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Domaju
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Timmins, ON
Joined: 06.26.2008

Jun 20 @ 4:22 PM ET
Alright guys from source: Brian Burke has a list of 4

1. Forsberg
2. Reinhart
3. Rielly
4. Faksa

He really likes this Forsberg kid, as it's been said compared to a Corey Perry type player, who wouldn't like him?

- IGNITE


Who is this said "source"?
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:23 PM ET
I don;t think that proves or disproves anything. Drew Doughty stepped up, so did Quick. Niether of them happens to be the captain, but what of it? I don't see the connection. Maybe i'm missing something, I don't wanna get banned again, but I disagree with you strenuously.
- Jimmy_T


hiockey clubs have been structured with a captain and his alternates for decades now

the game has nuance's that revolve around it.. they are minor, but they are there

not everything needs a logical reason behind it.. its a combo of minor rules, defining team leaders and giving them the backing of management (ie: dispute in the room? how often does the captain deal with those? the answer.. frequentley) and its a part of the game many people just like to have

but for management to come out and say to the rest of the team "this guy is your leader" its ... well... important.. it sets the heirachy in the room.. its not for us as fans

and side note.... i would never ban you for disagreeing with me.. i am not an ass that way.. but people who disprespect other posters or the bloggers themselves usually get a break lol
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:25 PM ET
that's one of the biggest things. It helps to prevent the whole line from bombarding the refs after the whistle. It's easier to explain it to 1 or 2 players instead of 5.
- Domaju


yeah there are actual rules in the game that revolve around it.. which takes it to another level other than preferences
Brian Huddle
Location: Cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.10.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
Hey thank-you for answering. I think you are quite qualified if you view that many live games, plus do all the analysis and evaluation that goes with being a paid scout. That s really cool man. I kinda like this Dumba guy. In your opinion, is anyone else in the draft in Yakupov's league?
- Jimmy_T


I have a Top 80 list available: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=44752

I have Galchenyuk as 1. I think skill wise they're similar, while Yakupov is a bit faster, and has a better shot. I think Yakupov is better right now, but long term I think Galchenyuk holds more value as a natural center with PPG upside than Yakupov as a PPG winger.

Beyond that, Grigorenko is in the conversation skill wise, but he's so boom/bust, it's hard to really trust him.
Domaju
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Timmins, ON
Joined: 06.26.2008

Jun 20 @ 4:27 PM ET
hiockey clubs have been structured with a captain and his alternates for decades now

the game has nuance's that revolve around it.. they are minor, but they are there

not everything needs a logical reason behind it.. its a combo of minor rules, defining team leaders and giving them the backing of management (ie: dispute in the room? how often does the captain deal with those? the answer.. frequentley) and its a part of the game many people just like to have

but for management to come out and say to the rest of the team "this guy is your leader" its ... well... important.. it sets the heirachy in the room.. its not for us as fans

and side note.... i would never ban you for disagreeing with me.. i am not an ass that way.. but people who disprespect other posters or the bloggers themselves usually get a break lol

- Dozzer



It also gives the room a voice. If the team collectively has a problem, it's more economical for the captain to approach a GM or coach as a representative of the team as a whole. It would be a disaster if the whole team showed up at the GM's office with an issue.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:28 PM ET
It also gives the room a voice. If the team collectively has a problem, it's more economical for the captain to approach a GM or coach as a representative of the team as a whole. It would be a disaster if the whole team showed up at the GM's office with an issue.
- Domaju


yes, and some clubs operate that way i believe.
Brian Huddle
Location: Cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.10.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:32 PM ET
yes, and some clubs operate that way i believe.
- Dozzer


Somethign Mats was criticized for, was not being more vocal with Quinn and the others in management about the need for upgrades on the roster.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 20 @ 4:34 PM ET
Somethign Mats was criticized for, was not being more vocal with Quinn and the others in management about the need for upgrades on the roster.
- Brian Huddle


yes i remember that..

mats was a little too passive to be a great captain.. he was a good one.. but he lead a little too much by example imo

wendel and dougie would of never put up with half the poop mats did

so in a way.. i like phaneuf as the captain.. he's got some things to learn yet.. but his in your face demanding nature might actually be a nice fit in toronto in time.. thing is.. he needs to lead this team to something, anything, before toronto really begins to love him
Domaju
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Timmins, ON
Joined: 06.26.2008

Jun 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
yes, and some clubs operate that way i believe.
- Dozzer


There's a lot of nuances like you said that the public doesn't see. It's a lot less to do with on ice product and more about the behind the scenes stuff. That being said, on ice performance is a big part. If it was ONLY behind the scenes stuff, then Komisarek would be the best choice for Captain lmao
Jimmy_T
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.03.2012

Jun 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
hiockey clubs have been structured with a captain and his alternates for decades now

the game has nuance's that revolve around it.. they are minor, but they are there

not everything needs a logical reason behind it.. its a combo of minor rules, defining team leaders and giving them the backing of management (ie: dispute in the room? how often does the captain deal with those? the answer.. frequentley) and its a part of the game many people just like to have

but for management to come out and say to the rest of the team "this guy is your leader" its ... well... important.. it sets the heirachy in the room.. its not for us as fans

and side note.... i would never ban you for disagreeing with me.. i am not an ass that way.. but people who disprespect other posters or the bloggers themselves usually get a break lol

- Dozzer



I dont really disagree with you . I never said a captain does nothing, I said I dont care about the captain and that it doesnt really make that much of a difference. My biggest thing is that I just don't care who is captain because I have no way of knowing who is a good or bad teammate or captain. Therefore, I just think its kinda dumb when people are like
"Phanuefs a bad captain yadda ya....." Cause they don't know.
billyberg10
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: HEAVEN
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jun 20 @ 4:42 PM ET
Really hope to see some trades and a few surprises this weekend...much like trade deadline day, soooo much hype, so little return
pker2theend
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pamela Anderson Lee released a
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jun 20 @ 5:21 PM ET
Really hope to see some trades and a few surprises this weekend...much like trade deadline day, soooo much hype, so little return
- billyberg10

My grace.
FlareKnight
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 20 @ 5:57 PM ET
yes i remember that..

mats was a little too passive to be a great captain.. he was a good one.. but he lead a little too much by example imo

wendel and dougie would of never put up with half the poop mats did

so in a way.. i like phaneuf as the captain.. he's got some things to learn yet.. but his in your face demanding nature might actually be a nice fit in toronto in time.. thing is.. he needs to lead this team to something, anything, before toronto really begins to love him

- Dozzer

I'm not sure about that. If the management didn't know they needed some upgrades then I really doubt Mats saying things would have mattered since clearly they would have been too stupid to understand the complaint.

I think leading by example is a whole lot better than just being vocal. People can tune out what someone is saying, but harder to close their eyes and ignore what is being done on the ice. Sundin did his job as a player and a Captain.

In the end I don't think there is only one good approach. Being aggressive might work well, but I think being stable and able to endure the insanity works fine too. Leadership is an interesting thing. Do agree though that for Phaneuf to really be accepted he's got to lead the team somewhere...that isn't the bottom of the standings.
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