I'd say the reason we need a #1 centre right now is not necessarily to increase Kessel's production, he's been doing that on his own. What we need is more balance across our top line to keep the other team's defenders honest when defending Kessel.
- p_zub

size up front

with carlyle's system of play the leafs will have a very hard time scoring if they dont get the bodies to do it, from what i understand, carlyle likes a very agressive and physical attack.. he simply doesnt have the personel to implement that right now

there is quite simply no point

luongo MIGHT get you into the playoffs (the team still has to score and play well in front of him) but there is no guarantees

luongo is not the right fit for this team right now... stick to the youth movement.. ever since burke started the rebuild NONE of the veteran guys brought in have worked out

komi? no
connolly? no
armstrong? no
lombardi? no
beauchemin? other than the trade, no.
orr? no
primeau? no

i dont about you guys but i am seeing a pattern here.
- Dozzer

Eventually young guys need to start to learn how to win, having a solid No.1 tender in net will go a long way to helping the team win games.

schneider has been qualified.. just a few days ago

and Mike Liut wouldnt go around saying crap like that before negotiations started

the toronto media are full of poop
- Dozzer

I posted a quote from Liut last week which said (summarized) ...they might have to play together next year b/c Cory is an RFA and the 'Nucks have some control ....but if he were a UFA their would be no chance that Cory would sign if Lou was still there.

It's a message to the 'Nucks ....no long term deals until Lou is moved.

So the big question for the 'Nucks is when is the best time to move Lou ....now? or next year (presumably after playing back up to CS all season)?

Personally, i have to believe his value is higher now.

sexist.
- noename09

True

Scenario A:
Assuming Murray is Edm's target, the only way that happens with the Leafs is if Toronto can swap picks with the Islanders and then trade 1st and 4th picks so the Oilers could have a solid shot at Murray before the Islanders do. That said, the Islanders would likely recognize this on just not make the trade.

Scenario B:
Other rumors out there suggest that the Oilers are high on Reinhart AND have an interest in Franson. If this is the case, then I believe the Leafs and Oilers could make a trade directly for the 1st and 5th picks.

To Oilers: 5th overall + Franson + MacArthur? (Possibly need to improve on MacArthur or add)

To Leafs: 1st overall
- As_I_See_It

If scenario B played out, I'd hope that Burke would then flip the 1st to Clb for the 2nd and pick up an extra pick from them, then grab Galy

size up front

with carlyle's system of play the leafs will have a very hard time scoring if they dont get the bodies to do it, from what i understand, carlyle likes a very agressive and physical attack.. he simply doesnt have the personel to implement that right now
- Dozzer

there is quite simply no point

luongo MIGHT get you into the playoffs (the team still has to score and play well in front of him) but there is no guarantees

luongo is not the right fit for this team right now... stick to the youth movement.. ever since burke started the rebuild NONE of the veteran guys brought in have worked out

komi? no
connolly? no
armstrong? no
lombardi? no
beauchemin? other than the trade, no.
orr? no
primeau? no

i dont about you guys but i am seeing a pattern here.
- Dozzer

Yep ,the media circus that follows the Leafs around needs to be blunted .That way they can focus on drafting and development, away from prying eyes and unrealistic fan expectations driven by said circus

I still think its crazy for the Nucks to rely so much on this guy....hes never once played a full season in the NHL....total of 68games experience....a guy who could be moved for some good assets to improve their roster.

Im willing to bet that if they move Lu and keep Schneider, they fail again because goaltending isnt their primary focus, also cause Schneider wont be able to get them the cup in his first/second full NHL season.


- noename09

Cam Ward?

seriously though, Schnieder's been brought along the right way. He has a ton of AHL experience, including over 30 playoff games. He's had some NHL playoff experience (and been excellent). and "only 68 games is a lot when you are talking about Luongo's backup. They know what they have, and he's ready.

I'd say the reason we need a #1 centre right now is not necessarily to increase Kessel's production, he's been doing that on his own. What we need is more balance across our top line to keep the other team's defenders honest when defending Kessel.
- p_zub

I'd say production in general isnt the problem. Its the blue line and back.

Leafs were 10th for Goals For. Its keeping the puck out of the net that is the problem.

there is quite simply no point

luongo MIGHT get you into the playoffs (the team still has to score and play well in front of him) but there is no guarantees

luongo is not the right fit for this team right now... stick to the youth movement.. ever since burke started the rebuild NONE of the veteran guys brought in have worked out

komi? no
connolly? no
armstrong? no
lombardi? no
beauchemin? other than the trade, no.
orr? no
primeau? no

i dont about you guys but i am seeing a pattern here.
- Dozzer

lol, fair point...but not accurate. All those guys were brought in (aside from Komi) at the tail end of their career, not playing great. Luongo is still playing great and arguably has years left...so...similar but different.

if burke sends either gardiner or schenn for luongo he should be fired.. immediatley
- Dozzer

If Burke send anything close to that back ...
It will be the last day that I will ever be a Leaf Fan

*puts autographed picture of 1967 Leafs and Leather Parade Jacket on ebay

there is quite simply no point

luongo MIGHT get you into the playoffs (the team still has to score and play well in front of him) but there is no guarantees

luongo is not the right fit for this team right now... stick to the youth movement.. ever since burke started the rebuild NONE of the veteran guys brought in have worked out

komi? no
connolly? no
armstrong? no
lombardi? no
beauchemin? other than the trade, no.
orr? no
primeau? no

i dont about you guys but i am seeing a pattern here.
- Dozzer

Dozzer, please don't ban me.........

