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JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:05 PM ET
If the Queen had balls, she'd be King
- Phifly10

wow did you have to google that?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:05 PM ET
I don't think anyone forgets how good of a player Lindros was in his prime.
- funmaster18

bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:06 PM ET
Schenn, Read, and Bourdon for Ryan? I wouldn't pay that steep a price.
- PLindbergh31

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here is your Vince McMahon gif now stomp away bro
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 20 @ 2:07 PM ET
Really when their contracts are up they won't be due for raises that if the Flyers take on a contract like Nash's they might not be able to handout said raises to all or some of those players?
- JoeRussomanno


Isn't that a problem numerous teams come up against if they draft well/make good trades? (ie. Blackhawks a couple years ago or Pittsburgh this year with Staal)? I think that's a "problem" you deal with when the time comes. Keep your best guys and move what you have to for good assets.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:07 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God

If he actually won a cup he'd probably be the most beloved player in Philly sports I have no doubt about that.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 20 @ 2:08 PM ET

- bigmookalookie[/URL]
here is your Vince McMahon gif now stomp away bro


Mr. McMahon is lacking swag. No self confidence at all.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:08 PM ET
Isn't that a problem numerous teams come up against if they draft well/make good trades? (ie. Blackhawks a couple years ago or Pittsburgh this year with Staal)? I think that's a "problem" you deal with when the time comes. Keep your best guys and move what you have to for good assets.
- eayost

That's fine but in the case of Nash how is adding to an abundance fixing a weakness? This is like telling a friend not to put 5k dollar rims on his 2k dollar car when he needs to get a bigger house for his family.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:08 PM ET
Mr. McMahon is lacking swag. No self confidence at all.
- PLindbergh31

What's with the hyperlinks??
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jun 20 @ 2:09 PM ET
Schenn, Read, and Bourdon for Ryan? I wouldn't pay that steep a price.
- PLindbergh31


Bourdon is a 5-6 D man. Read could easily take a step back next season. Schenn is a gamer for sure, but you gotta give to get. I'd have no problem making that deal IF I knew that JVR was going to be healthy the entire season.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 20 @ 2:10 PM ET
What's with the hyperlinks??
- Giroux_Is_God


No clue. Responded to the message, and that is what happened.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:11 PM ET

- PLindbergh31

what can you say, Vinne Mac is "All Class"

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bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:12 PM ET
No clue. Responded to the message, and that is what happened.
- PLindbergh31

If you dont support hyperlinks the terrorists win @_@
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 20 @ 2:12 PM ET
Bourdon is a 5-6 D man. Read could easily take a step back next season. Schenn is a gamer for sure, but you gotta give to get. I'd have no problem making that deal IF I knew that JVR was going to be healthy the entire season.
- rockychocbill


Even if Read takes a step back, he's a cap friendly 2-way forward that can chip in at least 15-20 goals. Schenn if healthy is going to score 20 this year, and Bourdon can develop into a solid third pairing guy. I wouldn't make that deal for Ryan. Ryan is a very good player, but he's streaky.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:12 PM ET
That's fine but in the case of Nash how is adding to an abundance fixing a weakness? This is like telling a friend not to put 5k dollar rims on his 2k dollar car when he needs to get a bigger house for his family.
- JoeRussomanno

you know it happens tho
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 20 @ 2:15 PM ET
what can you say, Vinne Mac is "All Class"


- bigmookalookie[/URL]

eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 20 @ 2:15 PM ET
That's fine but in the case of Nash how is adding to an abundance fixing a weakness? This is like telling a friend not to put 5k dollar rims on his 2k dollar car when he needs to get a bigger house for his family.
- JoeRussomanno


I agree for the most part about Nash. I was just making the point that being potentially unable to give out raises in a couple years to players who hypothetically may earn those raises isn't a good enough reason to not land a big contract via trade that helps your team.
Phifly10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wallingford, PA
Joined: 11.26.2010

Jun 20 @ 2:15 PM ET
wow did you have to google that?
- JoeRussomanno


Call it personal research
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:17 PM ET
Even if Read takes a step back, he's a cap friendly 2-way forward that can chip in at least 15-20 goals. Schenn if healthy is going to score 20 this year, and Bourdon can develop into a solid third pairing guy. I wouldn't make that deal for Ryan. Ryan is a very good player, but he's streaky.
- PLindbergh31

The biggest thing, I think anyway, is that the Flyers brass wants to pair Giroux with a "Stud" and thats why I think they are trying to go after Nash and maybe even Ryan. Thia is all according to the trade speculation.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:18 PM ET
[quote=PLindbergh31]
I hope that had enough "swag" for ya.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 20 @ 2:19 PM ET
The biggest thing, I think anyway, is that the Flyers brass wants to pair Giroux with a "Stud" and thats why I think they are trying to go after Nash and maybe even Ryan. Thia is all according to the trade speculation.
- bigmookalookie


I hear you Mook. Don't you think it's time for JVR to step up and become that perennial 30 goal scorer power forward?
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:19 PM ET
The biggest thing, I think anyway, is that the Flyers brass wants to pair Giroux with a "Stud" and thats why I think they are trying to go after Nash and maybe even Ryan. Thia is all according to the trade speculation.
- bigmookalookie



i can see that...instead of going through growing pains with your full roster at least you have a solid first line...
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:19 PM ET
If the Queen had balls, she'd be King
- Phifly10

some queens do have balls
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:20 PM ET
I hear you Mook. Don't you think it's time for JVR to step up and become that perennial 30 goal scorer power forward?
- PLindbergh31



who is this JVR person you speak of?
was he on the roster last year?
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jun 20 @ 2:20 PM ET
some queens do have balls
- vejim



bada bing
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 20 @ 2:20 PM ET
I agree for the most part about Nash. I was just making the point that being potentially unable to give out raises in a couple years to players who hypothetically may earn those raises isn't a good enough reason to not land a big contract via trade that helps your team.
- eayost

it's not really helping the team if you add Nash. You have to deplete the depth you have which is a strength. Then you're doing nothing and I mean NOTHING towards improving the team's defensive chemistry furthermore your adding a goal-scorer when scoring goals isn't a problem for it. The Flyers need to add a defenseman, they need a puck mover who can breakout against an aggressive forecheck and get pucks on net from the point. Not just do it but do it really well. Add nash and get used to being bounced out by teams like NJ and Boston, then in a few years get ready for two years of being the north atlantic version of Tampa.

Right now the Flyers are in a position to do what the Kings did this year, add a piece at the deadline if need be or when the opportunity is right i.e inexpensively.
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