Is Matt Moulson a superstar?
- Pecafan Fan

well, he gets extra credit for the FUBAR hair!




but ya excellent point

I gotta agree with gravy here - superstar isn't just about stats, it's personality too. Ovechkin's a superstar. Kessel is not. Star for sure and elite talent, but the tag just doesn't fit.

Mike Gartner is 6th all-time for goals with 708, and I wouldn't call him a superstar. Cicerelli's another - 60+ and not in hall of fame - why? not a superstar.
- Big_Lightnin

While I do agree Kessel is not a superstar.....I completely disagree with being a superstar has to do with personality too. Whether you're quiet, a jerk, obnoxious, reserved, or a loadmouth...it doesn't matter.
If you are elite talent on consistent basis, you are a superstar......Kessel isn't there right now.

Wait, so 3 years in a row, he scores 30+ goals (36 last season), he's not a superstar, but Kessel is?

interesting...

Edit: If Kessel was still in Boston, you'd say he's nothing more than a 30-35 goals guy.
- Pecafan Fan

Who does Moulson play with on his line??

If Kessel was in Boston scoring 30-35 and drawing the number one defenseman to cover him, I'd say the same thing as he is a Leaf.

No.

I'm just saying, 37 goals isn't elite.


Is Matt Moulson a superstar?
- Pecafan Fan

keep in mind Kessel is still young....but either way, moot conversation really.

Wait, so 3 years in a row, he scores 30+ goals (36 last season), he's not a superstar, but Kessel is?

interesting...

Edit: If Kessel was still in Boston, you'd say he's nothing more than a 30-35 goals guy.
- Pecafan Fan

No if Kessel was still in Boston, The Boston fans would be sucking his 1 nut and calling him Elite, But Because he plays for the Leafs its the opposite.

Oh and I don't think hes Elite, In My eyes an elite player can put a team on there back and say I got this tonight and single handedly wins the game for the team. Kessel definetly is not that type of player.

Who does Moulson play with on his line??

If Kessel was in Boston scoring 30-35 and drawing the number one defenseman to cover him, I'd say the same thing as he is a Leaf.
- faceto27

Yes, of course.

Wait, so 3 years in a row, he scores 30+ goals (36 last season), he's not a superstar, but Kessel is?

interesting...

Edit: If Kessel was still in Boston, you'd say he's nothing more than a 30-35 goals guy.
- Pecafan Fan

Ya but kessel cost two 1st and 2nd.....the other guy hasn't yet.
LOL

I already saw that done with Cu nt.

using a 1 or a ! is just a habit now, like typing the work fcuk.
- GoneFullRetard

hahaha man i am just f'n with ya.. i knew you are one of the guys who would laugh it off and not get all uppity lol

Never gonna win a lady byng, though.


The obvious difference between Kessel's goalscoring and Hartnell's is that you know Kessel can put up 30+ goals consistently, regardless of who he plays with... Hartnell is really inconsistant in his production.
- Schenn-Sational!

but Hartnell has value when he's not scoring. Kessel doesn't.

While I do agree Kessel is not a superstar.....I completely disagree with being a superstar has to do with personality too. Whether you're quiet, a jerk, obnoxious, reserved, or a loadmouth...it doesn't matter.
If you are elite talent on consistent basis, you are a superstar......Kessel isn't there right now.
- Fakepartofme

soo, you consiger, Gartner, Cicarelli, Recchi, Tkatchuk superstars? all had over 500 goals.

I don't.

Maybe personality is a bad choice, but for me superstar requires star quality as well as elite skill.

Toews - not Ovechkin-like personality, but most would classify him a superstar...

though this is all semantics anyway.

fully agree Kessel isn't anything other than "star" until he at least is a perennial PPG player. Doing it once isn't enough.

but Hartnell has value when he's not scoring. Kessel doesn't.
- DoubleDown

Ask yourself a question.

Would Philly trade Hartnell straight up for Kessel??

If you don't answer the obvious then don't bother responding

but Hartnell has value when he's not scoring. Kessel doesn't.
- DoubleDown

really, his more assists than goals says different

Ya but kessel cost two 1st and 2nd.....the other guy hasn't yet.
LOL
- Fakepartofme

You got me.

Who cares if he's a superstars (for the record I don't think he is), he's young, has amazings talents , has been improving every year and is signed at just over 5mil.. sounds like a player most teams would like to have on the top line.
- Maddox2107

it's something NEW to talk about

it's something NEW to talk about


- Big_Lightnin

ok then..

pretty sure every other topic has been drag out ...... hoping to see something happen today.

kessel: more offensively gifted, faster

hartnell: more balanced game

both are stars, neither are superstars

soo, you consiger, Gartner, Cicarelli, Recchi, Tkatchuk superstars? all had over 500 goals.

I don't.

Maybe personality is a bad choice, but for me superstar requires star quality as well as elite skill.

Toews - not Ovechkin-like personality, but most would classify him a superstar...

though this is all semantics anyway.

fully agree Kessel isn't anything other than "star" until he at least is a perennial PPG player. Doing it once isn't enough.
- Big_Lightnin

Ummm yes and no...I'm on the fence about some of them.... But I do see your point.

kessel: more offensively gifted, faster

hartnell: more balanced game

both are stars, neither are superstars
- Dozzer

Who asked for your opinion?

Wait, so 3 years in a row, he scores 30+ goals (36 last season), he's not a superstar, but Kessel is?

interesting...

Edit: If Kessel was still in Boston, you'd say he's nothing more than a 30-35 goals guy.
- Pecafan Fan

I'd give Moulson the upper hand. Kessel's had the benefit of Bozak feeding him the puck, whereas Moulson's had to play with slugs like Tavares.

Who asked for your opinion?
- faceto27

no one, thats why i didnt quote anybody

I'd give Moulson the upper hand. Kessel's had the benefit of Bozak feeding him the puck, whereas Moulson's had to play with slugs like Tavares.
- p_zub

5 words in I was like "who is this idiot..."

I'd give Moulson the upper hand. Kessel's had the benefit of Bozak feeding him the puck, whereas Moulson's had to play with slugs like Tavares.
- p_zub

case closed

Ah yes... the "Is kessel a superstar" debate

I fall on the side of ... Who gives a F*

Can we just trade him so we can move on and never talk about him again

Burke... why did you do this to us??

I'd give Moulson the upper hand. Kessel's had the benefit of Bozak feeding him the puck, whereas Moulson's had to play with slugs like Tavares.
- p_zub

I bet Kessel would score at LEAST 80 goals playing with Tavares.

I'd give Moulson the upper hand. Kessel's had the benefit of Bozak feeding him the puck, whereas Moulson's had to play with slugs like Tavares.
- p_zub

not to mention moulson is 29

he's been around longer.. kessel hasnt reached his prime years yet.. i'd say he's just hitting them now as he is getting into his mid twenties