If you are implying that the Leafs go into the season with Remier and Scrivens then are you are (frank)ING CRAZY

Eventually young guys need to start to learn how to win, having a solid No.1 tender in net will go a long way to helping the team win games.
- Oilhab

I gotta say that none of those guys are of the same caliber. Luongo is worth MUCH more to the team then those neanderthals.

However, I agree with Doz. We should keep up the youth movement. At least for this year.

I posted a quote from Liut last week which said (summarized) ...they might have to play together next year b/c Cory is an RFA and the 'Nucks have some control ....but if he were a UFA their would be no chance that Cory would sign if Lou was still there.

It's a message to the 'Nucks ....no long term deals until Lou is moved.

So the big question for the 'Nucks is when is the best time to move Lou ....now? or next year (presumably after playing back up to CS all season)?

Personally, i have to believe his value is higher now.
- The Law

sorry, i just disagree here.. injuries, and poor years will up the price for him

simple equation.. the more teams interested the higher the price

and the backup stuff? i dont buy it.. there are 30 gms in the league that know precisely what luongo brings to the table

I'd say production in general isnt the problem. Its the blue line and back.

Leafs were 10th for Goals For. Its keeping the puck out of the net that is the problem.
- markmark

That will probably be reversed with Carlyle. Ron Wilson and Carlyle are polar opposites when it comes to coaching style.

YESSIR Ive been saying the same for awhile, we dont need another big scorer for our first line....we need a gritty defensive minded guy. Id pay premium for Staal right now while hes still young and relatively unproven as a force in the NHL so far. Hes almost there. so nab him before he takes off.
- noename09

that said, the roomored offer from Carolina is WAY more than I would want to pay. Nevermind having to BEAT that offer...

Cam Ward?

seriously though, Schnieder's been brought along the right way. He has a ton of AHL experience, including over 30 playoff games. He's had some NHL playoff experience (and been excellent). and "only 68 games is a lot when you are talking about Luongo's backup. They know what they have, and he's ready.
- Big_Lightnin

I hope, for their case, youre right....I personally doubt Schneider will be able to do it on his own. Luongo is a better goalie, imo, and if they dont improve their roster in a few areas, Schneider will have the same problems as Luongo did.

lol, fair point...but not accurate. All those guys were brought in (aside from Komi) at the tail end of their career, not playing great. Luongo is still playing great and arguably has years left...so...similar but different.
- noename09

dude.. luongo is 33.. he's on the downside

Dozzer, please don't ban me.........

If you are implying that the Leafs go into the season with Remier and Scrivens then are you are (frank)ING CRAZY
- faceto27

Macinnon ,Jones are pretty nice pieces to have and the leafs would probably be in the running .Sorry to say

If Burke send anything close to that back ...
It will be the last day that I will ever be a Leaf Fan

*puts autographed picture of 1967 Leafs and Leather Parade Jacket on ebay
- .HOHO.

no no.. dont give up on the franchise.. just grab a pitchfork and join my march on the ACC

Dozzer, please don't ban me.........

If you are implying that the Leafs go into the season with Remier and Scrivens then are you are (frank)ING CRAZY
- faceto27

They play well. Shot at the playoffs. They play poorly, we pick up another top pick.

Besides, Scrivens has earned a true shot.

Luongo = Vernon Wells

You do realise that Kessel is probably going to end up with a 500 goal scoring career

If you classify that as a star over superstar, well thats your opinion then.

I disagree
- faceto27

But he hasn't done much yet except score 30 goals regularly (which is why I'm saying he's a star). He's missing the intangibles, "complete player", "proven winner", leader, etc. to be a superstar at this point and hasn't put up Stamkos numbers yet either.

I'm not saying he will never be a superstar, but not yet anyways.

Cam Ward?

seriously though, Schnieder's been brought along the right way. He has a ton of AHL experience, including over 30 playoff games. He's had some NHL playoff experience (and been excellent). and "only 68 games is a lot when you are talking about Luongo's backup. They know what they have, and he's ready.
- Big_Lightnin

8 NHL playoff games total experience. 68 NHL regular season total experience. Not something I would say, plenty of experience to lead them to the cup....my opinion.

I'd say production in general isnt the problem. Its the blue line and back.

Leafs were 10th for Goals For. Its keeping the puck out of the net that is the problem.
- markmark

I don't see them producing like that anymore under Carlyles system.