the Leafs can go wrong at five with one of the three Russians, the top rated D, Forseberg or Dumba. But prospects always get so hyped, after I watched Bob M's show the other night, I thought they should try to get 4 first round picks. So, I dunno and im just interested in your qualifications for picking Dumba cause if you are for real, he sounds like a pick I could get behind.

- Jimmy_T


What qualifies me? Nothing. I have an opinion, that's about it. I watch around 70+ live OHL games a year, working a part time job as a scout for a Draft Guide, as well as 40+ WHL games, 30+ QMJHL, 20+ NCAA, 20+USHL and multiple European games via streams/video.

Again, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, and have been. Scouting is one of the only jobs where you can be wrong more than 50% and still have a job.

Certainly, IMO I would rather have had Burke wait out instating a captain on Phaneufs arrival. As far as his captaincy goes, is he fit for the job?
- A_Tree


I thingy so, but that's just my opinion. Dion is my favorite current NHL'er.

from everything i read ( i spend to much of my life reading about hockey) Huddle seems like the real deal when it comes to knowing about prospects especially ones from the ohl


just IMO

- The_Vark


Well thank you, lol.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:15 PM ET
I apologize, I am not trying to start poop, but that is just a completely brutal scouting report. Very, very innaccurate. Plus, there actually might be a lot of interest in Komi and he is also very underrated by Leafs fans, though he does take a lot of dumb penalties.
- Jimmy_T


komisarek

chases players in his own end

poor puck handling skills

low offensive ceiling

skates poorly

susceptible to brain farts

good in the room

.......

none of these things are inaccurate.. however.. i am kind of banking on the idea that carlyle and his system which is far more geared towards positional defense will benefit komi, cause lets face it.. he isnt going anywhere unless we take something just a bad back
Jimmy_T
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:16 PM ET
i gotta say.. the way dustin brown stepped up and lead his team in the playoffs this year kinda disproves your whole theory

also, only the captain and the alternates are allowed to speak to the officials.. so there is that as well

- Dozzer



I don;t think that proves or disproves anything. Drew Doughty stepped up, so did Quick. Niether of them happens to be the captain, but what of it? I don't see the connection. Maybe i'm missing something, I don't wanna get banned again, but I disagree with you strenuously.
Domaju
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Timmins, ON
Joined: 06.26.2008

Jun 20 @ 4:16 PM ET
i gotta say.. the way dustin brown stepped up and lead his team in the playoffs this year kinda disproves your whole theory

also, only the captain and the alternates are allowed to speak to the officials.. so there is that as well

- Dozzer


that's one of the biggest things. It helps to prevent the whole line from bombarding the refs after the whistle. It's easier to explain it to 1 or 2 players instead of 5.
Domaju
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Timmins, ON
Joined: 06.26.2008

Jun 20 @ 4:18 PM ET
What qualifies me? Nothing. I have an opinion, that's about it. I watch around 70+ live OHL games a year, working a part time job as a scout for a Draft Guide, as well as 40+ WHL games, 30+ QMJHL, 20+ NCAA, 20+USHL and multiple European games via streams/video.

Again, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, and have been. Scouting is one of the only jobs where you can be wrong more than 50% and still have a job.



I thingy so, but that's just my opinion. Dion is my favorite current NHL'er.



Well thank you, lol.

- Brian Huddle



That and weather men lol
hooligoon
Location: BBB Bring Burke Back
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:20 PM ET
So, you think Schenn can work well in Carlyles system, but not Phaneuf?

Phaneuf is faster then Schenn, and pretty much an all around better Dman.

As for taking the "C" away.

The C is a letter on a jersey, nothing more, take it away, it won't do much , because he'll still be the captain on the team, and he won't change....

It's how captains are.

- jbold


Captaincy also means taking interviews when you'd rather not deal with the media after a major fiasco. Captaincy means a lot of extracurricular activities he could better without. Captaincy also means, you are daily compared with your piers around the league and take heat for the slightest faults, etc..

Also I wasn't really comparing Schenn to Dion 1 for 1, hence saying Phaneuf has certain things going for him. All I was saying he is ill used. You may be right and I'd be happy to see if he thrive under Carlyle but it just seems he set in his ways and golden days as a rookie are long gone.
IGNITE
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 02.24.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:20 PM ET
Alright guys from source: Brian Burke has a list of 4

1. Forsberg
2. Reinhart
3. Rielly
4. Faksa

He really likes this Forsberg kid, as it's been said compared to a Corey Perry type player, who wouldn't like him?
hooligoon
Location: BBB Bring Burke Back
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:22 PM ET
I'm all for taking Grigorenko at 5. Think the treatment the guy has gotten lately has been utterly insane. Gets ripped for the playoffs even though he was almost a point per game guy and had mono. Comes to NA during his draft year learning a new language and everything and gets called a flight risk with work ethic concerns. You think someone looking for the easy route would have just stayed in Russia. Or someone without heart would not play hurt/sick.

Think he's just one of those guys who for bizarre reasons gets dropped in many people's minds and ends up being an insane steal for the team that ends up getting him. Really do hope Burke picks this guy up if he's there. Certainly risks involved with this pick, but he's never going to fix this center situation playing it safe. 4 years after Sundin no one has managed to fix the problem. Time to try and take a step forward in doing that even if it's not an immediate solution.

- FlareKnight

Jimmy_T
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:22 PM ET
What qualifies me? Nothing. I have an opinion, that's about it. I watch around 70+ live OHL games a year, working a part time job as a scout for a Draft Guide, as well as 40+ WHL games, 30+ QMJHL, 20+ NCAA, 20+USHL and multiple European games via streams/video.

Again, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong, and have been. Scouting is one of the only jobs where you can be wrong more than 50% and still have a job.



I thingy so, but that's just my opinion. Dion is my favorite current NHL'er.



Well thank you, lol.

- Brian Huddle



Hey thank-you for answering. I think you are quite qualified if you view that many live games, plus do all the analysis and evaluation that goes with being a paid scout. That s really cool man. I kinda like this Dumba guy. In your opinion, is anyone else in the draft in Yakupov's league?
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